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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:59 am 
 

Don't bother with Escape from LA. It's exactly the same movie as Escape from New York but in a different city.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:48 pm 
 

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IMO the best John Carpenter movies are BTiLC, Christine, The Thing, and maybe In the Mouth of Madness. I didn't really like Ghosts of Mars or Vampires (do his fans defend these?), and even some of his supposed classics like Halloween and Escape from New York didn't do much for me. Notable ones I haven't seen are Assault on Precinct 13 (though I saw the remake), The Fog, and Escape from LA.

I saw They Live, but I can't remember much other than the bubblegum line everybody quotes.


I like the atmosphere and gloomy nature of Ghosts Of Mars, but it is not, by any means, a great movie (chrome-ass dubble machine guns!!!). I think John Carpenter does interesting things with atmosphere even if plot/characters/whatever aren't up to snuff. Also, you should like They Live if only because of the amazing fifteen-minute fight scene.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:02 pm 
 

Subrick wrote:
Don't bother with Escape from LA. It's exactly the same movie as Escape from New York but in a different city.

Both movies have their chills and thrills. Both are good movies. I love John Carpenter. If we ignore Memoirs of an Invisible Man, I can find worth in all of his movies pre-Ghosts of Mars (that movie is awful in every way). Vampires is a lot of fun, and has James Woods playing the perfect sleazeball vampire hunter. They Live is, of course one of the best movies ever, and both The Thing and Halloween usually battle for "favourite horror film" in many people's minds. The Fog is kind of a mess in some ways, but is has thick atmosphere and is fun to lose yourself in. The soundtracks to his movies help a lot with that. Assault on Precinct 13 is...okay. You won't lose anything by not watching it, but if you're interested in Carpenter's beginnings, it's worth a gander.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:35 pm 
 

Can you recommend me some documentaries about history of civilization? You know, about egyptians, vikings, persians, barbaric tribes, anything like that?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:26 am 
 

Apparently, Raid 2 is out in certain places. Official date says March 28th.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2265171/

So far the reviews says that it lives up to the standards of the first movie. This is gonna be so badass if that is true.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:45 am 
 

shouvince wrote:
Apparently, Raid 2 is out in certain places. Official date says March 28th.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2265171/

So far the reviews says that it lives up to the standards of the first movie. This is gonna be so badass if that is true.


The director said he wanted to outdo the first and of the few reviews Ive read, he does it. I do find it funny how Stallone said he wanted Expendables 3 to outdo The Raid, when the first two weren't even half of what the first was. That overrated pussy Chuck Norris refused an R rating, which led to cgi blood and no language.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:29 am 
 

Necroticism174 wrote:
Subrick wrote:
Don't bother with Escape from LA. It's exactly the same movie as Escape from New York but in a different city.

Both movies have their chills and thrills. Both are good movies. I love John Carpenter. If we ignore Memoirs of an Invisible Man, I can find worth in all of his movies pre-Ghosts of Mars (that movie is awful in every way). Vampires is a lot of fun, and has James Woods playing the perfect sleazeball vampire hunter. They Live is, of course one of the best movies ever, and both The Thing and Halloween usually battle for "favourite horror film" in many people's minds. The Fog is kind of a mess in some ways, but is has thick atmosphere and is fun to lose yourself in. The soundtracks to his movies help a lot with that. Assault on Precinct 13 is...okay. You won't lose anything by not watching it, but if you're interested in Carpenter's beginnings, it's worth a gander.


I'm really conflicted on Carpenter. On one hand he's been involved in two sub-genre defining films that remain some of the best horror movies of all time in Halloween and The Thing (Slasher and Scifi/Horror respectively.) The Thing is my favorite horror movie of all time and there's some killer stuff in his filmography... Big Trouble, The Fog ('80), Christine, They Live, both Escape movies, Vampires, In the Mouth of Madness). On the other hand he's done some REALLY shitty movies... and going so far as to remake your own work, that just stinks. It's a shame, he obviously has talent and has the ability to create killer atmosphere and quality films... just kinda seems like he's run out of ideas/inspiration, and anyone who is perpetuating the remake fad is pretty much dead to me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:47 am 
 

The Ward proves Carpenter still has it. That's a kick ass movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:11 pm 
 

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The Ward proves Carpenter still has it. That's a kick ass movie.

Is it? The trailer looked like dog shit. Nothing about it seemed even remotely intriguing and the whole premise just seems like the same generic horseshit with some dumb ghost thing and a bunch of jump scares.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:17 pm 
 

It's a fine movie. See it for yourself, it's really quite entertaining.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:16 pm 
 

I completely forgot about The Raid 2. Goddamn, opening day I'll be in the theater, ready as fuck, like a wet girl ready to bounce on a plumped hot dog.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:06 am 
 

Deadfall (1993) - This is a pretty bad movie that I would otherwise not care about, but it has Nicolas Cage in a supporting role, giving the performance of his life. Is it worth watching a 100 minute movie that will bore you whenever Cage is offscreen? Especially when you can just go to Youtube and search "nicolas cage losing his shit" or "nicolas cage deadfall" and see most of the best parts for free? Tough call.

Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers - I told myself I wouldn't watch these, but I needed a backup disc in case Netflix didn't send me that new AIDS flick. I liked it better than Halloween 2, mainly because Danielle Harris is awesome. The movie was still pretty bland overall though, and the "shocking" ending didn't really feel earned or justified in any way.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 12:14 pm 
 

On point with Deadfall. Laughable at best and completely unwatchable at worst when Cage is offscreen.

The Straight Story - 4.5/5

Rather out of character for David Lynch - a straightforward, warm drama based on the real-life tale of an elderly man who traveled a long way on a lawnmower to see his brother, who had a stroke. Richard Farnsworth is magnificent in the lead - funny but also tragic, he will break your heart one scene and make you laugh the next. Sissy Spacek brings a lot of heart whenever she's on screen too. This was just a really enjoyable, touching movie. There were a lot of memorable scenes and the blue-collar kind of drama in the dialogue made it really relatable - it's a film about not missing chances and making amends in your life when it counts. It's simplistic, but there's a lot to like here in the conversations main character Alvin has along his journey as he reveals parts of his past. I actually like this a little better than anything I've seen of Lynch's except Mulholland Dr. Good flick - go see it.
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Jacob's ladder : the best movie ever

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:38 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
Don't bother with Escape from LA. It's exactly the same movie as Escape from New York but in a different city.


Pretty much except worse. Snake surfing is when that movie completely lost me.

By the way, anyone else here besides me catch the reference to Escape From New York in The Simpsons Movie?

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I watched 'Her' yesterday.

I think some of you here would be familiar with the Daisy chatbot from the 90s. At that point when I was a kid, I thought Daisy was pretty cool and perhaps at times, my prepubescent mind would dream of her being an actual person. That's a glimpse of the background and my expectations before starting this movie. "Her" was fairly enjoyable and I must say, I've never seen a better Joaquin role before this. This was a calming and more emotive performance and he did a good job. All the characters are likeable too. With regards to Samantha, the OS, many things seemed quite surreal. But I guess, once you can grasp the nature of how things unfold initially, her AI and her almost human-like adaptive nature, things fall into place. Plot-wise, there's nothing starkly unexpected. A sci-fi-romcom is what best describes it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:21 am 
 

The trailer has been released for the upcoming Xmen movie. Looks pretty awesome as expected, and thankfully it doesn't appear to be another movie all about Wolverine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6acRHWnfZAE
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ChineseDownhill wrote:
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers - I told myself I wouldn't watch these, but I needed a backup disc in case Netflix didn't send me that new AIDS flick. I liked it better than Halloween 2, mainly because Danielle Harris is awesome. The movie was still pretty bland overall though, and the "shocking" ending didn't really feel earned or justified in any way.


I love Danielle Harris too! I don't know about Halloween 4 though...it isn't horrible, and I put it on par with part 2 more or less. 5 is the real shit sundae, so brace yourself for that one if you haven't seen it yet. Hell, I liked the incoherent mess of The Curse of Michael Myers better than that one....
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Halloween 4 and 5 are alright, better than the awful 6 or 8 - but really none of the sequels are worth watching exactly.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:01 pm 
 

6, 7, and 8 are all increasingly greater levels of shit, with 8 in particular being one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's astounding how the excellent original/crappy sequels thing went for Halloween. Of the three big slasher franchises (this, Friday the 13th, and A Nightmare on Elm Street), Halloween absolutely suffered the worst.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:18 pm 
 

Frankly I have a weird soft spot for Halloween 5. Sure the acting blows and there's shit the Myers house looking totally different, but there's still something about it. I always thought it had a sense of dread to it, with young characters in serious peril, and the photography had deep shadows to it, which I liked. A bad movie sure, but a creepy bad movie. But yeah 6, 7 and 8 all blew.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:25 pm 
 

Also, Halloween 3 was really good. Certainly a better movie than anything in the series between 4 and 8.

When it comes to the Rob Zombie movies, the remake I enjoyed quite a bit. The sequel on the other hand? No thanks.
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3 has it's charms. Certainly doesn't entirely deserve the abhorrent reputation it has received.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:26 pm 
 

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but really none of the sequels are worth watching exactly.

Yep, I just stick with 1 and 2, although I actually like the third movie and watch it most Halloweens but that can't be considered a sequel. I personally think they weren't adventurous enough with the sequels and tried to simply duplicate the original while throwing in some gimmick to seem new. Oh look Big Brother meets Michael Myers, I wonder what wacky hijinks they'll get up to. That's why I think H20 was probably the best since the first sequel, because they took away the whole landscape of the original house and neighbouring suburban houses, set it in a college with multiple relatable characters while also providing a not so predictable turn of events with it's final act. Some it is cliche and some of it catered to the Scream trend of self-referential horror movies, but despite all that it holds up quite well compared to the blandness of what came before and after.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 8:37 pm 
 

H2O really wasn't too bad at all. I agree it was way better than those before it. It was a pretty average slasher, but it at least held its own and didn't try to shoehorn in garbage plots like 4-6 and 8 did.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:23 pm 
 

Scream has not held up over time at ALL. Most of these "self aware" horror movies don't age that well. Two of the only types of those horror movies I've seen that are just as good now as they were when I first watched them are The Cabin in the Woods and Wes Craven's New Nightmare. Helps greatly that both of those movies are more than just referencing other movies like the Scream series is.
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I rented Rob Zombie's Halloween II last night. I thought the first one was one of the better re-makes of all these horror franchises being remade in the last decade or so. But this follow-up he did to it, well it was a very nice try to bring something fresh to the series since he had more of a free hand in making this one but it just came off as silly, predictable and heavy handed i.e. the excessive ghost/dream sequences which was something like a homage to Tim Burton and Friday the 13th. Rob Zombie certainly has proven he has cinematic talent behind the camera because there are a lot of awesome visual flourishes and great tension here and with the first film. I think he just needs to work on his story and screenwriting skills. Michael Myers is supposed to be the boogeyman lurking in any shadow. Giving him any sort of depth of character and showing him wander like a hobo kills the horror.


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Subrick wrote:
Scream has not held up over time at ALL. Most of these "self aware" horror movies don't age that well. Two of the only types of those horror movies I've seen that are just as good now as they were when I first watched them are The Cabin in the Woods and Wes Craven's New Nightmare. Helps greatly that both of those movies are more than just referencing other movies like the Scream series is.
H20 isn't self aware to the extent it cracks jokes throughout, but the characters are more grounded in reality and sometimes poke fun at their surroundings, as everyday people do. I think it shares more in common with New Nightmare than Scream, although obviously not as good. New Nightmare successfully made Freddy Krueger scary again, which after him being reduced to coining sigh-worthy one-liners, was by no means an easy feat. I think The Faculty and Urban Legend share the strongest comparison in tone to Scream.

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New Nightmare is solid.

Watched Tremors 2 last night for the first time in years. Forgot just how awful the acting is, awful in a bad way, not an endearing way like Troll 2. Fred Ward is painful to watch and Chris Garten as the "goofy sidekick" is just as bad. Really the only character that isn't totally atrocious is Michael Gross. I remembered liking the evolution aspect of it but the walkers are just such a huge step down in radness from the worms I just couldn't bring myself to give a fuck after the change happened. The practical effects are still good in spots. The worms still look gross and the "birth" scene manages to capture some good atmosphere that the rest of the movie totally lacks (despite the awful dialogue doing everything in it's power to counteract it) but it's all truly down hill after that. I had forgotten that this was after the advent of CGI and it surprisingly doesn't look like total dog shit and is used sparingly but the walkers just suck so it doesn't even matter. Not to mention the absolutely gaping plot hole in that the worms were coming through houses to try and devour the protagonists and ATE A WHOLE FUCKING STATION WAGON in the original and are able to detect vibrations as light as footsteps and an RC car driving around... but they just magically forget where Earl and Grady's truck is once it stops and leave them alone to blast them with dynamite one by one.

I like shitty horror movies but this was shitty in all the wrong ways. The original still rules though.
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New Nightmare successfully made Freddy Krueger scary again

For most of the movie, yes, but then it made the odd choice to go goofy again at the end, with that infinitely long tongue gag.

Still a decent entry in the series though. Of course there was nowhere to go but up after the abysmal Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare.
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Well even the first movie had a little goofiness to some of Freddy's actions, particularly the phone turning into his tongue.
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So I watched You're Next. Sorry, darkeningday, but I'm right in the middle with this one. It didn't have enough tits or even good gore to work well as a fun, throwback slasher/home invasion movie (I'm guessing the budget on this was really low?), the first half-hour was pretty annoying (was the actively bad dialogue and cliches on purpose? Is this trying to be meta?) , and none of the meat bar that survivalist chick (which was a nice twist, I'll admit) was memorable in any way. I'm glad Barbara Crampton's character died so early because she was shrill and irritating. That said, the atmosphere was decent enough in parts, the masks looked creepy, I liked the touch they added of killing the only neighbours (the scene where one of the girls tries to go get help, gets killed, and then the song on the stereo restarts for the umpteenth time is great), and the final girl sequence was the best case scenario for this movie. All in all it's a movie about bad things happening to bad people and it's hard to care enough to praise or condemn it. 5/10
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Well even the first movie had a little goofiness to some of Freddy's actions, particularly the phone turning into his tongue.


True. The interesting thing (in my opinion) is how Freddy's Revenge is the darkest of the first six films. It gets so much hate for the "homoerotic" subtext, but it has a pretty cool atmosphere and a far more interesting concept than the films that revolved around Alice. The third one struck a nice balance between both extremes and is probably the first one to track down after viewing the original. The three that followed are equally abysmal, and for some reason Englund's makeup started to look like shit. It looked like his face was plastered with bubblegum.
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Diamhea wrote:
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Well even the first movie had a little goofiness to some of Freddy's actions, particularly the phone turning into his tongue.
True. The interesting thing (in my opinion) is how Freddy's Revenge is the darkest of the first six films. It gets so much hate for the "homoerotic" subtext, but it has a pretty cool atmosphere and a far more interesting concept than the films that revolved around Alice. The third one struck a nice balance between both extremes and is probably the first one to track down after viewing the original. The three that followed are equally abysmal, and for some reason Englund's makeup started to look like shit. It looked like his face was plastered with bubblegum.
I actually liked Freddy's Revenge. Never thought about it having a homoerotic subtext, apart from the obvious gay bar and towel whipping scenes, until I watched the Never Sleep Again documentary, where it was mentioned and discussed in great detail. Freddy's Revenge was a bizarre trip of a film, incredibly gross transformations and at times almost reinventing the rules of slashers, such as when Freddy emerges at the party and just randomly kills everyone. It's also hard to pin-point what's dream and what isn't, which is a style and atmosphere I would have liked to have seen more of.

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If you dug Freddy's Revenge, you'll enjoy the below quite a bit.

http://staticmass.net/jesses-lost-journals-preface/

This is something called "Jesse's Lost Journal". It's a 68-part series of journal writings by Jesse's actor Mark Patton in-character as Jesse. He describes these as "subtext writings", exploring the themes and events of Freddy's Revenge from Jesse's perspective, as well as events leading up to and following the movie. I'm a total sucker for in-universe stuff like this, so it's a really interesting read.

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In regards to the Nightmare series, Freddy's Revenge is certainly a ton better than the Alice movies and Freddy's Dead (although I'm certain an infected hemorrhoid is better than Freddy's Dead). I'd put it right under Dream Warriors in the grand scheme of the series, although not as close as I'd put Dream Warriors under the first movie; it's one of the only times in horror history I can think of where a sequel was as good and possibly even a little better than the original.

Also, the vein marionette death scene in Dream Warriors is probably the most uncomfortable death in the whole series for me. Just the thought of what's happening to the guy in that scene is incredibly disturbing.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:24 am 
 

Subrick wrote:
If you dug Freddy's Revenge, you'll enjoy the below quite a bit.

http://staticmass.net/jesses-lost-journals-preface/

This is something called "Jesse's Lost Journal". It's a 68-part series of journal writings by Jesse's actor Mark Patton in-character as Jesse. He describes these as "subtext writings", exploring the themes and events of Freddy's Revenge from Jesse's perspective, as well as events leading up to and following the movie. I'm a total sucker for in-universe stuff like this, so it's a really interesting read..
Wow, thanks for the link, Subrick. :thumbsup: I definitely enjoy in-universe stuff when it's from people who helped make it happen. Adds a certain legitimacy that's really worth the time.

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Smoking_Gnu
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 3:49 pm 
 

Speaking of horror movies, I just caught up with the rest of the universe and watched The Blair Witch Project. I guess I can say it wasn't quite what I was expecting; I thought there'd be more focus on building the creepy atmosphere/supernatural elements, while a majority of the tension ended up coming from watching the group fight and grow increasingly desperate. So it was still tense, just didn't end up taking the route I had expected. The final sequence was pretty scary, though.

Granted, that may also have been because the creepiness in the film seemed pretty mundane to me; what was likely scary as hell in 1994 seems pretty bland in today's world of found-footage-horror-overdose. I suppose it's a film that really hasn't aged well, even though it codified the found footage trope and is still better than the majority of Paranormal Activities and their ilk.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 4:57 pm 
 

The Hercules trailer is so awful! (this is the one with Dwayne Johnson)
Spoiler: show

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:28 pm 
 

shouvince wrote:
The Hercules trailer is so awful! (this is the one with Dwayne Johnson)
Spoiler: show

Apart from the cliche fade-to-black repeatedly with epic sound effect, the CGI looks like it's from 2007 or before.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 6:35 pm 
 

Wow yeah that CGI is very apparent.
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