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StainedClass95
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:55 pm 
 

volutetheswarth wrote:

Despite all that, it's leagues better than any vulgar new-age comedy that merely go for shock value. Back when comedy movies that weren't romantic-comedies had heart and tried to leave a meaningful message.


Would you mind citing some examples? I've seen a decent amount of 70s-80s comedies and they largely alternate between slapstick, light satire, and silly. I really enjoy some of them, but I have some doubts about referring to Young Frankenstein as leaving a "meaningful message."

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:00 pm 
 

I only saw Young Frankenstein once but I didn't care for it really - funny enough, sure, but man did it drag on and on, and I didn't think it was exactly hysterical. I get that it was a product of the time though - I wouldn't really object if someone who was around when it came out called it a classic.

I dunno. For 80s comedy I like Re-Animator on the horror side, and for general comedy, Blues Brothers and Ghostbusters. Maybe if I saw Young Frankenstein again I'd like it better.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:31 pm 
 

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I only saw Young Frankenstein once but I didn't care for it really - funny enough, sure, but man did it drag on and on, and I didn't think it was exactly hysterical. I get that it was a product of the time though - I wouldn't really object if someone who was around when it came out called it a classic.

I liked it. It's more meant to be a direct parody of the original Frankenstein, so that might explain some of the pacing issues.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:47 am 
 

Snowpiercer - After scientists "end global warming by covering the entire Earth in permafrost," the planet is too grim and frostbitten for humans to survive. The only remaining people have spent years living on a train, with the poor people confined to the rear sections.

I would have liked this more if it had been consistently gritty and depressing. Instead, it starts out that way, but as they move forward on the train (or whenever Tilda Swinton shows up) it just gets weird. The ending wasn't totally satisfying either, though I'm not saying I could come up with a better one.

Yeah, I'm mixed on this one. I liked it more than Godzilla, but not enough to fully recommend.
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Remember when the entire forum gave Exigence twelve tons of shit for being in love with Judas Priest, Sabaton, and exactly zero other bands ever? Why don't we do this with James Wan as well? Every post in this thread of his has some allusion to how unspeakably in love with him he is. If you read any of his posts out loud three times while looking in a mirror, Wan will appear behind you, fully erect, wearing an "I <3 Exigence" shirt.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:19 pm 
 

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=56534

Trailer for Avengers - Age of Ultron. It will be awesome of course! Watch it before it's removed.

Official trailer by Marvel. DAMN.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:13 am 
 

Looks great. Pretty dark in tone, but then again the trailer for Iron Man 3 was pretty dark too and it ended up being really light hearted. My most anticipated movie, in any case.
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BastardHead wrote:
Remember when the entire forum gave Exigence twelve tons of shit for being in love with Judas Priest, Sabaton, and exactly zero other bands ever? Why don't we do this with James Wan as well? Every post in this thread of his has some allusion to how unspeakably in love with him he is. If you read any of his posts out loud three times while looking in a mirror, Wan will appear behind you, fully erect, wearing an "I <3 Exigence" shirt.

Who the fuck actually watches James Wan movies?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:12 am 
 

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Who the fuck actually watches James Wan movies?


I've never met an actual fan of horror movies who doesn't hate him. He's the Nickleback of moviemaking. No one you know likes him, but he's still somehow successful.
The only person I ever knew who liked his stuff was a girl who had basically no taste in movies. She liked everything from Grown Ups 2, to Rob Schneider movies, to fucking the Conjuring.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:49 am 
 

80s and 70s (as well as older) comedies were as crap as today's. A couple of good ones, a whole bunch of flicks that might've been good during the time, but are woefully dated later. And of course the unmentionable crap.

BastardHead wrote:
Remember when the entire forum gave Exigence twelve tons of shit for being in love with Judas Priest, Sabaton, and exactly zero other bands ever? Why don't we do this with James Wan as well?


If you read the thread, he's been given shit about it already. It's just that it's a lot more effective to just ignore every single thing he writes rather than give him the attention he craves.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:22 am 
 

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Official trailer by Marvel. DAMN.

It does indeed look good. But I'm past done with epic trailers. It feels like every movie with some action gets this treatment of voice soundbites with fade to black, fade back in, slow-mo, reaction shots of main characters, loud abrasive sound effects with one final reveal of 'super epic moment'. Trailers such as these make my eyes roll, not get excited.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:32 am 
 

Some of my friends like James Wan's shit, but they at least don't try to push it on me like it's the savior of horror or anything. I've said so much about the guy's work already that I don't really care to keep repeating myself all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:21 am 
 

I'm just still in awe of his comment along the lines of "I knew I was watching somebody special when the music dropped out before a big scare" I guess. What? You mean the absolute easiest trick in the book? Yeah, revolutionary maaaaaaan.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:33 am 
 

I mention James Wan (and Blumhouse Productions, which everyone ignored) because they are making movies that all fit the same 'tone' so to speak. These type of movies didn't exist before in the early 2000s or 1990s. I'm a horror junkie (supernatural horror that is, and anything with trademark characters like Chucky, Freddy, etc) so I watch anything that looks promising. Please give me examples of better haunted house movies to watch. Please give me examples of better use of sound (see: Dead Silence) to set a terrifying atmosphere in an empty room. I don't have to love James Wan. If someone does it better I'll be the first say "Man, FUCK WAN! THIS GUY HAS IT!"

But there's no competition for my taste. Who else is trying? Mike Flanagan with Oculus? You got teased with 'ghost in the mirror' and it was just mind tricks with an obnoxious lead and ending you could see coming from a mile away. Then who? Scott Derrikson? Exorcism of Emily Rose is another garbage possession movie (just like the second half of Conjuring, which I hated) and Sinister's best parts are grainy 'found footage' that....like many horror movies...falls apart with an attempt at a twist climax.

As I said, open to suggestion. I love supernatural horror and it's like a drug trying to find the next 'great' one.
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volutetheswarth wrote:
Metantoine wrote:
Official trailer by Marvel. DAMN.

It does indeed look good. But I'm past done with epic trailers. It feels like every movie with some action gets this treatment of voice soundbites with fade to black, fade back in, slow-mo, reaction shots of main characters, loud abrasive sound effects with one final reveal of 'super epic moment'. Trailers such as these make my eyes roll, not get excited.

I agree. I'm probably staying away from this because I want to be surprised totally with Avengers 2. I feel like even seeing cover reveals and a couple trailers was too much for me on Avengers I and I kinda burned out on the Marvel stuff. I still like their single-star movies, though. Captain America 2 was ace, as was Iron Man 3.

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:thumbsup:

I'm done with Avengers style stuff. Like Iron Man 3 was decent because of Shane Black's weird-ball action/comedy, and Thor 2 was tolerable because it was aware of how ridiculous it was...but the Avengers was just kind of annoying. Long expositional story-telling but without any real story (generic good v. generic evil) and then if you complain how the story is stupid, everyone who likes it just yells at you to turn your brain off. It's like, yeah man, I'd LOVE to turn my brain off (a la a movie like Snowpiercer, with its blunt story-telling) but I can't because you keep shoveling this insanely boring story down my throat with long ass monologues explaining the history of everything....BLAH. Not a bad movie, but just really annoying tropes.
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I watch the Marvel movies once - just to stay in the loop so I can see the Infinity Gauntlet finale. I have no desire to watch any of them again.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:12 pm 
 

ChineseDownhill wrote:
Snowpiercer - After scientists "end global warming by covering the entire Earth in permafrost," the planet is too grim and frostbitten for humans to survive. The only remaining people have spent years living on a train, with the poor people confined to the rear sections.

I would have liked this more if it had been consistently gritty and depressing. Instead, it starts out that way, but as they move forward on the train (or whenever Tilda Swinton shows up) it just gets weird. The ending wasn't totally satisfying either, though I'm not saying I could come up with a better one.

Yeah, I'm mixed on this one. I liked it more than Godzilla, but not enough to fully recommend.

It's not really meant as a literal, gritty post-apocalyptic flick, though it'd still be quite interesting regardless if that were the case. I liked the increasingly dreamlike, allegorical quality of it all. This is also pretty cool.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:51 pm 
 

PhilosophicalFrog, watch Edge of Tomorrow!!!! It's the cure for the common coldly focus tested boring-ass comic book crap Hollywood movie.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:53 am 
 

Good read for any naysayers who avoid and write off a Edge of Tomorrow based on preconceived notions of Tom Cruise and non accurate summaries found in trailers: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/edge-of ... mishandled

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Dropped the last word from the URL, bruh. Here's it fixed: http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/egde-of- ... -marketing
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 4:23 am 
 

The reviews for Ouija are pretty funny. Probably a lot better than the movie itself. One of the reviews I read said this:
Naturally, the biggest problem is that it's just not scary. The PG-13 rating clearly has teens in mind, with the logical hope that they'll run out and buy OUIJA boards to try and scare each other at parties.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Of course it's going to make a ton of money though.

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Transformers: Age of Extinction - We've traded Shia LeBeef for Marky Mark, and the action might be slightly more visually coherent than before. But otherwise this is more of the same. Too much Michael Bay goofiness, characters / subplots that should have been left out (the tension between Wahlberg and his daughter's boyfriend added nothing), urban destruction in the finale, and an indefensible 165 minute length.

Switching leading men isn't enough. They need somebody else to direct Transformers 5 to keep things fresh, and to keep the running time in the 120 minute ballpark. I suggest James Wan. :grumble:
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So it's the time of year for us to argue about what's the best/worst Friday The 13th again, innit?
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Diamhea wrote:
So it's the time of year for us to argue about what's the best/worst Friday The 13th again, innit?


The best are 1, 2, 4 and 6, and the worst are Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X. There - all done. ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 12:40 pm 
 

I would add 3 in there, but everything else is right on.

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Hehe, 4 is my favorite, and I find 6 quite overrated. I believe we have had this conversation before though, naturally.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:55 pm 
 

Yes, I think it was Subrick who wrote the definitive Friday the 13th post, about a year ago.

The only ones I own on DVD are Freddy Vs. Jason, if that counts (it was included in my Nightmare on Elm Street collection) and the 2009 remake. I'll probably get part 6 eventually.
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If Subrick starts talking about Jason X, I'm going to murder a small child.

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ChineseDownhill wrote:
Transformers: Age of Extinction - We've traded Shia LeBeef for Marky Mark, and the action might be slightly more visually coherent than before. But otherwise this is more of the same. Too much Michael Bay goofiness, characters / subplots that should have been left out (the tension between Wahlberg and his daughter's boyfriend added nothing), urban destruction in the finale, and an indefensible 165 minute length.

Switching leading men isn't enough. They need somebody else to direct Transformers 5 to keep things fresh, and to keep the running time in the 120 minute ballpark. I suggest James Wan. :grumble:


Nah, Baltasar Kormakur would do a much better job. What they actually need is a different writer, Ehren Kruger just doesn't have the same storytelling prowess that Orci/Kurtzman brought to the first one.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 1:37 am 
 

Yeah, Friday the 13th discussion has been done to death in this thread.

All I'll add is if you like any of the movies watch Crystal Lake Memories posthaste.

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Fury - I went in with fairly high expectations for this film, despite reading the rogerebert.com review, which was underwhelming. I read about how intense and brutal the action was, and in this sense, Fury is superb. It exceeded my expectations with its high tech realistic depictions of tank warfare. I haven't seen a film this good recreating tank warfare, not even close. Apparently for the film they used a real Sherman Tank, which helped with the overall realism. I've been heavily into war films over the last several months so this really hit the spot, so to speak, with what I've been thirsting for. As far as the story, the first half was quite good and I was pleased, however, I thought the story got a bit weak and unrealistic towards the end, which is perhaps my only complaint about the film. The performances were great, especially Brad Pitt, Shia Labeouf and Logan Lerman. Overall, a pretty solid film, but certainly not perfect. If you like war films, I'd recommend it. Especially if you like brutal war films, like the opening scene to Saving Private Ryan, but scattered throughout an entire film.
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chaossphere wrote:
Nah, Baltasar Kormakur would do a much better job. What they actually need is a different writer, Ehren Kruger just doesn't have the same storytelling prowess that Orci/Kurtzman brought to the first one.

A few months ago I would have said "Revenge of the Fallen and Dark of the Moon are lame, but the first Transformers movie is pretty good!" But I re-watched all three Shia movies over a few weeks while part 4 was in theaters, and even the original was worse than I remembered.

The 2007 movie might have had different writers, but it still had many of the problems found in the sequels. That whole subplot with the hackers didn't need to be there, I felt. And the "comedy"? That scene with the Autobots hiding outside Sam's house was painful, and felt like it went on forever. It also took too long for Megatron to show up, excluding flashback scenes. About all Transformers 1 has going for it is the novelty of being first, and the fact that it's "only" 144 minutes.

But while I disagree that O&K did a good job on the first movie's script, I agree with the main point: part 5 would benefit from a new writer as well.
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Event Horizon - 4.5/5 Oh boy. I have a history with this movie. I first saw it with my big brother when it came out in theaters, as a teenager who was a devout Christian, and very easily scared by evil things. I went into it not quite knowing what to expect, and right from the get-go, it terrified me to the core. I could scarcely handle it; I didn't sleep well for about a week afterwards, and I kept listening to Jars of Clay, Steven Curtis Chapman, and other Christian bands to calm my traumatized soul, haha. But years have a way of changing one's ideas about things, and after a long time of keeping this movie at a safe distance, I decided to revisit it a few years ago. I loved it. I watch it from time to time, and one such time was just last night, so I'll give my latest thoughts on it. I think it really holds up as a sci-fi/horror movie, even though its influences (Alien, The Shining) are abundantly clear. Sam Neill does a fantastic job of playing the troubled maker of the Event Horizon who gradually loses himself to its malevolence. That was one thing that bothered me when I saw it as a youngster; I was looking to Mr. Neill to be a comforting character, as he was in Jurassic Park, and then... he betrayed me. :p Some of the dialogue in this movie is rather silly (though not to the extent of Aliens, ugh), and the techno-whatever music that plays during the credits doesn't fit at all, but on the whole this is a supremely freaky and atmospheric movie. I read that the director was forced to cut about 30 minutes of gore, and that footage is now lost; I can only imagine how much more intense the movie would have been had his original cut been kept. Although this film didn't get very good ratings, it's one of my favorites.

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It was definitely W.S.'s best movie, but I'm not really sure how much of a compliment that is. I also think restoring the "lost footage" would only have hurt the film; while I'm sure the footage was indeed gory, that wasn't actually why it was cut. The studio chopped it out because it made the film overlong as well as presenting a wildly inconsistent tone with the rest of the movie; the final act of the film turned into a full-on action movie, with Morpheus et al travelling to hell to literally "kick some demon ass!" Think End of Days without the heavy Austrian accent.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:19 pm 
 

darkeningday wrote:
It was definitely W.S.'s best movie, but I'm not really sure how much of a compliment that is. I also think restoring the "lost footage" would only have hurt the film; while I'm sure the footage was indeed gory, that wasn't actually why it was cut. The studio chopped it out because it made the film overlong as well as presenting a wildly inconsistent tone with the rest of the movie; the final act of the film turned into a full-on action movie, with Morpheus et al travelling to hell to literally "kick some demon ass!" Think End of Days without the heavy Austrian accent.


I don't think it ever turned into an action movie. Morpheus tried to fight Dr. Alan Grant, but they both just got sucked into hell via black hole. No real ass-kicking ever happened. I could see where the cut footage would've hurt the movie, but I'd still like to see it. 30 minutes would've been excessive, for sure, but five or six minutes surely would have been all right. Maybe I'm just trying to wish this movie into the most intensely soul-raping sci-fi/horror flick ever. 'A man can dream... a man can dream.' - Professor Farnsworth

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:04 pm 
 

I prefer everything up until when Sam Neil digs his eyes out. It's a good psychological horror with some thought provoking scenes with Sam Neil and Laurence Fishburne, and the ship playing with the fears of the crew, but during the last quarter it gets thrown it out for an average thriller with a distinct bad guy.

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