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Under_Starmere
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:18 am 
 

Will have to throw a token in the "Voting Against Event Horizon" cup. I watched it after years of hearing here and there that it was one of the great horror/sci-fi flicks and just found it laughable. Seriously bad film, I'm at a loss as to why anyone would tout it as...anything, really, it hardly seems worth anyone's attention.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:37 am 
 

Hmm. There's always one... :argue:

Out of interest, do you generally enjoy films like this - sci-fi/horror and/or haunted house themes? If so, what made this in particular so execrable?

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Under_Starmere
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:48 am 
 

My disappointment with Event Horizon (as I recall) wasn't based so much on the concept as the execution. The concept was good enough, but the way it was brought onto the screen fell horribly flat a lot of the time. Crap acting, crap cinematography, crap writing... it was just silly, really. Space hulks are rad, don't get me wrong. I like me some space hulks. But Event Horizon simply didn't carry off its concept in any buy-into-able way, instead ending up as simply another forgettable B movie. Waste of a space hulk, really, and that makes me sad :(. You just don't waste a space hulk...

And I say this being a massive fan of Alien and The Thing, two horror/sci-fi pieces that are some of my favorite films of all time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:22 am 
 

Sorry Starmere, but I'm afraid that you're alone here, so I'm watching it :-D

I second your praise for Alien and The Thing though, especially the latter. The sense of claustrophobic paranoia that pervades The Thing is yet to be equaled, if you ask me. That, and it contains some of my favourite instances of body horror ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:07 pm 
 

I haven't watched Event Horizon yet but the most recent sci-fi movie I watched was 'Sunshine'. Any of you guys seen it? It was recommended by a friend but I had zero expectations going into this one. It surprised me (in a good way) and more than the whole sci-fi bit about saving the sun, I found the relationships between the astronauts and the whole concept that Pinbacker was purporting to be quite interesting to watch. I enjoyed the story and acting was played out well.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:16 pm 
 

Tai Chi Master-When a man finds his lifelong friend on opposite sides of a deadly rebellion against a cruel governor, he must put his martial arts training to the highest test in order to help the rebels overcome the greater enemy. An immensely enjoyable and entertaining Jet Li effort that really has a lot going for it and might be one of his best efforts. While the storyline is nothing new and really doesn't have anything all that original or creative about it, the fact that it sets up an excuse to fight almost every five minutes is the main selling point here which allows this to have such a stand-out pace that there's a lot to like based on just that factor alone. That the fights are nothing short of jaw-dropping is another big factor, and the wire-fu used here becomes all the more spectacular after all the flips, spins and jumps performed within, and when mixed with the speed and ferocity of the maneuvers is nothing short of breath-taking. That's just the hand-to-hand fighting, as there's a plethora of weapons and gang-fighting as well, including one of the most impressive fights ever where a gang of several dozen take on the hand-full of rebels and nearly manage to overcome the odds as people go flying all over the arena of combat. Some of it looks a little silly, and as mentioned there's some problems with the story but this is one of Jet's better HK films.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:11 pm 
 

Man, I need to watch Event Horizon again. I last saw it when I was like 15 and thought it was awesome, but then I thought a lot of stupid shit was awesome when I was 15.

shouvince wrote:
I haven't watched Event Horizon yet but the most recent sci-fi movie I watched was 'Sunshine'. Any of you guys seen it? It was recommended by a friend but I had zero expectations going into this one. It surprised me (in a good way) and more than the whole sci-fi bit about saving the sun, I found the relationships between the astronauts and the whole concept that Pinbacker was purporting to be quite interesting to watch. I enjoyed the story and acting was played out well.

I really didn't like Sunshine at all. The concept was interesting but the movie just ended up being very boring. It seems like it couldn't decide whether it wanted to be a slow, dialog-heavy Tarkovsky-like sci-fi film in the vein of Solaris or an action-packed "everything that can go wrong does go wrong" save-the-world film like Armageddon. Instead we get the tension and slow pace of the former in the first half and while the second half switches to the latter's frenetic running around as everything breaks and crew members die off one-by-one. It should have either been an action movie from the get-go with a more lighthearted tone, or a brooding sci-fi film in which the characters talk a lot as they slowly break down and eventually turn on each other.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:53 pm 
 

I thought Event Horizon was pretty good, nothing amazing but it was an interesting mash up of Hellraiser, The Shining and Alien that surprisingly worked better than I imagined it would. I hear some shit about it here and there and basically don't get it...not a great movie but a pretty decent pulpy horror story, at any rate.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:23 pm 
 

Didn't expect to see positive reactions to Event Horizon. Just about everyone I know thinks that movie is total shit. Pretty cool concept though and I enjoy watching it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:30 pm 
 

Event Horizon's concept is very good. The execution could have been better but it's enjoyable enough IMO; some scenes are very well done and the antagonist is believable.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:50 pm 
 

I love the concept. More than anything. Insanity, weird "demonic" holds, strange desperate communications, claustrophobia and space hulkin'

but yeah...Fishman nailed it :(

I watched, yesterday and today, Silent Hill: Revelations, V/H/S, Small Town Gay Bar, FagBug, The Giant Mechanical Man, and Upstream Color.

Silent Hill: Revelations - garbage and cheesy. the imagery was cool, and the settings were actually really well structured. But, it was filled with too many "wink wink" moments to the video games, and naturally, because it follows the cult storyline, the whole fucking villain is garbage. In fact, if I wasn't RELIGIOUSLY familiar with the games, I'd say I'd have no fucking clue what was happening - the whole movie is predicated on you know the universe fairly well. This is definitely a ballsy move for a big studio production - but the whole thing fell flat, and the acting was atrocious. I knew this going in though, so I'm not too upset.

V/H/S - too much gore and annoyance - not enough substantial storytelling. Most of the movies were annoying and too long, but a couple were kinda neat (the one with the teens in the forest was kinda cool, the webcam). Overall, a fun horror movie, but not really worth its long running time and annoying setup.

Small Town Gay Bar - immensely enjoyable documentary about how the local gay watering hole becomes a social statement in two small Mississippi towns - an odd story of oddballs, losers, fags, wimps, and ninnies - all of whom are wondrously colorful and really thoughtful and interesting. Not to mention surprise visits by the Westboro kiddos. A cool look into the lives of arguably the most marginalized people in American at this point (gays in the Bible Belt) and yet oddly touching for how the director portrays the South. A hell of a lot more people down there were accepting (or at leas tolerable) of the lifestyle, and he really shows the presumptuous Northerner (this goes doubly for you Canadians) as having a ton of egg on their face for assuming the lives of those down there. Watch it - it's a little over an hour.

FagBug - neat idea. completely ruined by the annoying ass narrator. just wiki FagBug and save an hour.

The Giant Mechanical Man - enjoyable, if not completely predictable rom-com starring Pam from the Office and Danny Castellano from the Mindy Project. Neat ideas about art and love and life, but mostly a standard big Hollywood movie wrapped in indie clothes. Still fun and cute.

Upstream Color - FUCKING KILLER. Seriously minimalist cinema mixed with some of the most incredible sound work I've heard in recent memory, not to mention fucking intense scenes. Ridiculously meticulous and thoughtful. I wouldn't have known the plot had I not looked it up, and yet...it made no difference. One of the better sci-fi flicks of recent memory.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:19 am 
 

That Silent Hill sequel was the hugest piece of shit I saw last year (and possibly in a long while before that). The acting was all around terrible, and you're right that it would be impenetrable by someone unfamiliar with the games. Seriously though, I've seen better acting, story, and dialogue in porn. I love that they introduce Douglas for almost no reason and then just immediately kill him off.

Bummed that you didn't like V/H/S. You should still check out the Safe Haven segment from the second one if you get the chance. It's better than all the other segments in both movies combined and it's directed by the guy who made the kick ass The Raid.

Never heard of Upstream Color but it looks amazing, I'll get on that as soon as possible.

As for my contribution, I watched Bernie yesterday. Pretty awful movie. Just bland, not much going on. ''Dark'' humour that falls flat 100% of the time. I can usually stand Jack Black in the rare times that he's on but this is just bad. Matthew McConaughey is just sort of there and does nothing. Damn my late night Netflixing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:22 am 
 

Safe Haven was pretty good, but I think the zombie one from the second movie is the best. Really clever and I liked the way the tone changed at the end so abruptly.

The Panic in Needle Park - 4/5

Really well acted and claustrophobic film about a drug scene in the 70s. Just bleak as all hell and especially so when the main character is this sweet young girl who just falls in with the wrong crowd. Al Pacino is as good as ever and Kitty Winn is just heartbreaking. The pace is fast and keeps the relatively bare-bones story interesting. It's a powerful and tragic tale and just portrays this kind of degradent lifestyle in a really stark manner. Solid film that accomplishes what it sets out to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:25 am 
 

A Ride in the Park I thought was great, what with the zombies invading a little girl's birthday party and everything (it's in the trailer, so not really a spoiler). Safe Haven was clearly the star of the show though. Overall the movie is just better than the first one, as there's only one segment that really flopped and it's MUCH shorter than V/H/S.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:26 am 
 

How was it clever? There was no reason for it to be filmed and it was basically ''guy turns into zombie, you see it from first person, eats children, grows conscience and shoots self.'' It wasn't my least favourite segment (that honour goes to UNLIKABLE CHARACTERS GETTING ABDUCTED) but damn.
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How was it clever? There was no reason for it to be filmed and it was basically ''guy turns into zombie, you see it from first person, eats children, grows conscience and shoots self.'' It wasn't my least favourite segment (that honour goes to UNLIKABLE CHARACTERS GETTING ABDUCTED) but damn.


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It was hilarious. Just really funny deadpan humor, and the fact that they kept it going on after the main character turns into a zombie was great, which I didn't expect. Then you get a very dark, sad ending to contradict the goofiness of the rest of it. I thought it was well done.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:32 am 
 

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The one good thing about the alien segment (the second-to-last shot of the kid disappearing into the black of the sky) was instantly negated by the closing shot of the dog dying on the ground with its head bleeding. It was just an unnecessary shot, and they could have had the camera either break upon the dog landing or it bounces away without the viewer seeing this animal in agony.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:26 am 
 

Spoiler tags for fuck sake.

Not that I really even want to see the movie but the general laziness is bothersome.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:34 pm 
 

Vamperifica-Struggling to fulfill his dream of being an actor, an effeminate college student discovers he has a Vampire King's spirit inside him and tries to withhold the urges to bite his best friends while his cronies try to help him with the transformation. This here was a total waste and really has very little that's enjoyable about it. One of the main issues here is that it's got way too much of a vanity-project feel that's completely unwarranted due to the main character's completely irritating and aggravating personality who feels he's warranted and deserving of unadorned praise and worship despite clearly not being seen as deserving of any of it then ranting and raving about it in hysterical fits of expressed rage. That this constitutes the comedy in the movie is hardly appealing at all and makes for quite an exasperating time getting involved in the film to begin with as the change-over occurs far too late in the movie to make it an impressive feat. The change-over transformation does bring about some decidedly- decent horror offerings in a couple nice kills and some atmospheric segments that are quite enjoyable, but overall there's just not enough to overcome the fundamental problem of getting invested in this one, and it really could've been something with it's more serious finale that has a few nice action scenes. Overall, though, this is a pretty tough one to get interested in.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:12 am 
 

Calusari wrote:
Hmm. There's always one... :argue:

Out of interest, do you generally enjoy films like this - sci-fi/horror and/or haunted house themes? If so, what made this in particular so execrable?



I think the film is all right. It doesn't really play up its premise in a way that makes the most of it, and I feel the best scenes were kind of underplayed ones. That bit with the kid in the airlock who suddenly realises he's about to die still makes me shiver a bit.

DIdn't anybody else find it odd that only the "evil scientist" guy on the ship seems to have any idea about physics? Aren't these guys supposed to be trained astronauts?

Frog, I'm definitely interested in Upstream COlour. I actually loved Primer...what a puzzle of a film. I keep recommending it to people but haven't yet gotten a single person to watch it. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:05 pm 
 

Chilling Visions: 5 Senses of Fear-A series of anthology shorts about each of the 5 sense: a man receives a deadly perfume that begins changing him unknowingly, an optometrist steals people's memory through their vision and relives their past, a blind kid has to outwit the cunning serial killer he stumbled upon in the woods, a man runs afoul of an executive with a killer appetite, film students unleash a curse when they attempt to restore a documentary about a famous musicians cursed work. Quite honestly one of the worst Anthology efforts ever, as really all five of the stories are just plain terrible and don't have any real value at all. Most of them have no connection to their chosen sense at all, and the others have a very tenuous and quite ridiculous rationale that makes aligns them with their sense, so on that level alone the film is a failure when it's gimmick isn't done right. One is over so quick it's inclusion is puzzling, and with very little else about it that's appealing this is a pain on just about every level.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:51 pm 
 

Here's the thing about Man of Steel that I wonder if people understand - it's not Superman. He's not Superman, not yet. He's just some guy in his daddy's clothes who's doing the best he can. The portrayal of Clark as kind of a lonely misfit is actually consistent with how the character is these days. He's not combat trained, he's the very opposite of that. Wasn't it sufficiently drilled into the audience that he hasn't so much as lifted a finger against anyone, as long as he's been alive?

And yet the main complaints I read is that he wasn't the same big blue Boy Scout with the red underwear on the outside that Christopher Reeve was. That movie was already made, in 1979. This movie is about a Man of Steel.

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I thought Man of Steel was decent.

Just saw Reluctant Fundamentalist. Despite its awful name, a pretty good movie. One of the better ones dealing with post 9/11 America I've seen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:19 am 
 

@dystopia

Watch Margaret. As far as I'm concerned, it (at least, the director's cut) is the absolute pinnacle of post 9/11 movies. While I haven't watched The Reluctant Fundamentalist yet, I can't imagine it could come anywhere close to that film. Easy 10/10 for me; it's up there with Dogville and La Bete humaine as one of the greatest films I've ever seen.
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I still need to see Dogville. I think Kidman is a pretty good actress (though I don't share your, ahem, obsession) and I've really been meaning to check out more Von Trier and that one seems like the most interesting one.
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GTog wrote:
And yet the main complaints I read is that he wasn't the same big blue Boy Scout with the red underwear on the outside that Christopher Reeve was. That movie was already made, in 1979. This movie is about a Man of Steel.

Not to be Captain Obvious but you're never going to please everybody. I haven't seen it yet but most of the complaints I've seen have been from people and critics who clearly don't like action/superhero movies and really have no business watching let alone reviewing them.

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Hmm. There's always one... :argue:

Out of interest, do you generally enjoy films like this - sci-fi/horror and/or haunted house themes? If so, what made this in particular so execrable?



I think the film is all right. It doesn't really play up its premise in a way that makes the most of it, and I feel the best scenes were kind of underplayed ones. That bit with the kid in the airlock who suddenly realises he's about to die still makes me shiver a bit.

DIdn't anybody else find it odd that only the "evil scientist" guy on the ship seems to have any idea about physics? Aren't these guys supposed to be trained astronauts?

Frog, I'm definitely interested in Upstream COlour. I actually loved Primer...what a puzzle of a film. I keep recommending it to people but haven't yet gotten a single person to watch it. :lol:


I do agree about a lot of potentially great scenes being underplayed; it can be frustrating to watch because of that.

The 'spaceship crew have no clue about science' thing happens quite a bit in sci-fi, I think; it does get a little strange - sometimes you wonder how they got into whatever organisation they're working for. I guess, though, that in those space-faring futures, manning a ship in space is common enough (and with a lot of the work being assisted by technology) so that not every person doing it needs high-level knowledge of, say, the physics and mathematics involved; knowledge of how to work the machinery is enough.

Love 'Primer', absolutely brilliant film - highly recommended; I think I need to see it a couple of times more, though, to truly get it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:13 am 
 

I think that was the general idea with the spaceship guys; in the future, it's more like flying a commercial airliner or being a crew member of a supertanker or a long-haul trucker, in that all you really need to know is the practical side of operating the machinery.
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failsafeman wrote:
I think that was the general idea with the spaceship guys; in the future, it's more like flying a commercial airliner or being a crew member of a supertanker or a long-haul trucker, in that all you really need to know is the practical side of operating the machinery.


That was certainly the feeling I got from Alien, which was obviously an influence on Event Horizon, but I don't know, seems like they'd be better off sending a crew of experts on this mission...
I might have to watch the movie again as I only viewed it once, and this was sometime around 2003 I think!
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I've been gone for a couple weeks so I missed this convo but do any of you that hate TCM 2 like House of 1000 Corpses? Cuz they're kinda the same movie.

If you can't find something to enjoy in TCM 2 then I feel bad for you, MARSDUDE knows what's up.

And Lifeforce rules.

My viewing as of late:

Dead Snow (I enjoyed this thoroughly, good modern zombie flick with nods to the greats (Evil Dead etc.) Lots of rad gore (NO CGI!!!), nazi zombies, and some humorous touches that are played well enough to be funny without sending the film into "horror comedy" territory. Highly recommended as long as you don't mind subtitles.)

Battle Royale (Had heard a bunch of praise for it but I didn't think it was all THAT special. Most of the deaths were pretty plain but there were a few good parts. I wonder if the lady that wrote Hunger Games watched this movie first as the similarities are uncanny.)

Escape from LA (Rules)

The Cabin in the Woods (Finally got around to giving this a proper viewing. Surprisingly good though I thought the ending/reason for the whole thing was dumb.)

Conan the Destroyer (As bad as this is I still love it.)

Colossal Squid (I have a mild fascination with Colossal/Giant Squid. This is a 2 part documentary about the dissection of the first live colossal squid ever caught. The dissection footage is kinda boring but the live footage they show of when an arctic fishing ship catches the thing is pretty rad. I didn't even watch the second part, it sounded boring(er).)

Last Days Here (As much an anti-crack/heroin psa as a documentary haha. I love Pentagram so it was pretty cool to hear past members they talk to recount different incidents over the course of the bands history.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:37 am 
 

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The Cabin in the Woods (Finally got around to giving this a proper viewing. Surprisingly good though I thought the ending/reason for the whole thing was dumb.)


This reminds me that I watched this about a month ago but never brought it up here. It was alright, but I think it was a victim of the Whedon-hype (maybe it's because I never watched Buffy or Firefly, but the idolization of the man seems a little far fetched). It wasn't bad I guess, but I don't like how all the really cliche parts were kinda lampshaded (yeah it's cliche on purpose! lol so clever!) and took up a big portion of the movie, while all the new, creative bits were relatively downplayed until the final act. There's this cool conspiracy going on, there are all these things they could do, but nope, really boring cliche undead thing. The last act was really good though (though the ending was kinda flat, I feel), and I wish more of the movie had played with that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:44 am 
 

Hatchet III: Okay, I had lot of problems with this. By far the weakest, laziest, least entertaining part of this otherwise fun series. You can tell Adam Green didn't direct this one. It's sloppy, the kills are mostly unmemorable, what it builds up to in the end is disappointing, every single character is thouroughly unlikable, Marybeths entire character is simply "huge, belligrent bitch to everyone for no reason" and it gets old fast. Not to mention Danielle Harris'acting was just BAD. To be honest, I don't remember how she did in the second one, but I remember it being enjoyable damn it. Sure, all the effects are still practical and they all look pretty good, but the kills are boring. They decided to make Victor Crowley insanely powerful out of nowhere (and inconsistently with the first two. But who cares about that shit, right?) so most of them are basically "rargh, Crowley rips your spine out with his bare hands in one second." He takes a billion bullets and doesn't flinch, while in the previous one he gets shot three times and falls down. Hell, this fat bearded guy had even put up a good fight. When the best part of your movie is a short Sid Haig cameo, your series is dead.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:05 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
dontlivefastjustdie wrote:
The Cabin in the Woods (Finally got around to giving this a proper viewing. Surprisingly good though I thought the ending/reason for the whole thing was dumb.)


This reminds me that I watched this about a month ago but never brought it up here. It was alright, but I think it was a victim of the Whedon-hype (maybe it's because I never watched Buffy or Firefly, but the idolization of the man seems a little far fetched). It wasn't bad I guess, but I don't like how all the really cliche parts were kinda lampshaded (yeah it's cliche on purpose! lol so clever!) and took up a big portion of the movie, while all the new, creative bits were relatively downplayed until the final act. There's this cool conspiracy going on, there are all these things they could do, but nope, really boring cliche undead thing. The last act was really good though (though the ending was kinda flat, I feel), and I wish more of the movie had played with that.

While yes, the cliche parts were just that, I thought the representation of them being orchestrated and all the characters acting in the "typical" horror movie fashion due to the conspiracy's hand in the game was interesting. I totally agree that the final act was the best part... I just really hated the whole ending.

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These acts are happening as some sort of ancient ritual to keep old gods at bay from destroying the earth. It was really painful as soon as they got to the ritual room.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:03 pm 
 

The Package-When a mob enforcer agrees to safeguard delivery of a strange package to his boss' friend, he finds a rival gang of assassins on his tail and tries to keep them from preventing him from doing his assignment so he can leave the business for good. An exceptionally enjoyable offering that manages to get a lot of good out of such a cliche motive for the action to happen here. There's a ton of confrontations here as such a storyline dictates would occur, and when it's as a gunfight this is immensely enjoyable due to the heavy amount of firepower wielded in the scenes as rapid-fire machine-guns, assault rifles and even airplane-mounted guns are brought to bear in the situation which causes a lot of fun. It's when it stops and becomes a series of fist-fights that it loses a little steam as the hero battles simply by throwing fists while the aggressor display enough martial arts manuevers that his triumph doesn't look like him hanging tough and overcoming the odds but rather screenplay contrivance that allows him to continue on or else the movie would be over, and it just feels a little unrealistic. Despite that, they're still fun to watch and keep the energy going to compensate for such a lame reasoning as to why this all occurred, but as long as that doesn't bother you this is a lot of fun.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:29 pm 
 

BastardHead wrote:
(maybe it's because I never watched Buffy or Firefly, but the idolization of the man seems a little far fetched).


So how do you know it's far fetched if you haven't seen what he's best known for then? Cabin in the Woods, while a lot of fun, is really one of his lesser works overall. If that's all you've seen, you're basically getting the diet version of what he's usually doing. Though I'm not sure you'd like any of his other stuff all that much anyway, the question remains.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:42 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
BastardHead wrote:
(maybe it's because I never watched Buffy or Firefly, but the idolization of the man seems a little far fetched).


So how do you know it's far fetched if you haven't seen what he's best known for then? Cabin in the Woods, while a lot of fun, is really one of his lesser works overall. If that's all you've seen, you're basically getting the diet version of what he's usually doing. Though I'm not sure you'd like any of his other stuff all that much anyway, the question remains.


Maybe it's just me, but idol worship usually turns me off if I'm inundated before checking out the work of my own accord. It's why I'm so resistant to ever watching Doctor Who. I realize it's unfair of me to say that, but a lot of the praise for when the film came out seemed to have Whedon's name tacked onto it. Not that that's uncommon for the director to get a huge amount of credit for his/her films, but it still soured me a bit.

Granted, that isn't why I found the movie underwhelming, because I really liked the last act, I just wish the first half of the movie was as engaging/creative.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:53 pm 
 

I'm generally turned away by too much hype and fan love, but, in Whedon's case, a lot of the praise is justified; you have to watch 'Firefly' before you can make a judgement about that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:03 pm 
 

The point is that the hype turned me off so I didn't watch it until it'd been out for about a year, and I thought it had a neat idea but didn't really capitalize on it until the final stretch, which was a bit disappointing. It wasn't a bad movie at all, I just kinda wish there were some changes, that's all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:55 pm 
 

Angel is the best thing Whedon ever did, but Buffy and Doctor Horrible are close. Firefly is also really good, though only about half the episodes really reached the potential it had going. If it had had longer, it probably would have been up there with his other best stuff. If you think really "ironic"/meta/self-parodying stuff is bad, then you probably won't like any of it, but really he does such a great job at creating characters and drama that I can never stay away. I'm just a sucker for that stuff.

World War Z - 0/5

This is horrible. Take the worst zombie movie cliches and do them up with extra incompetence, mumbling dialogue and bland, lifeless character writing. Really with zombie movies it's tough, because you either do something totally avant garde and dramatic or you go the comedic route: anything else is compared to Night of the Living Dead and the other classics. This movie is just the bottom of the barrel. The camera shakes non stop to the point where it feels more like an amusement park ride than a movie (oh and let's not forget the non-stop EXTREEEEME CLOSE UPS, DUDE! shots...ugh, good luck actually seeing anything going on), and everything is so boring and lifeless that I felt myself turning into a zombie as I watched it. The fact that they underused an excellent first-rate actress like Mireille Enos was one thing, but then the shameless Pepsi ad at the end was just the final straw, a huge insult to the viewers they had already been stringing along all movie anyway. It's literally just a slap in the fucking face. A worthless waste of time.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:35 pm 
 

Just finished re-watching Dead Man. Great movie! Jim Jarmusch's slow, atmospheric directing and cryptic dialog is very much in place. Robby Müller's slow shots capture the amazing locations very well. It's a movie that makes sense more through feeling than through thinking, chronicling the protagonist's journey west and toward his own death. The acting is great, there's a lot of really dark humor, and the attention to realism in depicting the Native American tribes was especially appreciated, as was the filthy, brutal vision of the old west. I liked how the violence essentially lacked all drama, instead being very abrupt, decisive, and realistic. Recommended, as long as you're ready for a slow-paced movie and don't go in expecting an action adventure western.
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