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Dechripastocide
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:03 pm 
 

BardInTheForest wrote:
Agencies such as the FDA, etc. don't really wield a ton of power yet are, or should be, effective in acting in the best interest and safety of the country as a whole, which I believe should be the role of the federal government.

From what I understand the FDA holds way too much power over some organic farmers and other holistic foods dealers to the point of almost controlling the market itself. I know it may sound very counter-intuitive, but the recent outbreaks of bacteria and whatever in vegetables were not caused because of a lack of FDA presence.

Would you like to amend your mention of that particular federal administration and replace it with another?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:38 pm 
 

Provide a little more evidence about the organic farmers; not that I don't believe you, but if you're going to bring it up I'd like to know what you're talking about, exactly. Either way, having way too much power over organic farmers is a lot better than having way too much power over the entire general public. That said, I won't argue that it isn't a problem, because every single agency and element of our federal government has plenty of problems.

Also, maybe I didn't state this enough, this is the kind of thing that should ideally be the role of the goverment and should be kept in check.

Whether or not the system right now is perfect isn't what I was going for. The concept of the FDA to keep our food safe and that it was in response to regulate the food industry after everything depicted in Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle" came to light is what I was talking about. I think you'll find that the state of the food industry improved after the FDA was created. Ideally, the FDA should simply keep things in order like it was supposed to do when it was created, not control organic farmers, etc.

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Dechripastocide
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:51 pm 
 

BardInTheForest wrote:
Provide a little more evidence about the organic farmers; not that I don't believe you, but if you're going to bring it up I'd like to know what you're talking about, exactly. Either way, having way too much power over organic farmers is a lot better than having way too much power over the entire general public. That said, I won't argue that it isn't a problem, because every single agency and element of our federal government has plenty of problems.

To be honest I don't really have any evidence because most of that sort of news I hear through the grapevine. What I mentioned probably has more to do with the whole foods stores making medical claims rather than any regulation at the farmers' domain or their relationship with the FDA. The USDA is more responsible for the actual food standards of the business anyway.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:12 pm 
 

There was a book released a couple years ago on this subject called "Natural Cures, They Don't Want You To Know About" by a guy named Kevin Trudeau that goes into the silence/suppression of information regarding the positive aspects of holistic medicine that has been regularly attacked by the FDA, mostly due to it being loaded with people getting paid off by drug companies.

The author has said a few things that are a little controversial, but a lot of the information in the book is fairly accurate.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-The ... 097559950X
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 1:22 am 
 

For the most part I am Libertarian. I believe as long as I am in the privacy of my own home and not hurting anyone else, then the government should just bugger off.

It's not the only philosophy I believe in, just the strongest one.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 11:46 pm 
 

Today I took a "where is youre political stance?"

And I came out as Socio-Libertarian/Authoritarian

Which seems a bit...paradoxical

I have very extreme views in some aspects, but I am a liberal when it comes to *most* social concerns.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:10 pm 
 

I am a libertarian and all I can tell you is that the government should only be present to protect the people. Everyone must have rights and only the middle and lower class people should only be allowed to run our government, not the upper class for personal gain.

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hells_unicorn
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:35 pm 
 

Thorwolf88 wrote:
Today I took a "where is youre political stance?"

And I came out as Socio-Libertarian/Authoritarian

Which seems a bit...paradoxical

I have very extreme views in some aspects, but I am a liberal when it comes to *most* social concerns.


It's a logical paradox, but its also a pretty widely held viewpoint amongst many on the left side of the traditional statist approach (Socialists, Welfare Statists, et cetera). They have an authoritarian viewpoint regarding economics, which is ironic considering how much they pretend to decry using their economics to fund wars yet never seem to really actively oppose candidates in their own political parties who are every bit as warlike as the Bush family.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:06 pm 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
Thorwolf88 wrote:
Today I took a "where is youre political stance?"

And I came out as Socio-Libertarian/Authoritarian

Which seems a bit...paradoxical

I have very extreme views in some aspects, but I am a liberal when it comes to *most* social concerns.


It's a logical paradox, but its also a pretty widely held viewpoint amongst many on the left side of the traditional statist approach (Socialists, Welfare Statists, et cetera). They have an authoritarian viewpoint regarding economics, which is ironic considering how much they pretend to decry using their economics to fund wars yet never seem to really actively oppose candidates in their own political parties who are every bit as warlike as the Bush family.


These statist pacifists fail to realise how war is a natural function of states. Unless there were only one state, or all were totally interdependent (which would eventually culminate in the formation of a single state), there will always be interstate conflict, resulting in war. This is the only way for nations to maintain their geographic monopoly - force. Expecting a peaceful, non-coercive government is, in my humble opinion, absurd madness. So peacenik socialists are basically massive hypocrites incapable of seeing the fallacies and errors that riddle their ideology.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:18 pm 
 

"The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud."
-Ayn Rand


I consider myself to be paleo-conservative/libertarian Third Position populist Objectivist, but

- just having intellectual comprehension of Liberty only goes so far
- one needs the pure strength of will to enact such, and the general lack of courage in the libertarian and Objectivist movement could become a major problem if the police-state is actually being formed

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:16 pm 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
There was a book released a couple years ago on this subject called "Natural Cures, They Don't Want You To Know About" by a guy named Kevin Trudeau that goes into the silence/suppression of information regarding the positive aspects of holistic medicine that has been regularly attacked by the FDA, mostly due to it being loaded with people getting paid off by drug companies.

The author has said a few things that are a little controversial, but a lot of the information in the book is fairly accurate.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-The ... 097559950X


Sorry but that guy is pigshit incarnate, and as Richard Nixon once said "The only thing that smells worse than bullshit is Pigshit". His books are equaled as collections of lies only by the Congressional Record. After that book he wrote another few about how to get out of debt, how to lose weight etc.

Either he's a genius who is in touch with groups of underground experts on, well, everything; or he's a crackpot. Occams Razor chooses door number two. He's a con man preying on the modern distrust of government and corporations.

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hells_unicorn
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:52 pm 
 

Shantideva wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
There was a book released a couple years ago on this subject called "Natural Cures, They Don't Want You To Know About" by a guy named Kevin Trudeau that goes into the silence/suppression of information regarding the positive aspects of holistic medicine that has been regularly attacked by the FDA, mostly due to it being loaded with people getting paid off by drug companies.

The author has said a few things that are a little controversial, but a lot of the information in the book is fairly accurate.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-The ... 097559950X


Sorry but that guy is pigshit incarnate, and as Richard Nixon once said "The only thing that smells worse than bullshit is Pigshit". His books are equaled as collections of lies only by the Congressional Record. After that book he wrote another few about how to get out of debt, how to lose weight etc.

Either he's a genius who is in touch with groups of underground experts on, well, everything; or he's a crackpot. Occams Razor chooses door number two. He's a con man preying on the modern distrust of government and corporations.


Like I said, he's extremely controversial and I recommend that anyone reading this book should use sound judgment and critical thinking when deciding what is true and what is not. Having said that, other than a comparison to a group of obvious liars, you haven't provided a specific example of how his delving into the realm of weight-loss and getting out of debt (the only examples you provided) invalidate some of the points made in his book, particularly about how the FDA gets paid off to not allow certain kinds of information about nutrition out, which would put a big damper on the gravy train going on in the prescription drug racket right now.

Since we're utilizing old philosophical concepts (Occum's Razor was invented as a defense of Christianity of sorts, take from that what you will), I'll simply validate what I said by referring to Aristotle's onus of proof.
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As an anarcho-collectivist I'm what most would call a libertarian Socialist. I'm an anti-statist like most libertarians but I'm against private property.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:46 am 
 

hells_unicorn wrote:
Shantideva wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
There was a book released a couple years ago on this subject called "Natural Cures, They Don't Want You To Know About" by a guy named Kevin Trudeau that goes into the silence/suppression of information regarding the positive aspects of holistic medicine that has been regularly attacked by the FDA, mostly due to it being loaded with people getting paid off by drug companies.

The author has said a few things that are a little controversial, but a lot of the information in the book is fairly accurate.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-The ... 097559950X


Sorry but that guy is pigshit incarnate, and as Richard Nixon once said "The only thing that smells worse than bullshit is Pigshit". His books are equaled as collections of lies only by the Congressional Record. After that book he wrote another few about how to get out of debt, how to lose weight etc.

Either he's a genius who is in touch with groups of underground experts on, well, everything; or he's a crackpot. Occams Razor chooses door number two. He's a con man preying on the modern distrust of government and corporations.


Like I said, he's extremely controversial and I recommend that anyone reading this book should use sound judgment and critical thinking when deciding what is true and what is not. Having said that, other than a comparison to a group of obvious liars, you haven't provided a specific example of how his delving into the realm of weight-loss and getting out of debt (the only examples you provided) invalidate some of the points made in his book, particularly about how the FDA gets paid off to not allow certain kinds of information about nutrition out, which would put a big damper on the gravy train going on in the prescription drug racket right now.

Since we're utilizing old philosophical concepts (Occum's Razor was invented as a defense of Christianity of sorts, take from that what you will), I'll simply validate what I said by referring to Aristotle's onus of proof.


Sorry for being an asshole about it :(
I just have a personal beef with that guy, one of his ilk were at a church function a while ago pitching his yarn to a bunch of old women (Including my gran), some of whom weren't all there if you get my meaning. EDIT: And just to be clear, he was back this year...this time pitching debt relief.

I'm not necessarily saying the FDA isn't wildly corrupt, I'm just saying Trudeau definitely isn't to be trusted. And the reason diving into weight loss and debt relief is relevant is: any one of those books would be a miracle if it worked, would take decades of research, would revolutionize the world. It's not as though the books haven't sold, so it seems like with that many copies abounding across the nation's Wal-Marts and Infomercials we would have heard about at least one case of cancer being cured, or a foreclosure being averted. We might not hear about the weight loss...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:59 am 
 

Mors_Gloria wrote:
As an anarcho-collectivist I'm what most would call a libertarian Socialist. I'm an anti-statist like most libertarians but I'm against private property.


I've always wanted to ask an anarcho-collectivist this question: what would stop people, short of the state, from owning private property?
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hells_unicorn wrote:
There was a book released a couple years ago on this subject called "Natural Cures, They Don't Want You To Know About" by a guy named Kevin Trudeau that goes into the silence/suppression of information regarding the positive aspects of holistic medicine that has been regularly attacked by the FDA, mostly due to it being loaded with people getting paid off by drug companies.

The author has said a few things that are a little controversial, but a lot of the information in the book is fairly accurate.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-The ... 097559950X

Dear Cthulhu, how did I miss this post? That's the single kookiest, most bullshit-filled post you ever disgraced this forum with. Kevin Trudeau is the sheer epitome of fraud (and even did jail time for it), and his book's rate of fallacies, pseudo-science and lies can only be equalled by a creationist. Only the stupidest, most gullible conspiracy theorists with axes to grind against "teh evil pharmas" would take this retardedness seriously. For fuck's sake, we're talking about the douchebag claiming that cancer can be cured by changing the ph of the cancerous cells. :nono:


Kevin Trudeau is only interested in money, nothing else. He knows nothing of health, science, medicine, nutrition; all he knows about is marketing and defrauding people.


You know, doing the most minimal research on the guy and his book would have filled a sensible person with a clue that he's just spouting bullshit...

http://skepdic.com/trudeau.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=1503856
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774
http://consumeraffairs.com/health/trudeau.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01272.html
http://www.infomercialwatch.org/tran/trudeau.shtml
Even the Wikipedia article should have set the alarm bells ringing!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 8:59 am 
 

Reading about this bloke on Wiki and all I can say is what a tool. :lol:

Apparently, genetically modified products cause obesity. Now if you wanted to argue against them because we don't know what their effects are, sure, do so as it's a legitimate argument, but the stuff he claims is completely and utterly retarded.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:53 pm 
 

Shantideva wrote:

Sorry for being an asshole about it :(
I just have a personal beef with that guy, one of his ilk were at a church function a while ago pitching his yarn to a bunch of old women (Including my gran), some of whom weren't all there if you get my meaning. EDIT: And just to be clear, he was back this year...this time pitching debt relief.

I'm not necessarily saying the FDA isn't wildly corrupt, I'm just saying Trudeau definitely isn't to be trusted. And the reason diving into weight loss and debt relief is relevant is: any one of those books would be a miracle if it worked, would take decades of research, would revolutionize the world. It's not as though the books haven't sold, so it seems like with that many copies abounding across the nation's Wal-Marts and Infomercials we would have heard about at least one case of cancer being cured, or a foreclosure being averted. We might not hear about the weight loss...


I wouldn't say you were being an asshole about it, there is a case to be made that Trudeau is a fraud/shill, the only thing I've read by the guy is that book, which I bummed off my brother 2 years ago to kill time. I brought it up because it was a bestseller and more people have likely read it than other stuff. He's basically a guy who uses ridiculousness in order to get attention to little things, basic things that are taken for granted, and I'm all for causing controversy, especially insofar as the MSM is concerned. Most of the news networks critical of him (ABC, Salon.com, et cetera) have their own issues in regards to news manipulation (for example: ABC swept a pretty embarrassing story about hiring and safety practices at Disney World under the rug, likely due to being owned by the same company) so I don't regularly watch or care about what they have to say on a lot of subjects.

The principle validation that I might have for some of his less controversial ideas is basically anecdotal, using my grandmother as an example. She basically spent her whole life as a farmer eating organic food and drinking a half gallon of self-pasteurized milk (it was done at their farm by her, not off in some factory) every day , almost never drank alcohol, and she's in her mid 90s with no osteoporosis or cancer to speak of. I would doubt there is an instant cure for cancer at all, there's only really prevention or that radiology, scorch the entire body shit that my cousin was subjected to before dying of leukemia at age 24. But if there actually was a cure that's been kept quiet, it probably wouldn't surprise me given all of the twisted shit that governments have admittedly engaged in.

You could say that people like Trudeau do play off of my own beef with the medical industry for all but looting my aunt and taking thousands of dollars a year from my mother, giving her an endless barrage of pills that seem to be causing more problems than solving. But on the other hand, they aren't really taking any of my money, other than maybe some money I invested in organic seeds so I can grow my own fruits and vegetables, which amounts to far less than what my mother spends on pill shaped chemistry set cocktails.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:42 pm 
 

Morrigan wrote:
You know, doing the most minimal research on the guy and his book would have filled a sensible person with a clue that he's just spouting bullshit...

You can't really single him out too much - there are many folks out there who have told him these things and he is just running with it. If you actually read the book or listen to the audiobook(which I did via bitorrent), most of the contents are pretty boring and contain no controversy at all. But I can see why someone would get upset over the way it is all presented.

It also tickles me greatly that this issue was the subject of Morrigan's longest post in... months.

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Morrigan's a debunker. When there's bunk to be refuted, she comes around.

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Osmium wrote:
Morrigan's a debunker. When there's bunk to be refuted, she comes around.


She also seems to have a real beef with pseudo-science, or at least it would appear.

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ThrashingMad wrote:
Osmium wrote:
Morrigan's a debunker. When there's bunk to be refuted, she comes around.


She also seems to have a real beef with pseudo-science, or at least it would appear.


Well, she's performing a public good. Whenever such information is seriously entertained by someone, it is a courtesy to dispel such confusion. I also have a beef with pseudo-science, but I'm mostly familiar with creationists and their claims.

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I used to spout hatred for people with jobs, people with property, people with any faith in god or gods. I hated politically active people, I hated homophobes, I hated marriage, I hated the idea of having children, hated the idea of school, hated hunters and guns.

And now I own 5 acres of farmland, am about to graduate with a bachelor's in fine arts, about to have my first child in May, and have begun to hate the idea of having my child talk to a homosexual let alone be near one, and I am now considering owning guns to protect my family and land and most likely will be hunting deer with my wife as soon as we get our licenses.

What happened? I dunno. I'm a walking contradiction.

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Osmium wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
Osmium wrote:
Morrigan's a debunker. When there's bunk to be refuted, she comes around.


She also seems to have a real beef with pseudo-science, or at least it would appear.


Well, she's performing a public good. Whenever such information is seriously entertained by someone, it is a courtesy to dispel such confusion. I also have a beef with pseudo-science, but I'm mostly familiar with creationists and their claims.


Oh yeah, I wasn't saying that like it was a bad thing.

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jeanjacket wrote:
What happened? I dunno. I'm a walking contradiction.
its just called growing up - its realizing that you are the only one who is going to take care of yourself and your family and that you cannot expect a Nanny Government to "bail you out" when you get into shit - the acceptance of personal responsibility is what drives many to libertarianism (that, plus the realization that our guaranteed liberties have been chipped away)

Osmium wrote:
ThrashingMad wrote:
Osmium wrote:
Morrigan's a debunker. When there's bunk to be refuted, she comes around.


She also seems to have a real beef with pseudo-science, or at least it would appear.


Well, she's performing a public good. Whenever such information is seriously entertained by someone, it is a courtesy to dispel such confusion. I also have a beef with pseudo-science, but I'm mostly familiar with creationists and their claims.
if I remember correctly its because she was at once under the impression that people like VonDaniken had credibility, but became upset at the realization that they are charlatans - I cannot blame her for being a crusader for the truth
I think this is the only ground that she and I agree on! (or at least, the only that I have seen since she once called me intellectually dishonest for being rather one-sided in my arguements)

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einvolk wrote:
if I remember correctly its because she was at once under the impression that people like VonDaniken had credibility, but became upset at the realization that they are charlatans - I cannot blame her for being a crusader for the truth
I think this is the only ground that she and I agree on! (or at least, the only that I have seen since she once called me intellectually dishonest for being rather one-sided in my arguements)


Do you mean Erich Von Daniken and the whole "Chariots Of The Gods" thing?
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hells_unicorn wrote:
einvolk wrote:
if I remember correctly its because she was at once under the impression that people like VonDaniken had credibility, but became upset at the realization that they are charlatans - I cannot blame her for being a crusader for the truth
I think this is the only ground that she and I agree on! (or at least, the only that I have seen since she once called me intellectually dishonest for being rather one-sided in my arguements)


Do you mean Erich Von Daniken and the whole "Chariots Of The Gods" thing?
yes, him
great entertainment, and a lot of interesting stuff that does not have a complete explanation - but he took it WAAAYYYY too far

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einvolk wrote:
hells_unicorn wrote:
einvolk wrote:
if I remember correctly its because she was at once under the impression that people like VonDaniken had credibility, but became upset at the realization that they are charlatans - I cannot blame her for being a crusader for the truth
I think this is the only ground that she and I agree on! (or at least, the only that I have seen since she once called me intellectually dishonest for being rather one-sided in my arguements)


Do you mean Erich Von Daniken and the whole "Chariots Of The Gods" thing?
yes, him
great entertainment, and a lot of interesting stuff that does not have a complete explanation - but he took it WAAAYYYY too far


I remember encountering one or two of his books a while back, I can't remember exactly when. I was never very big on the UFO and alien phenomena side of alternative media, though it likely influenced some movies I like. I actually decided to go onto wikipedia for the first time in over a month and look up a few things, he reminds me a little bit of L. Ron Hubbard based on his personal biography.
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Thanks, Osmium. That's pretty much spot-on. Worse, though, is the kind of disinformation spread by the likes of Trudeau since it can directly affect people's health.

Somewhat related: I find it hilarious that some people question sources such as ABCNews, but will accept claims from the likes of a fraud convict like Trudeau or an obvious loon like Alex Jones...

einvolk wrote:
if I remember correctly its because she was at once under the impression that people like VonDaniken had credibility, but became upset at the realization that they are charlatans - I cannot blame her for being a crusader for the truth

More or less. This impression lasted only when I was in high school, and I quickly outgrew it, so it's not a big deal. My "beef" isn't some personal vendetta against evil charlatans who fooled me personally (while I did express some interest in paranormal and ancient astronauts as a teen, I was never personally or financially involved with any of it nor have I ever cared for pseudo-medicine). I do hate disinformation, though, especially when it's as outrageous as what Trudeau gets away with.

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