There are many black metal bands that have lyrics that aren't about satan. Summoning, for example.

..Except that Summoning haven't been black metal since Lugburz. Could you have possibly thought of a worse example?

Alcest.

Alcest is indeed the worst example.

What?

And Lugburz doesn't have Satanic lyrics anyway, so it is a valid example at any rate.


So what? They can still branch out into other areas.

Blut Aus Nord is not Satanic and they are clearly black metal. From the song-titles I can assume they are about Nordic mythology, and the occasional weird-ass transcendence and transmogrification.

..all I was saying is that Summoning are a bad example of a black metal band. Is that so wrong?

Not so wrong, but the example wasn't that bad, either...

Okay, a really good example: Enslaved's debut.

Fine. How about this.

Immortal

Even IMMORTAL often said they weren't doing Black Metal. I'm sorry I can't find the interviews anymore, but i'm gonna search.

I havent heard summoning, but Im sure they have at least some themes that are dark in nature. Thats what I meant.

You dont get bands called Happytown playign Black metal. They always have scary, satanic sounding names like Immortal, Summoning, Belphegor, etc.

I had Jehova's Witness' come to my house a few months ago and pose pretty much this exact problem to me. Edna (my mom's friend, but that has nothing to do with her being a JW) asked me what I thought God thought about movies like Hellboy, and rock and roll music (she's pretty old), I didn't know because frankly, I've never read the bible.

Well, she opened up with, "God detests it" and then she showed me some line from Deuteronomy explaining that it meant that God hated depictions of hell and demons in movies and music.

I retorted with "I think God doesn't care what we watch or listen to, I think he cares about people who can't make the distinction between fact and fiction. Between fantasy and reality. These people are the ones we must watch out for, not the media itself."

She then spattered out several lines from the book which I guess proved me wrong although I had already stopped paying attention.

Who agrees with me? The media matters little, its the people who take it literally instead of as entertainment that are a greater danger to whatever religion you adhere to.

Y'know, I'm really happy I very rarely come across proselytes. The only I've noticed are the odd oldie preachers with banners and Hare Krsnas in some city centres (like Edinburgh), but then that's not too common either. There were these suited American JWs trying to convert people on this street in this student neighbourhood when I lived in Leeds, but as far as I saw they were just ignored or outwitted. In fact, one guy got so affected by a pedestrian's counter-argument, he had to go back to the US to be reindoctrinated.

Strangely I've experienced more preaching from secular humanists than religious types. In Leeds for example, it's not too odd to hear/read slogans around the student strongholds such as "you worship a homeless man on a Sunday but ignore one on a Monday" and to see people handing out the latest issue of Socialist Worker.

I agree utterly.
The God I believe in certainly doesnt care.
I do however, draw the line at blatently antichristian music. Theres a big difference between movies like "Little Niki" or "Hellboy" and things like Havohej's "God Dethroned" album, which I deleted after I heard the first song "I vomit on God's Child!" I dont need to ehar that.
Beyond that, I respect the rights of the band to make that music and the rights of people to listen to it. Im not telling others not to listen to it. But im not going to.

Fine. I give up trying to give good black metal examples.

Also, another thought. I seem to see that many satanic bands are very disrespectful to Christians and have song titles like "Fuck your God" and "Kill the Christian" and that just turns me off. I can't believe Glen Benton is that religiously intolerant and immature that he pretty much always writes lyrics that are being rude to Christians. And he branded an inverted cross into his forehead several times. That's just ridiculous. I don't understand how someone can always live with that much hate. Why would somebody want to live their life hating? And why? What is their to hate about God? If someone agrees with Glen Benton's lyrics I would like to hear why. But what I was getting too is that you don't see a lot of Christian metal bands saying "Fuck Satan" (at least not directly). So while atheists and satanists make fun of Christians a lot, I don't see Christians making fun of atheists and satanists a lot. It shows how most of the time Christians are actually very mature people that tend to be very religiously tolerant. Instead of disrespecting Satan, many Christians instead choose to just praise God. Of course I know some people will think, "It's metal, it doesn't have to be respectful ". Sorry, but I think it just shows how immature you are if you are that religiously intolerant.

Why exactly do you think that religion is deserving of tolerance? It is at the root of many conflicts in the past and present. There are plenty of bands that directly attack satan directly, one example being Horde. Though unlike you I don't take this personaly, I'll tolerate it as it doesn't really affect me. I won't come on here complaining how intolerant and immature Horde are, instead I will just ignore them.

Haha I don't wanna be rude, but just watch the news and tell me how much Israel is tolerant nowadays...And that's just an exemple between others, I don't feel like i've to be tolerant with religions, or anyone in fact. I decide who deserve to be respected, as I think they've the right to not respect me...Who cares.

As long as people disagree there will be conflict.
Eliminating religion wont eliminate wars. Human nature causes war. And religion, of course, is another facet of human nature.