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Empyreal
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:24 am 
 

Slither - 3.5/5

I really liked this film years ago when it came out, but I guess I've just seen too many other movies in the intervening years, because this was pretty disposable. I still had some fun with parts of it, and all the actors seemed to be having a blast, but there just isn't a whole lot to really bite into in terms of substance. It's not terribly funny and, while the gore scenes are good and the tension a bit higher than crap like Feast, this is mostly just one of the many cliche comedy/horror films that were all the rage back at the time. Still better than the billion and one Exorcist ripoffs we have now though...ugh.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:11 pm 
 

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I saw Ronin a few days ago on Netflix. A pretty damn good crime thriller starring Robert De Niro and Jean Reno. Good action, good story, and the best damn car chases I've ever seen in a movie.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:41 am 
 

Seeking Justice: This looked like a horrible movie, but I watched it because the premise seemed alright and it has Nicolas Cage. Well, I wouldn't say it's horrible, but it's quite mediocre and doesn't possess a modicum of originality. Cage is good in it, but he can't elevate a predictable script. The first half hour or so is solid enough, turning into basically Death Wish with a twist, but when all the conspiracy stuff starts coming in, it all starts falling apart pretty quickly. The ending has it's own little "forget it, it's Chinatown" nod, but by then I was just waiting for it to end. Not terrible, but or worth watching.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:55 am 
 

Is your Cage-A-Thon going to include that one shitty movie he directed? Because if it doesn't, you clearly have no business Cage-A-Thon-ing.

Also, Stolen, the extremely recent Taken-cum-heist-thriller Cage film, was bad but totally watchable. That one directed by Joel Schumacher with Cage and Kidman, however, was complete garbage, and I say this as the single biggest Kidman fan on this board... possibly net.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:07 am 
 

I've considered Sonny but I don't know. It doesn't strike me one way or another. I might watch it drunk at some point.
Stolen is on Netflix but it looked like the worst thing ever so I didn't plan on watching it. 2011 movie + Cage running on the cover? No thanks.

It's hard to pick a favourite Cage movie, but Bad Lieutenant would certainly be in my top three. If y'all haven't seen that, it's worth it. Herzog harnessed his insanity expertly.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:56 am 
 

Leaving Las Vegas is really good.

I agree about 8mm, pretty terrible film...I liked it when I was about 14 or so but now it's just exploitative, poor-taste crap.
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I watched Zero Dark Thirty for the second time recently and it reinforced my belief that the first batch of critics who saw the film and panned it as a Riefenstahlic glorification of torture came to the screening drunk and hungover after spending the last few days binge-drinking and snorting coke at whatever high-society, pinkies-out parties/film festivals the self-conscious elite of Hollywood hang out at.

For those of you who haven't seen the film yet, and especially for anyone here who is consciously or unconsciously boycotting the film for moral reasons, this is what you need to know about the films depiction of torture or "enhanced interrogation:"

1. It is brutal
2. With one or two caveats, it is highly accurate
3. It gives the impression it was pervasive in the early 2000's
4. It makes the viewer feel complicit in it
5. Most importantly, it doesn't work. The only viable intelligence from the torture program the filmmakers show is procured when the CIA stops torturing one of the detainees, takes him out of the torture chamber, and gives him food. How it is that virtually every allegedly impartial film critic could miss this point is beyond me.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:40 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
Leaving Las Vegas is really good.

That movie was a good Cage movie because Cage was on a couch for most of it. Elizabeth Shue was the one who made that movie great.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:52 pm 
 

A "Cage-A-Thon" sounds like my worst nightmare.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:59 pm 
 

Said me a year ago ^
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:37 pm 
 

PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMn9gvTgMFg


My favorite 80s comedy. So fucking funny.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:21 am 
 

Earthcubed wrote:
I watched Zero Dark Thirty for the second time recently and it reinforced my belief that the first batch of critics who saw the film and panned it as a Riefenstahlic glorification of torture came to the screening drunk and hungover after spending the last few days binge-drinking and snorting coke at whatever high-society, pinkies-out parties/film festivals the self-conscious elite of Hollywood hang out at. For those of you who haven't seen the film yet, and especially for anyone here who is consciously or unconsciously boycotting the film for moral reasons, this is what you need to know about the films depiction of torture or "enhanced interrogation:

Who would consciously boycott this film? Unless you're a left wing-nut who pre-judges films based on your political interests. And when did seeing a film certify that you agree with it? I personally have a hard time understanding why this film should be off limits but World Trade Center and United 93 get the golden tick of approval. I haven't yet seen it but I hardly think it'll raise an eyebrow any more than Unthinkable did.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 11:18 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
PhilosophicalFrog wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMn9gvTgMFg


My favorite 80s comedy. So fucking funny.

I'd rank Airplane! just above it, but they're both legendary.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:51 am 
 

Dead Man: This movie was great. An acid western that appears generally plotless but is really a metaphorical journey towards death, rife with symbolism and allusions. It's subtle, shot in gorgeous black and white, and has a perfect guitar based soundtrack my Neil Young. The scenes are like a series of vignettes exploring different themes, and the ending is beautiful. This is one to think about. But it's also quite drawn out and by no means a western based on action. So if you have no patience for methodical unfurling, pass on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:54 am 
 

The trailer of Hemlock Grove looks good. It seemed all over the place in the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... vlFJmh6ktU

Spoiler: show
But damn, the "transformation" bit towards the end seems pretty credible!


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:19 pm 
 

New trailer for Man of Steel. Well holy shit it looks like Zack Snyder's finally going to be coming out with a genuinely good movie! Watching the trailer and noticing the Malicky way it's shot and the lack of his almost trademarked slow-mo (along with what looks like an actually well written script which I'm almost certain he had no involvement in), color me excited.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 2:22 pm 
 

Chris Nolan and David S. Goyer wrote it.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:14 pm 
 

I dunno, it looks OK, but I'm still not entirely sold on it. It could easily turn out to be a bunch of pretentious nonsense like The Dark Knight Rises or Watchmen/300. Might be Snyder's best yet, but really how much is that saying? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 3:18 pm 
 

PrinceRhaegar wrote:
noticing the Malicky way it's shot

Do you even know what you're saying?
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darkeningday wrote:
PrinceRhaegar wrote:
noticing the Malicky way it's shot

Do you even know what you're saying?

Yep. Looking at cinematography I, personally, am reminded of Terrence Malick. Of course it's not gonna be anything like Malick's movies as far as themes, characters, and plot go, but going purely by how it looks visually I think the styles are similar, especially comparing it to Snyder's previous movies. This mostly has to do with the shots on the farm, and the wagon and young Clark with the cape, and less with the scenes of Superman punching people mid-flight.

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I dunno, it looks OK, but I'm still not entirely sold on it. It could easily turn out to be a bunch of pretentious nonsense like The Dark Knight Rises or Watchmen/300. Might be Snyder's best yet, but really how much is that saying? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Admittedly it's not saying much. And maybe it's just because this is gonna be PG-13, but that alone should keep Snyder from going crazy with his completely over the top violence which is (among a few other things) what ruined Watchmen for me. The fact that Nolan probably restrained him a bit and a score coming from an accomplished composer (seriously did you guys FUCKING HEAR THAT?) instead of that hack Tyler Bates gives me a bit more hope too.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:36 pm 
 

Empyreal wrote:
I dunno, it looks OK, but I'm still not entirely sold on it. It could easily turn out to be a bunch of pretentious nonsense like The Dark Knight Rises or Watchmen/300. Might be Snyder's best yet, but really how much is that saying? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Please explain why The Dark Knight Rises is pretentious, and especially Watchmen considering it's done shot for shot with the comic, which is an intelligently written story that changed the way comics could be perceived and told, a landmark from which countless others have borrowed from since. I've heard numerous times that "there wasn't enough action" and "it was too dramatic" (all from people who never read the book) but nothing ever relating to it being pretentious. I'm assuming you still haven't seen Dawn of the Dead so I don't think you can weigh in too heavily.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:09 pm 
 

volutetheswarth wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
I dunno, it looks OK, but I'm still not entirely sold on it. It could easily turn out to be a bunch of pretentious nonsense like The Dark Knight Rises or Watchmen/300. Might be Snyder's best yet, but really how much is that saying? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Please explain why The Dark Knight Rises is pretentious, and especially Watchmen considering it's done shot for shot with the comic, which is an intelligently written story that changed the way comics could be perceived and told, a landmark from which countless others have borrowed from since. I've heard numerous times that "there wasn't enough action" and "it was too dramatic" (all from people who never read the book) but nothing ever relating to it being pretentious. I'm assuming you still haven't seen Dawn of the Dead so I don't think you can weigh in too heavily.


Watchmen wasn't that pretentious I guess, so much as it was just meaningless special effects crap that kind of missed the point of the book. It's weird because it was basically the same thing as the book, just so much less enjoyable. A lot of gore, a lot of effects, but it was just a lot of huffing and puffing in place of actual meaning. I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it either. I just felt like Snyder wasn't focusing on the message and themes of the book so much as "hey, here's some action and gore!" Like the themes were just in the background.

Dark Knight Rises, same thing; a lot of showing off, a lot of dramatic huffing and puffing, but it was basically ludicrous plot-wise and had no ground to stand on except a few good action scenes here and there. Basically a meaningless movie, too, which is a shame because the other two Nolan ones had very well done themes and plot motifs.
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volutetheswarth wrote:
Please explain why The Dark Knight Rises is pretentious, and especially Watchmen considering it's done shot for shot with the comic, which is an intelligently written story that changed the way comics could be perceived and told, a landmark from which countless others have borrowed from since. I've heard numerous times that "there wasn't enough action" and "it was too dramatic" (all from people who never read the book) but nothing ever relating to it being pretentious. I'm assuming you still haven't seen Dawn of the Dead so I don't think you can weigh in too heavily.


I think people throw that word around when they feel a film was ambitious but didn't quite live up to that ambition. It's a silly criticism to make, because it implies objectivity and one cannot know if the filmmakers were pretending to make films into something they're not (this is similar to the 'is it fair to call songs filler' discussion in the reviews thread).
I never read the graphic novel but I liked Watchmen. Alan Moore wants nothing to do with it, but I'm pretty sure his belief that it is an unfaithful bastardization of an interpretation is somewhat influenced by the state of the comics industry and how he doesn't have any rights to his stories (or something).
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Watchmen, the director's cut at least, was an atrocity. A three-hour wash of parodoxically half-baked yet predigested pseudo-intellectual garbage replete with horrendous overblown performances and some of the worst dialog ever committed to digital celluloid ("screams like an abattoir of retarded children"-- FEEL THE EDGE, MOTHERFUCKERS!@!!1). The original graphic novel, of which I've actually read twice, wasn't much better at all. Alan Moore has no ear for naturalistic dialog and has apparently never learned how to weave exposition into plot action; there's lengthy sections of the novel where people just explain the fucking plot with next to no motivation to do so. It's like a fucking highschool play. Moore is a far, far cry from legitimately great comic book authors like Marjane Satrapi, Daniel Clowes, Harvey Pekar and Art Spiegelman, and it's absolutely depressing he's so often clumped with these revolutionary artists.
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Empyreal wrote:
Watchmen wasn't that pretentious I guess, so much as it was just meaningless special effects crap that kind of missed the point of the book. It's weird because it was basically the same thing as the book, just so much less enjoyable. A lot of gore, a lot of effects, but it was just a lot of huffing and puffing in place of actual meaning. I didn't hate it, but I didn't really like it either. I just felt like Snyder wasn't focusing on the message and themes of the book so much as "hey, here's some action and gore!" Like the themes were just in the background.

I felt the slow-mo was a little overdone the first time I saw it and I still think the sex scene is unnecessary, but the exclusion of the Pirate story was much needed. By no means is it a knock-out movie, the graphic novel is superior, but it certainly isn't as flop worthy as everyone makes out. Considering the movie had been written off as unfilmable for some time, I think the message and the visuals of the book were accurately brought across, sparking deep emotions that registered on a lower level when reading. Plus on subsequent viewings I found the slow-mo to be not nearly as bad as when in the cinema, something about the first time watching that makes it seem longer.

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[quote="darkeningday"] :nono: Comparing Alan Moore with Harvey Pekar, a man that had no variation and only told his life story. Someone who couldn't think up a fictional story if his life depended on it.

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I'd take an uneducated guy writing about virtually nothing over an uneducated guy trying to be (and subsequently thinking he is) Czeslaw Milosz any. fucking. day.

There's a sort of tragic truth to all of Harvey Pekar's works. Daniel Clowes as well. That's the direction I'd like the medium to move in, but it obviously won't because you can't sell a comic book without some sort of fantasy edge today, it seems.
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I've been meaning to read Maus for a long time, my brother highly recommended it to me. The premise sounds really cool.

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Maus is the sort of work that could be framed and put up on display in the Smithsonian, far as I'm concerned. In The Shadow of No Towers is very, very good as well, although it isn't better than Maus.

Since this is primarily a film thread I feel compelled to point out that In The Shadow of No Towers is an infinitely more accurate--and, most importantly, an infinitely more respectful--adaption of the 9/11 tragedy than Oliver Stone's execrable "World Trade Center."
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I like the Watchmen graphic novel, but it certainly doesn't deserve its absurdly high status. I think part of the main reason it got so much attention was that it dealt with fairly serious themes while still appealing to mainstream comic fans way more than something like Maus or Ghost World or Black Hole or Love & Rockets ever would. On the superhero front, Black Summer was probably a better examination of superheroes confronting real-world issues, though it has a lot less commentary on comics themselves.

But yeah, to get back to movies, the Watchmen movie was pretty bad and by inserting all of that slick, ultra-choreographed violence, managed to pretty much totally miss the point of the graphic novel. One thing I really liked about the graphic novel was how it never got all hung up on the heroes' powers, or the battles, or any of that. It was more about them attempting to deal with society than about them vs. the baddie of the day. The movie made it way more actiony, and honestly Zack Snyder just wasn't the sort of person who should have handled it at all. It needed a much more lo-fi touch, not the slick, overproduced shit Zack Snyder is known for.
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darkeningday wrote:
I'd take an uneducated guy writing about virtually nothing over an uneducated guy trying to be (and subsequently thinking he is) Czeslaw Milosz any. fucking. day.

You missed my point. They are entirely different story tellers, one deals with bits and pieces from his own life while the other deals with all walks of fiction, creating dialogue from his imagination, that's like comparing Stanley Kubrick with Judd Apatow or Charlton Heston with Jim Carrey. Anyway, thinking of a fictional character's thoughts and dreams which is entirely new is infinitely more harder than being a sour-puss and complaining about everyday life. I can find Pekar's words on any facebook status update or self-centred blog post, the daily drivel of a debbie downer. A case in point is why Harvey Pekar never did anything that was fiction. I don't even like Alan Moore apart from his work with Watchmen but you're wrong in your utterance of which is better.

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Watchmen was pretty okay, just like that graphic novel is pretty okay. I don't feel nearly as strongly one way or another about it as any of you do. It was overstylized but had a pretty good soundtrack and I still enjoyed myself when I saw it in theatred. If it's on tv, I'm not going to watch it though.

I watched Top Gun yesterday. What an unintentionally gay movie. The theme song is pure classic and gets you pumped up no matter what. It's a really fun movie and I always laugh at how paper thin every single character is. They just go with every cliche in the book. "He's a great pilot but he plays by his own rules, damn it!'' The romantic subplot is just sort of thrown in in a feeble attempt to make it less gay and there's so many "I'll pound his ass!" type moments that the immature part of me couldn't help but chuckle. The dog fights are awesome too.
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Necroticism174 wrote:
I watched Top Gun yesterday. What an unintentionally gay movie. The theme song is pure classic and gets you pumped up no matter what. It's a really fun movie and I always laugh at how paper thin every single character is. They just go with every cliche in the book. "He's a great pilot but he plays by his own rules, damn it!'' The romantic subplot is just sort of thrown in in a feeble attempt to make it less gay and there's so many "I'll pound his ass!" type moments that the immature part of me couldn't help but chuckle. The dog fights are awesome too.

Wow Top Gun. Oh yeah, it's manliness was executed so poorly. What's better than going on a date with your girlfriend? Staying late to play volleyball shirtless with the boyz! That, the nude arm swips, and the patriotism oozed gay out of that entire movie.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:38 am 
 

I would totally suck as a wingman :( I asked ortab to be my wingwoman when she'll visit!

I watched Wreck It Ralph tuesday, it was a quite decent animated movie with cool voice acting (C. Reilly, Alan Tudyk...). I enjoyed the story, it's quite original and can be interesting for grown ups too. The fact there's an AA like meeting for video games bad guys (including Bowser and the pac man ghosts!) is pretty funny. I wanted something light and funny to change my mind and this worked.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:06 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
I watched Wreck It Ralph tuesday, it was a quite decent animated movie with cool voice acting (C. Reilly, Alan Tudyk...). I enjoyed the story, it's quite original and can be interesting for grown ups too. The fact there's an AA like meeting for video games bad guys (including Bowser and the pac man ghosts!) is pretty funny. I wanted something light and funny to change my mind and this worked.


Watched this with the kiddo the other day, enjoyed it thoroughly, and had that Sugar Rush theme song from the credits stuck in my head for days afterwords.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:59 pm 
 

Metantoine wrote:
I watched Wreck It Ralph tuesday, it was a quite decent animated movie with cool voice acting (C. Reilly, Alan Tudyk...). I enjoyed the story, it's quite original and can be interesting for grown ups too. The fact there's an AA like meeting for video games bad guys (including Bowser and the pac man ghosts!) is pretty funny. I wanted something light and funny to change my mind and this worked.


I love this movie so much. My favorite animated film since Up; just a kick ass story and tons of fun to watch. Way better than most adult movies coming out now, even.

Watched Primal Fear last night, becoming one of my favorite 90s movies. Suspenseful and very well acted, even if I'm sure lawyers would call bullshit on a lot of the stuff they do in this movie. I dunno - I love the atmosphere, with the big city murder mystery going on, the religious intrigue and the unfolding plot little by little. Just a goddamned classic. Tonight I plan to revisit A Perfect Getaway and then Mulholland Dr this weekend sometime - will have to fit in some new stuff I haven't seen, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:34 pm 
 

Primal Fear is notable for being the only bearable movie with Richard Gere in it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:53 pm 
 

Looking through his IMDb, I realize I haven't even heard of any of these, let alone seen them. Either way, he's really good in Primal Fear. Nice arrogant ass sort of character that gets some humbling by the end.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:33 pm 
 

Just finished watching Chronicle, and it was better than I expected. I mean, sure, the premise is pretty simple (what happens when you give unlimited power to teenagers? Or worse yet; what if one of them is an angsty milquetoast with tons of pent-up rage?), but it was exciting, had a solid buildup, and the payoff was great. Certainly an example of a well done found footage movie.
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