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UnserHeiligeTod
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:06 pm 
 

http://www6.comcast.net/news/articles/w ... .Colombia/

Things are starting to look a bit grim. Chavez's taken his warmongering with the neighboring countries even further.

Spanish source:

http://www.elhispanonews.com/news.php?nid=5557

I fear for the consequences that may come, now that Colombia has broken all relations with Ecuador and Venezuela. Is war upon South America? Thoughts? Opinions?

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Sir_General_Flashman
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 2:52 pm 
 

Looks interesting to me, but probably scares you. Looks like columbia brought doom on itself.
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Veddartha
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:08 pm 
 

The minute he crosses the Colombian border he will give the US goverment an excuse to obliterate his ass, something that will make me very happy.

Although I think that the actions of Colombia in Ecuador are indeed a violation to the Estado de Derecho it was a necessary measure in order to decimate the FARC's power. Besides, its a common fact that Ecuador and our good friends of Venezuela have been hiding FARC members in their countries in order to protect them from the Colombian authorities.

This fuckin' latin american dictators think they can do whatever they want and no one has the right to complain; Porfirio Diaz, Rafael Trujillo, the guys from Argentina and that cunt from Guatemala thought the same way and in the end they got screwed. I hope that this is the beginning of the end for that latino cock sucker that is Chavez. Besides, now he doesn't have Castro's help so he will have a harder time opposing to all latin america and the US; maybe Bolivia will be on his side but they are the lamest country on the continent so no one cares.
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The_Count
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:51 pm 
 

How strong is the Venezuelan military?
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Avestriel
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:53 pm 
 

Pretty strong.

Shit. Everything is going to get fucked and it's a sure thing the U.S. will interfere. And our stupid Argentinians leaders won't keep their mouths shut and we'll pay too. All of southamerica is fucked if a war begins...
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The_Count
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:59 pm 
 

Avestriel wrote:
Pretty strong.

Shit. Everything is going to get fucked and it's a sure thing the U.S. will interfere. And our stupid Argentinians leaders won't keep their mouths shut and we'll pay too. All of southamerica is fucked if a war begins...


At least that is a war maybe more Americans will actually support, Chavez is a complete nut.
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Osmium
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:02 pm 
 

I would oppose a war with or an occupation of Venezuela, but "defensive" missions to assist Colombia certainly appear reasonable.

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swineeyedlamb
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Avestriel
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Osmium wrote:
I would oppose a war with or an occupation of Venezuela, but "defensive" missions to assist Colombia certainly appear reasonable.

Too bad they're never really assist missions.
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Thorgrim_Honkronte
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:14 pm 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
Theatre.


It probably is, but this guy is a bit crazy so I wouldn't be totally surprised if anything actually came of it.
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Cjk10000
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:44 pm 
 

Are they a nuclear power? I do not know the status of any South American countries with nuclear missiles or not.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:47 pm 
 

Veddartha wrote:
The minute he crosses the Colombian border he will give the US goverment an excuse to obliterate his ass, something that will make me very happy.

Not like Chavez cares anyways. He fancies himself as a revolutionary, when in reality, he's nothing but a dirt sucking wannabe and a thug.
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The_Count
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:57 pm 
 

Cjk10000 wrote:
Are they a nuclear power? I do not know the status of any South American countries with nuclear missiles or not.


From what I recall Venezuela was interested in starting a nuclear program for "civil" use but it is not an established one.
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Ramowar
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:28 pm 
 

Don't know much about the politics in the region and Columbia's part in all this, but I would be glad to see Chavez go. Although considering what a rodeo clown this guy is, remembering his devil references in the UN speech, I'm a little suspicious that this may be just rhetoric.

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UnserHeiligeTod
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:34 pm 
 

Veddartha wrote:
The minute he crosses the Colombian border he will give the US goverment an excuse to obliterate his ass, something that will make me very happy.

That remains to be seen. So far, the Colombian government has denied all actual US military interventions in the guerrilla conflict (not that it'd be good for us, and it's not like they can get something out of it either). Still, as Osmium noted, if Chavez actually goes overboard and starts working in cahoots with the FARC and the Ecuatorian military (more than he already has anyway), then the possibility of our goverment requesting help abroad may come to a rise, though I think it would be for the worst.

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Although I think that the actions of Colombia in Ecuador are indeed a violation to the Estado de Derecho it was a necessary measure in order to decimate the FARC's power. Besides, its a common fact that Ecuador and our good friends of Venezuela have been hiding FARC members in their countries in order to protect them from the Colombian authorities.

Indeed. I really don't see how both Chavez and Rafael Correa have the balls to say that the attack made by our military was a "terrorist action", or a "treacherous, murderous attempt". Are they blind or just stupid? We're not dealing with innocent, grassroots activism here, we're dealing with the very source why Colombia has gone down the crapper this last 40 years, we're dealing with a terrorist force that's to blame for thousands, thousands, of kidnappings, murders, arsons, drug-trafficking and government manipulation all over the country. I, as do all the Colombians that actually know just how despicable FARC are, see no further reason to try to reach peaceful conclusions with them, not more that what we have already tried. These are criminals, and should be prosecuted and judged as such.

Avestriel wrote:
Pretty strong.

Shit. Everything is going to get fucked and it's a sure thing the U.S. will interfere. And our stupid Argentinians leaders won't keep their mouths shut and we'll pay too. All of southamerica is fucked if a war begins...

Yes. Chavez, in his lunacy and warmongering, has gathered a massive amount of weaponry and equipment courtesy of his Soviet friends. We are already a fucked up continent, I don't understand why this madman sees the need to fuck it up even more by starting a war. I mean, to a degree, I can understand his reasons why he opposes the American government, and, even though, Colombia as well as all the other South American nations, revere and fear the US (not that they have any other choice), to bring the conflict here is the stupidest, worst choice he could come up with. But we're dealing with a man that actually defends and supports FARC's ideals after all, so...

Osmium wrote:
I would oppose a war with or an occupation of Venezuela, but "defensive" missions to assist Colombia certainly appear reasonable.

I truly hope it doesn't come down to that. Many people in this country would not benefit from an American occupation (or invasion, as they all end up being).

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swineeyedlamb wrote:
Theatre.


It probably is, but this guy is a bit crazy so I wouldn't be totally surprised if anything actually came of it.

No, it isn't. I would have thought the same, but Ecuador's goverment has dismissed the Colombian ambassador, so has Venezuela, and also both have broken all diplomatic relations with Colombia. Chavez is a nutjob, but is a nutjob with power and resources, and, with Ecuador's support, it would be in our best interest to be prepared for anything.

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DeathSpectre
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:21 pm 
 

As long as our dear president keeps his trap shut and us out of the war, I really couldn't care less. Unfortunately, betwen the problems we've been having with Colombia not respecting the marine boundary with Colombia and their navy harassing Nicaraguan fishermen on Nica seas, I don't think that's happening, and Ortega being Chavez's servant, I don't think that happening.

But to answer the question, yes, Venezuela is more than ready to fight Colombia, as long as the US doesn't interfere.

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swineeyedlamb
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Pogo
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:06 pm 
 

I think I'm going to be glued to the news over this. Latin American politics are utterly fascinating.

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GuntherTheUndying
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:16 pm 
 

I think the last thing this world needs is a South American war while Iraq and Afghanistan continue to show the US chomped off more than they could chew.

Not very good news, honestly.
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Pogo
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GuntherTheUndying wrote:
I think the last thing this world needs is a South American war while Iraq and Afghanistan continue to show the US chomped off more than they could chew.

Not very good news, honestly.


I doubt we'd get involved other than through funding. We didn't get actively involved in other South American conflicts, but we did provide support/funding. Example: Pinochet.

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swineeyedlamb
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Avaddons_blood
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GuntherTheUndying wrote:
I think the last thing this world needs is a South American war while Iraq and Afghanistan continue to show the US chomped off more than they could chew.

Not very good news, honestly.


You misunderstand, The reason we are struggling is because we arn't simply at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, but as our God-king puts it "terror".

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Balth
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:02 am 
 

Colombia has the backing of the US, so if there's going to be a conflict (which is unlikely) I don't think there's much doubt Colombia won't be losing it. Unless a socialist power decides to help out Venezuela or something.
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Avestriel
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:00 am 
 

For a while, I thought it was "Venenzuela"
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:09 am 
 

Chances are that if Chavez tries anything funny then it'll be just the excuse the US needs to come soaring in and "save the motherfuckin' day, yeah!"
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Sir_General_Flashman
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:16 am 
 

The U.S. may do something if Chavez does something. If the U.S. tried to stop Chavez they'll be stretching their already thin army even more.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:16 pm 
 

Sir_General_Flashman wrote:
The U.S. may do something if Chavez does something. If the U.S. tried to stop Chavez they'll be stretching their already thin army even more.


Ya, they certainly cannot stretch themselves to wage a land war, I don't think any of the US populace would support it anyway. But maybe air strikes, or maybe an embargo of some sort.

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Sir_General_Flashman
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:25 pm 
 

Bush just said he doesn't support acts of aggression by Venezuela. Ha! Hypocrite.
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I like Chavez he's the new Castro, pissing off yanks in their own back yard...more eloquent diplomacy later!

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WhiteKnight
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:26 pm 
 

I am Venezuelan. I think there will be no war if other countries do not support Chavez,
alone is not going to do anything because he is a big coward that runs whenever
that is cornered. Also in this country no one is going to support a war to defend some
guerrilla offenders, much less against a neighbouring country.

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Svartalf
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

Veddartha wrote:
The minute he crosses the Colombian border he will give the US goverment an excuse to obliterate his ass, something that will make me very happy.

Although I think that the actions of Colombia in Ecuador are indeed a violation to the Estado de Derecho it was a necessary measure in order to decimate the FARC's power. Besides, its a common fact that Ecuador and our good friends of Venezuela have been hiding FARC members in their countries in order to protect them from the Colombian authorities.

This fuckin' latin american dictators think they can do whatever they want and no one has the right to complain; Porfirio Diaz, Rafael Trujillo, the guys from Argentina and that cunt from Guatemala thought the same way and in the end they got screwed. I hope that this is the beginning of the end for that latino cock sucker that is Chavez. Besides, now he doesn't have Castro's help so he will have a harder time opposing to all latin america and the US; maybe Bolivia will be on his side but they are the lamest country on the continent so no one cares.


Please, tell us how you really feel...

The US would certainly not take kindly to his invasion of Colombia, but this is just more empty posturing. Chavez is a rabble-rousing douchebag whose only hold on power comes from duping millions of illiterate Venezuelan peasants into the false belief that he actually cares about their squalid, ignorant lives. However, dingleberry on the ass of humanity though he well may be, Chavez wants to hold onto power more than anything else, so I doubt he'd try anything so foolish as to attack Colombia.

As for the U.S. having an excuse, or needing one, the FARC is not the only terrorist organization Chavez supports; he is allied with Iran and there are Hezbollah training camps in Venezuela at his invitation. Rest assured that if Hezbollah uses these as a base to attack U.S. interests or allies, Chavez will likely have started WWIII, and Sukhois or no, Venezuela is well within easy range of all of our stateside strategic bombing assets; they wouldn't even need to refuel.

It seems very, very unlikely it will come to that, as above all else, Chavez is a coward.

However, things appear to be getting interesting, due to some very incriminating information found on laptops captured during the cross-border raid in Ecuador:

http://counterterrorismblog.org/

Pogo wrote:
I doubt we'd get involved other than through funding. We didn't get actively involved in other South American conflicts, but we did provide support/funding. Example: Pinochet.


Not one of our more wonderful moments, but during the cold war, the US would give money/arms to anyone who would swear they weren't a communist.

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The_Soul_Punisher
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I dont understand Chavez.He wants to be a second Fidel Castro.

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The_Soul_Punisher
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swineeyedlamb wrote:
The_Soul_Punisher wrote:
I dont understand Chavez.He wants to be a second Fidel Castro.


You just did.


hehehe,that was weird

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tomcat_ha
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:07 pm 
 

Eh...

Im not sure if the US will help columbia. CIA is basically a cocaine travelling agency and they are benifited with this situation.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:00 pm 
 

tomcat_ha wrote:
CIA is basically a cocaine travelling agency

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Svartalf
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:00 pm 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
The_Soul_Punisher wrote:
I dont understand Chavez.He wants to be a second Fidel Castro.


You just did.


Yeah, but he's Fidel Castro with a budget and no meaningful international embargo (for now); in his relationship with Cuba, he's more like the old Soviet Union in that he's now the person bankrolling Cuba's continued, ossified, outdated existence.

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I think the worst scenario is an US intervention, That will encourage Chavez and their people to deffend from them. The result will be a slaughter, Venezuela taken by the US, as well as their oil, which is their only concern right now (same as in Irak). War against terrorism my ass, US supported every dictatorship in South America in mid/late 20th century, and those were state terrorists.
I think Colombia should say I'm sorry for invading your soil, Eciador should say"ok, but don´t do it again", and Venezuela should stay out of this mess. Lets grow up people!!!
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Svartalf
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:23 am 
 

swineeyedlamb wrote:
Svartalf wrote:
swineeyedlamb wrote:
The_Soul_Punisher wrote:
I dont understand Chavez.He wants to be a second Fidel Castro.


You just did.


Yeah, but he's Fidel Castro with a budget and no meaningful international embargo (for now); in his relationship with Cuba, he's more like the old Soviet Union in that he's now the person bankrolling Cuba's continued, ossified, outdated existence.


Yes, but it's painfully obvious that he wants to be the same figure in transnational Latin culture. Hell, maybe he even thinks he can unite all of Latin America.


Apart from a couple other lefty dinosaurs like Bolivia,and from the posts from S. Americanos here, it looks like he already has, in disdain for him.

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