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failsafeman
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:04 am 
 

iamntbatman wrote:
Well Neo was a hacker who sold stolen information to scummy looking people. That whole intro part had that goth/industrial bar thing. I guess it started as more cyberpunk then shifted to more of a sci-fi movie once he got out of the Matrix.

Yeah that's true, the setup with Neo in the Matrix was pretty cyberpunky. Honestly though the Matrix hasn't aged all that well for me, a lot of its appeal is based on the "wow factor" that isn't nearly as impressive today, and the philosophical stuff just seems kinda pretentious. Also, the human battery thing is just idiotic, considering they could have just made the human brains being used as organic computers or something. Still a decent action movie, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:08 am 
 

failsafeman wrote:
and the philosophical stuff just seems kinda pretentious.

I recall the Morpheus speech right before he handed Neo the red pill/blue pill choice being particularly egregious today. Although even at its worst, the vacuuous philosophical platitudes and irritatingly elaborate metaphors were nowhere near as bad as they were in the Wachowski's script for V for Vendetta, although I suspect that could be due more to Alan Moore's influence.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:00 am 
 

The main problem with V for Vendetta is that the source material just isn't that good to begin with. It just felt super duper preachy, and V himself was never really given any character beyond spouting political crap - which was doubly annoying considering he was railing against a total strawman Thatcherite dystopia. Alan, preachy self-righteousness only gets more irritating when it's over something YOU MADE UP.

For my money though, From Hell was actually pretty good, both the comic and the movie adaptation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:08 am 
 

I'm just curious as to what you guys think about this, but it's official that Man of Steel 2 will be a Superman/Batman co-op movie.

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/official-b ... comic-con/

Honestly, if done right, this could be the best move for DC. It's a superhero team up that we've seen everywhere else but the big screen and would be a good gateway film for Justice League.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:49 am 
 

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For my money though, From Hell was actually pretty good, both the comic and the movie adaptation.

I first and last saw that movie in 2006, but I remember being pretty impressed by it. The Hughes Brothers are great directors; Dead Presidents and especially Menace II Society are great movies, although I haven't had a chance to see The Book of Eli yet. Can anyone comment on that one's quality?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:54 am 
 

I thought it sucked myself. Cinematically it does some cool things with the contrasts between fast shadowed action over the bright desert, but it's slow as fuck, and the twist at the end is just... all the stupid. All of it. Not a drop was spared.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:00 pm 
 

Aurone wrote:
I'm just curious as to what you guys think about this, but it's official that Man of Steel 2 will be a Superman/Batman co-op movie.

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/official-b ... comic-con/

Honestly, if done right, this could be the best move for DC. It's a superhero team up that we've seen everywhere else but the big screen and would be a good gateway film for Justice League.

Christian Bale won't be doning the Batsuit, am I right? I'm asking because I can't access that link.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:07 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
Aurone wrote:
I'm just curious as to what you guys think about this, but it's official that Man of Steel 2 will be a Superman/Batman co-op movie.

http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/official-b ... comic-con/

Honestly, if done right, this could be the best move for DC. It's a superhero team up that we've seen everywhere else but the big screen and would be a good gateway film for Justice League.

Christian Bale won't be doning the Batsuit, am I right? I'm asking because I can't access that link.


As right now, no one has been cast as Batman, so that can count as a no for Bale, at least for now. Christopher Nolan though might return as producer.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:17 pm 
 

Well, I saw Movie 43. And while I'm not saying everyone should run out and rent it, all this "worst movie ever" talk is completely overblown. Sorry to keep bashing these same recent comedies over and over, but This Is 40, The Campaign, Identity Thief, Hangover 2, Due Date - each of these had fewer laughs than Movie 43.

My favorite part was Superhero Speed Dating, and I'll admit I laughed more than I should have at the Winslet / Jackman skit (the central joke is really immature, and was done on South Park years ago).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:29 pm 
 

Pusher 3 was good, just finally checked it out last night. It definitely takes a certain chemistry to make human entrails twirling in a sink amusing. I really liked the use of sound & score in the film, as well. It stood out to me as the most effective and atmospheric use of it I've seen in a while (though I haven't been on a very big film streak for the last year). Cool shit, man. Great series. The guy who plays Milo has an astoundingly resonant voice box.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:57 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
failsafeman wrote:
For my money though, From Hell was actually pretty good, both the comic and the movie adaptation.

I first and last saw that movie in 2006, but I remember being pretty impressed by it. The Hughes Brothers are great directors; Dead Presidents and especially Menace II Society are great movies, although I haven't had a chance to see The Book of Eli yet. Can anyone comment on that one's quality?

I enjoyed it a fair amount. I wouldn't say it's anything special, but it had good action, a decent plot, good acting (always a good idea to cast Gary Oldman as your villain), and good visuals. It made interesting points about the power of words and ideas to influence populations, and how religion and belief can be the most powerful tools of control even on a small scale. Hardly a great movie, but with all the post-apocalyptic movies coming out these days, The Book of Eli is definitely one of the better ones. There is a "big twist" at the end that might bother you, but it didn't bother me and it probably won't bother you if you like Japanese cinema much.

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I thought it sucked myself. Cinematically it does some cool things with the contrasts between fast shadowed action over the bright desert, but it's slow as fuck, and the twist at the end is just... all the stupid. All of it. Not a drop was spared.

Eh, I don't think so. It's not terribly realistic, sure, but there's a sort of "legendary" feel to the whole thing. I liked it.
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There are like 20 Zatoichi movies about a blind samurai in medieval Japan. "Blind swordmaster" is kind of a trope in Japan, but it was neat to see it applied to a very American context.
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Saw Oblivion. I don't know what to think about it; the first half is very slow and when the plot beings to unfold, I have this strange deja vu feeling that I've seen those twists and themes tons of times. It was not terrible, but hell, I feels utterly pointless.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:39 pm 
 

Oblivion's aesthetics seemed very interesting judging from the trailers, but Tom Cruise is the lead actor, so fuck that movie.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:22 pm 
 

Tom Cruise rules, and so did that movie.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:06 pm 
 

I just I find him to be extremely unconvincing and dull in general, the only exception being his role as a contract killer in Collateral.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 8:55 pm 
 

I offered my opinion of Oblivion earlier in this thread; while I didn't exactly hate it, I didn't find it particularly good either. I'll post a slightly edited version of what I wrote because my views on it haven't changed and I don't really wanna re-type it all.

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[Oblivion] wasn't awful; I just found the second half really uninspired and sort of nonsensical:
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What was the significance of choosing Tom Cruise's character to serve as blueprint for the massive clone army? Freeman's rationalization that "[the HALiens] took our best man and turned him against us" sounded fairly poetic and all but made little rational sense; while it might destabilize (American) morale initially, I doubt it would have had any lasting effect, especially across the entire world. How would The Roboaliens even have known that the very first two humans they came in contact with were national heroes? ALSO: The robot aliens can produce infinite easily deprogrammable Tom Cruises but have to stretch their extremely effective (and unwaveringly loyal, easily controlled) manhacks so thinly they're always miles apart from eachother...? Since when is biomatter so much more easily generated than mechanical? Or did I just miss something here?

Cool first half, though, outside of some wishy-washy radio chatter that served more as an obstacle to soaking up the atmosphere than it did as an effective vessel for dispensing Act I exposition (which would be repeated again and again and again before it was finally useful anyway.)


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Watch Cocktail and then try to say that with a straight face.
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I would rather not :p
Honestly though, I've thouroughly enjoyed everything I've seen him in except The Firm (yes, even MI:2). Haven't seen Taps or Jerry Macguire though, but don't care much to.
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I also just saw Oblivion and thought it was great. The plot unfolded nicely, it looked great and M83 did a wonderful job with the soundtrack. Sure, there were a couple of sort of dumb/lame plot holes, but they didn't really bother me all that much. I also liked stuff like:

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The sort of odd relationship between Jack and Victoria, how they're intimate but not exactly in love with one another (or at least it doesn't seem that way) - more like extremely strong sexual tension. The icing on the cake is the flashback scene near the end where it shows the tension developing as they're flying into the Tet. I just thought it was sort of cool how they had that really awkward but human sort of interaction that cascaded down through all of the clones, but the clones themselves didn't seem to ever be able to move beyond that flirty stage.
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For everyone here who loved Pacific Rim, del Toro has confirmed a sequel.

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Saw Pacific Rim the other day. It was essentially one enormous gaping plot hole, although entertaining enough for a mindless action flick. I do have to say that Ron Perlman's character was fucking hilarious. Just saw Gonzo, a documentary about Hunter S. Thompson. Interesting stuff, and I do have to say that Hunter is one of my favourite writers. What I found especially interesting was him struggling with the perception that he was becoming a caricature of himself. They had some pretty interesting people speak in it, probably most notably president Jimmy Carter talking about how he was sneaking alcohol into a press conference.
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Aurone wrote:
For everyone here who loved Pacific Rim, del Toro has confirmed a sequel.

Yay! :-D
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Conjuring- I enjoyed it and felt tense at times, but not one to be seen with a big crowd, since they all act like morons.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:47 am 
 

Speaking of sequels, there is a possibility of a Dredd sequel.

I'm yet to watch Pacific Rim but it seems the good things said on the board will ensure that I do so soon.

I chanced upon Deadfall (2012) the other day while looking for other movies which feature Charlie Hunnam. I was curious about his work apart from Greenstreet Hooligans and Sons of Anarchy. The movie also has Eric Bana in a negative role and I can't quite say I found him that convincing playing that character. But anyway, the movie trudges along with some decent scenes and some boring ones. The plot is pretty much about two siblings (Bana and Olivia Wilde) who are running away from the cops for a heist and some killings, and how their plans are temporarily thwarted by them coming across the other characters in the movie. The three-ish subplots (mini-stories) of the movie are interconnected in the end. I enjoyed the cold wintry setting and overall, I'd say this thriller/drama movie was slightly above average and watchable.

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Necroticism174 wrote:
I would rather not :p
Honestly though, I've thouroughly enjoyed everything I've seen him in except The Firm (yes, even MI:2). Haven't seen Taps or Jerry Macguire though, but don't care much to.

Yeah i actually against my will like Tom Cruise too. It sucks, coz i'm pretty sure im supposed to hate him. Anyways, allow me to explain: I really only find him convincing and suited to those films where he plays a successful, confident pretty boy type - youthful, perhaps arrogant, cocky, boyish, all there for ladies to have sex appeal younger man stuff; Risky Business, Rain Main definitely. In Rain Man his character's cocky handsome business jerk character is just right for Cruise. As for other films, like Last Samurai (which almost against my will, i liked - review here http://rateyourmusic.com/film/the_last_samurai/) I find him a bit of an odd choice for casting. I just think his legacy of charming youthful pretty boy movies (Risky Business, Cocktail etc) excludes him as being a suitable candidate for an old timey war general. They really needed someone gruffer. Not neccessarily Jeff Bridges in Coen Bros' True Grit gruff, but somewhat manlier, more grizzled - compare Costner in Dances with Wolves. Tom Cruise is a tad dainty for that type of thing. So while i actually do kinda like him, i only really like him where he basically plays himself - a boyish pansy.

Note: I haven't seen Jerry MacGuire, or Mission Impossible.
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Xlxlx wrote:
I just I find him to be extremely unconvincing and dull in general, the only exception being his role as a contract killer in Collateral.

Collateral? Seriously? I thought Tom Cruise was horribly, horribly miscast in that movie, and essentially ruined it for me. And that's coming from someone who LOVES Michael Mann.
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Xlxlx wrote:
I just I find him to be extremely unconvincing and dull in general, the only exception being his role as a contract killer in Collateral.

Collateral? Seriously? I thought Tom Cruise was horribly, horribly miscast in that movie, and essentially ruined it for me. And that's coming from someone who LOVES Michael Mann.

Agreed. See above. Again the role would have been far cooler if it went to someone a bit gruffer, manlier, perhaps grizzled, or just plain sinister. Gary Oldman? I didn't get round to watching COllateral till more recently and i was pretty disappointed. I mean, the whole thing seemed like it could have been a bit cooler, largely with a cooler villain.
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failsafeman wrote:
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I just I find him to be extremely unconvincing and dull in general, the only exception being his role as a contract killer in Collateral.

Collateral? Seriously? I thought Tom Cruise was horribly, horribly miscast in that movie, and essentially ruined it for me. And that's coming from someone who LOVES Michael Mann.

Seriously. Maybe it's because his role there is extremely different compared to what he usually does, but I liked him there and only there.
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I did not care for Collateral at all. Just like Jack Reacher, Cruise is not good at playing bad asses.

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Have you not seen any of the Mission Impossible movies? Or maybe, you know, MOTHERFUCKING TOP GUN!
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For me it was just that Cruise wasn't at all good at playing a charismatic villain. Now, I don't think the movie would have been a classic with someone else, but the movie just focuses so much on his character and the character played by Jamie Foxx (who did a good job, incidentally) that it kind of lives or dies on how believable those two are. Robert DeNiro for example would have nailed it; his character in Mann's earlier movie Heat wasn't too much different from the hitman in Collateral, and I'm sure he could have knocked it out of the park.
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Yeah, you're right. Come to think of it, though, Collateral is definitely my least favourite Mann movie. Though I haven't seen Miami Vice :roll:
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I don't know, Public Enemies was pretty weak. Tried way too hard to be realistic, at the expense of real character development and drama and good dialog. Some things about it were great - the movie looked fantastic - but whoever wrote the screenplay seemed totally OK with not trying to delve into the character's motivations at all and just relay the facts. I'm pretty sure the book it was based on was non-fiction, and it shows.
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failsafeman wrote:
For me it was just that Cruise wasn't at all good at playing a charismatic villain. Now, I don't think the movie would have been a classic with someone else, but the movie just focuses so much on his character and the character played by Jamie Foxx (who did a good job, incidentally) that it kind of lives or dies on how believable those two are. Robert DeNiro for example would have nailed it; his character in Mann's earlier movie Heat wasn't too much different from the hitman in Collateral, and I'm sure he could have knocked it out of the park.

And let's not forget the overlooked Ronin (1998). Fantastic crime/heist thriller/action flick. De Niro nails his role as a veteran former spook/high end criminal for hire/general fucking badass. His steely demeanor, coldness and veteranism is exhuded throughout the film. More credit to your notion he'd have made a better villain. In fact i was thinking of mentioning him in my previous post.

Jamie Foxx is an actor i always was surprisingly happy with. In Jarhead for example he does that role well. Guy's been in some terrible shit though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:09 pm 
 

Mmm, Michael Mann. What an either off or on director. Pretty much no middle ground to speak of. I fucking ADORED Heat, Thief, Manhunter and The Insider... but pretty much despised Collateral (though it had an edgy, interesting filming style), The Keep (sucked in every imaginable way), Ali (honestly, I thought even The Hurricane was better) and Miami Vice. I'm yet to see Public Enemies still, but I'm not exactly rushing to fix that.
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Ronin was a revelation. Did you know it was ghostwritten by David Mamet? John Frankenheimer is another extremely hit-or-miss director, though.
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Mmm, Michael Mann. What an either off or on director. Pretty much no middle ground to speak of. I fucking ADORED Heat, Thief, Manhunter and The Insider... but pretty much despised Collateral (though it had an edgy, interesting filming style), The Keep (sucked in every imaginable way), Ali (honestly, I thought even The Hurricane was better) and Miami Vice. I'm yet to see Public Enemies still, but I'm not exactly rushing to fix that.

Gotta agree here - i dig the same films by him, but of the latter bunch i've only seen collateral which i wasn't too chuffed with. Ali is something i've always avoided - didn't even know it was directed by him. Miami Vice i avoided, even though i'm a fan of the original TV series.

Re: Ronin i wasn't aware of the ghostwriting. What's the deal with that film anyways, i feel it doesn't nearly get the credit it deserves. A lot of people seem to lap up whatever crime action/thrillers come out, but a lot of them seem to have never seen Ronin, or to not care for it. I think it's awesome. Probably watched it a good 10 times over the years. I believe i scribbled some thoughts on it a few years back:

Thrilling Crime Flick for the Modern Age

A stylish and classy action flick for the modern age, this film benefits from a weaving, high octane, thrilling story of intrigue, great casting (lead by De Niro and Jean Reno), intricate, complicated shots and amazing car chases, as well as thrilling gunfights. This film is so well done, it reminds me of the classy, polished action/crime flicks of the 70s, such as Le Cercle Rouge, and French Connection. No mater how many times i see this film, it's still thrilling, and never fails to impress with an awesome screenplay, and complex action sequences. De Niro makes another stunning performance.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:48 pm 
 

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And let's not forget the overlooked Ronin (1998). Fantastic crime/heist thriller/action flick. De Niro nails his role as a veteran former spook/high end criminal for hire/general fucking badass. His steely demeanor, coldness and veteranism is exhuded throughout the film. More credit to your notion he'd have made a better villain. In fact i was thinking of mentioning him in my previous post.

I haven't seen Ronin in like 12 years, though I do remember liking it at the time. I should rewatch it.

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Mmm, Michael Mann. What an either off or on director. Pretty much no middle ground to speak of. I fucking ADORED Heat, Thief, Manhunter and The Insider... but pretty much despised Collateral (though it had an edgy, interesting filming style), The Keep (sucked in every imaginable way), Ali (honestly, I thought even The Hurricane was better) and Miami Vice. I'm yet to see Public Enemies still, but I'm not exactly rushing to fix that.

Yeah, agreed. Basically he just needs to stick to contemporary crime thrillers, haha. I'd absolutely love to see another movie from him with a synthy 80s soundtrack, possibly even by Tangerine Dream like in Thief, but there's just no way that's going to happen again.

Really though, it just blows me away that Thief was Michael Mann's first movie. It's a REALLY intense character study of the titular thief, and basically maintains that laser focus throughout - I'm not even sure anyone else ever gets any real character development. First movies tend to be way less focused than that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:52 pm 
 

Yeah Tangerine Dream soundtrack is dope. It's one of those debut films like Ridley Scott's Duellists (1977); way too professional and polished and high end to be a debut feature length. Impressive stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:06 pm 
 

I wouldn't call Ronin overlooked. Sure awhile a go it probably was but almost every one knows about that movie now. It's not going to slip under the radar with Robert De Niro in the cast. Not in the same genre but The Dark Backward, What Happened Was.. and High Strung are three examples of overlooked and non-discussed films. Also I think Jamie Foxx sucks in general, his 'good job' in Collateral was looking worried and constipated from 2 hours, whereas Tom Cruise's character was cold and calculated which hindered his emotions yet his charm and on cue reaction slipped through at crucial times. Collateral more or less reminded me of Falling Down, the destination points they both have, the false beginnings which allude to a different outcome, the climax which I can't reveal, and various other similarities. Sure there's differences but I imagine a movie night of those two films would go well.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:47 pm 
 

Enjoyed Collateral and Heat. Miami Vice remains the only movie I have almost fallen asleep watching in a theater. Public Enemies was mostly boring after the first ten or twenty minutes. It's like the script was written by a documentary writer for the History Channel (with less aliens).

Also enjoyed From Hell. Never cared for the Matrix at all really. Extremely overrated right from the start. Dark, cool concept that gets weighed down by philosophical mumbo-jumbo and lightweight fight scenes that look like they were choreographed by a man who wears panties before ending with a 30 minute Korn video.

Hugo Weaving was good though.

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and the philosophical stuff just seems kinda pretentious.

I recall the Morpheus speech right before he handed Neo the red pill/blue pill choice being particularly egregious today. Although even at its worst, the vacuuous philosophical platitudes and irritatingly elaborate metaphors were nowhere near as bad as they were in the Wachowski's script for V for Vendetta, although I suspect that could be due more to Alan Moore's influence.



The first "V Speech" in the alley was :ugh: :grumble: .
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