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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:17 am 
 

I have to agree with fsm, code or no, North by Northwest is probably my least favorite of Hitchcock's films. As he pointed out, it is not very gripping. At any point it doesn't seem like the main character is in any actual danger and considering all the praise it gets, it just didn't match up to all that.

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Zelkiiro wrote:
I'd have to say 1994 was a pretty strong contender, as well. That year gave us The Lion King, The Shawshank Redemption, Forrest Gump, Speed, Dumb & Dumber, Pulp Fiction, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, and Hoop Dreams.


Not to mention the best movie ever made: Clerks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:36 am 
 

PushTheButtonFrank wrote:
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I'd have to say 1994 was a pretty strong contender, as well. That year gave us The Lion King, The Shawshank Redemption, Forrest Gump, Speed, Dumb & Dumber, Pulp Fiction, Wes Craven's New Nightmare, and Hoop Dreams.


Not to mention the best movie ever made: Clerks.

Oh shit, I could've sworn Clerks was 1995, for some reason.

But yeah, Clerks.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:32 am 
 

Trick 'r Treat - I'd say this is better than The ABCs of Death and both V/H/S movies, but that's kind of misleading because it's not really an anthology in the way those are. It's structured more like (and I hate having to make this comparison) Pulp Fiction, with a handful of related stories about crazy shit happening on Halloween in a seemingly normal town. I give this a mild recommendation if you're in the mood for some seasonally appropriate 'fun horror.'
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 am 
 

CLERKS! Such a great movie! I watched that with my parents while my sister was having a girly-sleepover birthday party, and we were all laughing our asses off! I still can't believe that I watched that with my parents, though. It's kind of weird, now that I really think about it.
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Metalhead1995 wrote:
CLERKS! Such a great movie! I watched that with my parents while my sister was having a girly-sleepover birthday party, and we were all laughing our asses off! I still can't believe that I watched that with my parents, though. It's kind of weird, now that I really think about it.

It can't be any weirder than watching American Pie with your dad, or watching Road Trip with your mom.

Shit... maybe that's why I'm fucked up.
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FasterDisaster wrote:

Shit... maybe that's why I'm fucked up.


Hey, that's why we're all here.

I think I watched more "cutting-edge" movies with my dad, which I think is strange, personally, because my mom is the more "cutting-edge" parent. I watched Kill Bill and Scarface with my dad. All I can claim with my mom, is watching a lot of silent movies.
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ChineseDownhill wrote:
Trick 'r Treat - I'd say this is better than The ABCs of Death and both V/H/S movies, but that's kind of misleading because it's not really an anthology in the way those are. It's structured more like (and I hate having to make this comparison) Pulp Fiction, with a handful of related stories about crazy shit happening on Halloween in a seemingly normal town. I give this a mild recommendation if you're in the mood for some seasonally appropriate 'fun horror.'


Yeah, Trick r Treat is awesome, and way better than those movies. The only thing that disappointed me was
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:49 pm 
 

The only thing lame about Trick or Treat is that segment with the old bus driver guy. I dunno, that one never grabbed me. The other segments are kick ass though.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:40 pm 
 

I hated every minute of Trick R Treat. Cool enough premise but the segments were lacklustre not unlike VHS 2 in that respect. I don't get how this film is considered underrated when it's clearly mediocre apart from a cool intro sequence. It's on the same level of Creep Show 2 in being passable but almost all segments are bland and stale, once you get over the blatant twists and/or surprising elements (about 7 years late on that trend TrT) it's a one way to ticket to bored-sville. Both Surprise Party and The School Bus Massacre Revisited were lame as shit, one on the level of a goofy Goosebumps episode and the other comparable to that early Backstreet Boys music video. You're better off watching a Halloween episode of Dawson's Creek.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:12 pm 
 

People actually think Clerks is hilarious? We're talking about the same movie, right? The one with the insufferably whiny and unlikable protagonist who just bitches and complains for an hour or so while three or four funny things happen around him? The one where almost every joke falls flat, the acting is awful, and where the only moments of genuine personality are the little inconsequential bits that clearly weren't meant to be the real jokes (especially since damn near every joke has a three minute run-up to the punchline)?

Clerks II delivers like ten laughs per minute, but the original is just crap. I get what it represented and I get why it's so popular, but for every Olaf the Russian heavy metal singer segment, there are six segments of Randall listing off a bunch of porn movies for about two and a half minutes longer than comically viable.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:20 pm 
 

Clerks isn't laugh out loud funny, but it's very, very good. I only saw it once a few years ago, haven't gotten around to it again yet, but it's one of those movies you just kind of sit and let it roll over you, rather than really looking for each and every joke like a normal movie. It reminded me a lot of Pulp Fiction or something, where it's difficult to explain why it's good. It just is. It is iconoclastic.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:32 pm 
 

Kevin Smith just writes interesting dialogue that manages to carry the movie, even with the less-than-stellar acting and sub-zero production values.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:35 pm 
 

He has a gift for dialogue but I don't think it was fully developed by Clerks, since I like pretty much everything else he's done (granted I haven't seen his latest couple, but you know which ones I'm talking about). None of the conversations were interesting or humorous to me, and only a few of them felt real at all. It's a comedy that isn't funny, that's why I don't like it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:41 pm 
 

No, it doesn't feel remotely real, but it's wonderful nonetheless. It's got sort of an old stage-production vibe to it that really works. I do think it was better developed in later movies but it's still quite enjoyable for me in Clerks.
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iamntbatman wrote:
Kevin Smith just writes interesting dialogue that manages to carry the movie, even with the less-than-stellar acting and sub-zero production values.


I really liked the rawness of it. Lent it a certain honesty and brevity that a lot of his more overblown later stuff missed out on - it was very low key and ended up feeling very cool and personal because of it, like a portrait into his psyche. As much fun as his later works are, I really think it's his masterpiece.
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It's good if you treat it like the amateur piece of cinema that it is. I'm not entirely fond of it but I can't deny it has it's moments, the downside is it takes too long to get to the punchline, whereas something like Pulp Fiction everything is unstable - one second you get someone almost dying of a overdose, another you get two guys chatting about McDonald's and then later a long drawn out rape scene. Basically it's hinged on the suspense of not knowing whereas Clerks is generally about nothing and you never expect anything to eventuate. It wasn't until Mallrats that Kevin Smith actually started making movies and not 'fly-on-the-wall' semi doco/drama/comedies. Another thing I don't like is it's very dated and the black and white picture that was so excessively common in the 90's only increases that fact.

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If you guys actually think Kevin Smith dialog is funny, you've apparently never watched anything British ever.
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I have to agree with darkeningday here. I used to like Smith when I was 15 (pretty much the mental age that KS will remain for the rest of his life) but then I grew up. Mallrats and Chasing Amy are so-so, the rest of his oeuvre goes from laughable (Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back) to just puzzlingly bad (Red State).
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volutetheswarth wrote:
Another thing I don't like is it's very dated and the black and white picture that was so excessively common in the 90's only increases that fact.


Well remember that the black and white in Clerks wasn't a stylistic choice. It was to cut down on the already nearly-nothing budget since color stock would have cost too much.

Also, I liked Red State. It was stinking and stinking until it got to Michael Parks and the church nuts, though.
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darkeningday wrote:
If you guys actually think Kevin Smith dialog is funny, you've apparently never watched anything British ever.


This just in, it's impossible to like both, it has to be one or the other. Thanks for the wisdom there.
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Subrick wrote:
Well remember that the black and white in Clerks wasn't a stylistic choice. It was to cut down on the already nearly-nothing budget since color stock would have cost too much.
I am aware of that, yet it still it doesn't excuse it from being forever tainted. When I watch something like Clerks I think cliche 90's and nothing else but when I watch Following I don't even think about the lack of colour past a minute in. The lack of eventfulness really makes you stop and simply observe the imagery on the surface.

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Empyreal wrote:
darkeningday wrote:
If you guys actually think Kevin Smith dialog is funny, you've apparently never watched anything British ever.


This just in, it's impossible to like both, it has to be one or the other. Thanks for the wisdom there.


Also: all British things are categorically better than Kevin Smith. Excuse me while I turn off my trash American cinema while I tuttle off to watch the latest events of Big Brother Series 32,485,643,569: Second Cousins of B-List Celebrities' Dog Walkers Edition. *sips tea, sticks out pinky*
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People can't use hyperbole without being instantly jumped on anymore? That's unfortunate.

While lowest-tier Britcoms make even crap like Everybody Loves Raymond look like Oscar Wilde, I'd still prefer a Big Brother episode over virtually any Kevin Smith film (outside of Chasing Amy, Mallrats and maybe Jersey Girl.) Because at least Big Brother would wear its misogynistic and heteronormative assertions on its sleeve and would know it's nothing beyond cheap, hollow entertainment for late-night male teenage stoners. And I find it especially nice that writers of Big Brother have never written themselves into their own product in order to prove that "it doesn't matter how you look or how she feels about you, if you do sex to a purddy lady real good, she'll totally fall in love with you forever and for always."

Just. Yuck.
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darkeningday wrote:
And I find it especially nice that writers of Big Brother have never written themselves into their own product in order to prove that "it doesn't matter how you look or how she feels about you, if you do sex to a purddy lady real good, she'll totally fall in love with you forever and for always."

Just. Yuck.


I take it that you're trying to interpret the overall message of Chasing Amy? If so, you have completely missed the mark. The film is about how the key to any true relationship is trust and putting the individual over their past actions. While sex did play an integral part in its dialogue, what was most important was its message. If anything, it reminded me of Henrik Ibsen's A Doll's House, just with sex substituting for finances.
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Jason Lee in Mallrats and Chasing Amy is the greatest griping character of all time.

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iamntbatman wrote:
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This just in, it's impossible to like both, it has to be one or the other. Thanks for the wisdom there.

Also: all British things are categorically better than Kevin Smith. Excuse me while I turn off my trash American cinema while I tuttle off to watch the latest events of Big Brother Series 32,485,643,569: Second Cousins of B-List Celebrities' Dog Walkers Edition. *sips tea, sticks out pinky*

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Zombie Night

This here was an unbelievably fun and entertaining effort that really has a lot of fun times about it. The fact that this one just absolutely runs through a relentless pace that's all built around the zombies getting free at the opening, barely five minutes in which allows this to really just warp through it's paces with the numerous encounters that transpire here following this type of pace. With an exceptionally creepy encounter in the graveyard as the zombies slowly rise from the grave to the home encounter where the zombies break in and force them to keep their own children out of harm's way and the thrilling encounter on the abandoned streets that feature a whole slew of zombies shambling along after the heroes who have to avoid the ever-increasing mass. The final half, where the underground tunnels through the cemetery with the zombies falling from the graves above them into the tunnels leading into the bloodbath ushered in the mausoleum is perfectly handled with some absolutely chilling moments stretched out quite nicely, a multitude of gore shots that look quite impressive and a rather fun amount of action containing two incredibly creepy locations being utilized quite nicely.

As well, the inciting spark for the zombie rampage is quite original and certainly creative, marking one of the only times such a concept was utilized and definitely made the fact that the heroes trying to deal with such overwhelming odds was a certainly fruitless endeavor look all the more impacting when there's some suspense to be wrung from this clever trick. As well, there's shuffling zombies brought back that play up the fact that it's the sheer number on undead that really makes them so frightening, and when called upon they do move about quite quickly when necessary so there's something for everyone.

While the ending is just way too quick and completely lifeless despite having such a great gimmick attached to it, it's the only thing holding this one down.

The Watermen

This here wasn't all that great and really had a lot of problems. One of the biggest is the fact that there's just no way to really take the group of hunters here seriously enough as a threat. Speaking in mumbled accents that make their intended threats barely audible, working a storyline that makes no sense and basically offering nothing of any real substance here that makes it come together in any shape or form, all of which work to make the group of butchers completely ridiculous as threats. The fact that there's very few encounters between them and the friends also really hinders them since we don't get to see them in action beyond slicing up the bodies or hunting them down, so we don't get a sense of fear from them since there's no home-field advantage being in the swampy, forested areas with only one sequence showing that and they get easily out-gunned in the situation anyway which really just throws the whole thing for a loop. So much is spent on them being ruthless butchers that they get outsmarted, and really only have the upper hand with weapons since the hand-to-hand combat is to the way of the group so they don't even have that.

An extra-long set-up time to actually get to the island makes for a rather distressing time since the group of friends are the typical uninteresting and self-involved jerks that make it easy to want them dead.

Thankfully, it's saved by a fine last-half that really puts the confrontations back-to-back-to-back that allows for a lot of great action, some pretty gory dismembering that's effectively bloody and tons of nudity from those well-qualified to deliver it. All in all, this one is pretty disappointing.
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darkeningday wrote:
People can't use hyperbole without being instantly jumped on anymore? That's unfortunate.

While lowest-tier Britcoms make even crap like Everybody Loves Raymond look like Oscar Wilde, I'd still prefer a Big Brother episode over virtually any Kevin Smith film (outside of Chasing Amy, Mallrats and maybe Jersey Girl.) Because at least Big Brother would wear its misogynistic and heteronormative assertions on its sleeve and would know it's nothing beyond cheap, hollow entertainment for late-night male teenage stoners. And I find it especially nice that writers of Big Brother have never written themselves into their own product in order to prove that "it doesn't matter how you look or how she feels about you, if you do sex to a purddy lady real good, she'll totally fall in love with you forever and for always."

Just. Yuck.


I don't know, most Kevin Smith movies I think are about exactly what you said there - they know what they are; they are silly, over the top movies for teenage guys. I don't really think they're gut-busting hilarious, but I think most of them are very likable and enjoyable in their own ways. There's just a real personality and style to his works, and I always have a weakness for that trait in any medium.

As for Chasing Amy, that whole "straight guy gets a lesbian in bed" thing does rub me the wrong way; it's why I wouldn't put it as one of my favorite Smith movies. But the other guy was right in that it's not all the film is about, and I still pretty much think it's a good flick.
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I agree with Emp, here. Clerks seemed pretty self-aware to me, and even though I haven't seen any other Kevin Smith movie, I can't imagine that they wouldn't be either, based on a few snippets I've seen.
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For what it's worth, I was referring to Zack and Miri Make a Porno.
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I actually thought Clerks was pretty good. It just seemed really unpretentious and genuine, even if the writing wasn't the best. The characters could be whiny and dumb at times, but they felt like real people. If you've ever worked a shitty minimum-wage job like that, you'll know that those places are full of that type. It's far from a great movie, but it had a genuine humanity to it that I appreciated.

After that Kevin Smith basically totally loses me. His comedies are full of this crap where you can tell he's smugly congratulating himself on how edgy he is, like in Dogma where there's the black disciple, God is a woman, etc. It's about on the level of Ghost selling a dildo with their name on it.
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(Sorry to interrupt the Kevin Smith discussion. I've seen the majority of his directorial efforts, but I have absolutely nothing to say about them.)

Fright Night 2 (2013) - I couldn't tell you if this has anything to do with Fright Night 2 (1988), because I never saw that one. What I can tell you is, despite the title, this really isn't a sequel to Fright Night with Colin Farrell. Oh sure, there are young characters named Charlie and Evil Ed who enlist the help of a monster 'expert' named Peter Vincent. But all of these characters behave as if this is their first time dealing with actual vampires. Yep, Fright Night 2 pretends the events of Fright Night 1 never happened. I know reboots and re-imaginings are all the rage these days, but do we really need them in every franchise that exists? (And yes, that comment makes me a hypocrite because I liked the newest Evil Dead.)

So anyway, Jaime Murray (Lila from "Dexter") plays a vampire professor in Romania, where Charlie and Ed are visiting to learn about European art, or something. Early on, Charlie discovers......

Ah, forget it. I don't recommend this. It even made me slightly less likely to see Byzantium, which is apparently yet another recent vampire movie.
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I thought Mallrats was a pretty great movie, too. For some reason my notion of Kevin Smith is relatively untainted by Dogma since I haven't seen it in a really long time and even then it was on Comedy Central or something so wasn't really like sitting down and watching a movie. Clerks II was also pretty great, other than the Lord of the Rings bitching of course.

I saw Byzantium. It was...ehhh. Not horrible, but not super fantastic, either. It had a decent premise but didn't really know where to take it. Saoirse Ronan was good in it, though.
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Does anyone seriously like Fright Night that much in any incarnation? Both the 80s one and the new one were about the same level of 'waste of time' for me, though the new one maybe a little bit worse. Can't personally see a reason to bother with sequels.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:33 pm 
 

My Halloween horror picks for tonight are:
Halloween 3: Season of the Witch 'The clock is ticking. Be in front of your TV sets for The Horrorthon.'
Always good for a laugh and a marvel at what the series might have been if it's spin-off didn't so gloriously fail.
Night of the Creeps - Yet to see.

Before all that I'll watch Cinemassacre's reviews of Day of the Dead and Land of the Dead.

My recommendation for everyone else is Jason Lives, easily the best entry and genuinely action-packed spooky fun.
The Blob (1988), Cat's Eye, Maniac (both), Visiting Hours and Phantasm II are all worth your attention as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:35 am 
 

Jason Lives...isn't that #6? I never liked that one much, it is just too campy for its own good. My favorite will always be the final chapter. I like it even more than the original two.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:04 am 
 

Jason Lives has what might be the best opening scene in the Friday the 13th franchise, but The Final Chapter has Crispin Glover's spastic dance routine. So it's tough for me to pick a favorite.

About Fright Night, I probably would have loved the 1985 movie if I saw it when I was younger. But I only saw it for the first time within the past few years, well aware of its reputation as a cult favorite. It's not amazing, but it has a certain charm, and the actor who played Evil Ed was hilarious. Strange that about 5 years later, he decided to pursue a career in gay porn.

I don't have any plans to see 1988's Fright Night 2, and I agree the Colin Farrell remake was about as unnecessary as the Total Recall remake he did.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:04 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Does anyone seriously like Fright Night that much in any incarnation? Both the 80s one and the new one were about the same level of 'waste of time' for me, though the new one maybe a little bit worse. Can't personally see a reason to bother with sequels.


I used to watch the original a lot when I was a kid and rented the sequel a few times. I pretty much hated the remake.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:29 pm 
 

ChineseDownhill wrote:
I don't have any plans to see 1988's Fright Night 2, and I agree the Colin Farrell remake was about as unnecessary as the Total Recall remake he did.


Has any movie where Colin Farrell is the main star not been shit?
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