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pbirv
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:07 am 
 

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Fidel Castro resigns as Cuba's president By ANITA SNOW, Associated Press Writer
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HAVANA - An ailing, 81-year-old Fidel Castro resigned as Cuba's president Tuesday after nearly a half-century in power, saying he will not accept a new term when parliament meets Sunday.

The end of Castro's rule — the longest in the world for a head of government — frees his 76-year-old brother Raul to implement reforms he has hinted at since taking over as acting president when Fidel Castro fell ill in July 2006. President Bush said he hopes the resignation signals the beginning of a democratic transition.

"My wishes have always been to discharge my duties to my last breath," Castro wrote in a letter published Tuesday in the online edition of the Communist Party daily Granma. But, he wrote, "it would be a betrayal to my conscience to accept a responsibility requiring more mobility and dedication than I am physically able to offer."

In the pre-dawn hours, most Cubans were unaware of Castro's message. Havana's streets were quiet, and there was no movement at several party-run neighborhood watch groups in Old Havana. It wasn't until 5 a.m., several hours after Castro's message was posted on the internet, that official radio began reading the missive to early risers.

Castro temporarily ceded his powers to his brother on July 31, 2006, when he announced that he had undergone intestinal surgery. Since then, the elder Castro has not been seen in public, appearing only sporadically in official photographs and videotapes and publishing dense essays about mostly international themes as his younger brother has consolidated his rule.

There had been widespread speculation about whether Castro would continue as president when the new National Assembly meets Sunday to pick the country's top leadership. Castro has been Cuba's unchallenged leader since 1959 — monarchs excepted, he was the world's longest ruling head of state.

Castro said Cuban officials had wanted him to remain in power after his surgery.

"It was an uncomfortable situation for me vis-a-vis an adversary that had done everything possible to get rid of me, and I felt reluctant to comply," he said in a reference to the United States.

Castro remains a member of parliament and is likely to be elected to the 31-member Council of State on Sunday, though he will no longer be its president. Raul Castro's wife, Vilma Espin, maintained her council seat until her death last year even though she was too sick to attend meetings for many months.

The resignation opens the path for Raul Castro's succession to the presidency, and the full autonomy he has lacked in leading a caretaker government. The younger Castro has raised expectations among Cubans for modest economic and other reforms, stating last year that the country requires unspecified "structural changes" and acknowledging that government wages that average about $19 (euro13) a month do not satisfy basic needs.

As first vice president of Cuba's Council of State, Raul Castro was his brother's constitutionally designated successor and appears to be a shoo-in for the presidential post when the council meets Sunday. More uncertain is who will be chosen as Raul's new successor, although 56-year-old council Vice President Carlos Lage, who is Cuba's de facto prime minister, is a strong possibility.

Bush, traveling in Rwanda, pledged to "help the people of Cuba realize the blessings of liberty."

"The international community should work with the Cuban people to begin to build institutions that are necessary for democracy," he said. "Eventually, this transition ought to lead to free and fair elections — and I mean free, and I mean fair — not these kind of staged elections that the Castro brothers try to foist off as true democracy."

The United States built a detailed plan in 2005 for American assistance to ensure a democratic transition on the island of 11.2 million people after Castro's death. But Cuban officials have insisted that the island's socialist political and economic systems will outlive Castro.

"The adversary to be defeated is extremely strong," Castro wrote Tuesday. "However, we have been able to keep it at bay for half a century."

Castro rose to power on New Year's Day 1959 and reshaped Cuba into a communist state 90 miles from U.S. shores. The fiery guerrilla leader survived assassination attempts, a CIA-backed invasion and a missile crisis that brought the world to the brink of nuclear war. Ten U.S. administrations tried to topple him, most famously in the disastrous Bay of Pigs invasion of 1961.

His ironclad rule ensured Cuba remained communist long after the breakup of the Soviet Union and the collapse of communism across Eastern Europe.

Castro's supporters admired his ability to provide a high level of health care and education for citizens while remaining fully independent of the United States. His detractors called him a dictator whose totalitarian government systematically denied individual freedoms and civil liberties such as speech, movement and assembly.

The United States was the first country to recognize Castro's government, but the countries soon clashed as Castro seized American property and invited Soviet aid.

On April 16, 1961, Castro declared his revolution to be socialist. A day later, he defeated the CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion. The United States squeezed Cuba's economy and the CIA plotted to kill Castro. Hostility reached its peak with the 1962 Cuban missile crisis.

The collapse of the Soviet Union sent Cuba into economic crisis, but the economy recovered in the late 1990s with a tourism boom.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:11 am 
 

End of an era indeed. And I thought the prospect of no longer having George W. Bush around was weird, this just feels really strange. Even my parents were little kids when he took power, there's just no way to imagine Cuba without him.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:15 am 
 

Good riddance.

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Bush, traveling in Rwanda, pledged to "help the people of Cuba realize the blessings of liberty."


If Bush ever says that about any place I live in, I am so getting out there.

Damn, it's strange that Castro's gone, very strange indeed. One of the few world leaders I didn't utterly despise. Who ever knew he'd survive endless CIA assassination attempts and live to die of old age, lucky fucker.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:34 am 
 

Holy. Shit.


Get ready, Cuba, you're coming to a sad end.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:47 am 
 

TheDave wrote:
Good riddance.


Oh don't worry, we'll just get another one just like him. Or worse.

Raul Castro is even more brutal than his father and is likely to erase the small concessions that Fidel made to markets and business.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:50 am 
 

I wonder how Castro will be
With a Cuba he will never see
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:57 am 
 

I wonder how Cuba will be
With a freedom they will never see
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:11 pm 
 

I wonder why the Castros must be
A regime that lasts eternally ...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:42 pm 
 

Huge palmface moment.

Utterly bewildered.
Amusing, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:35 pm 
 

Woolie_Wool wrote:
TheDave wrote:
Good riddance.


Oh don't worry, we'll just get another one just like him. Or worse.

Raul Castro is even more brutal than his father and is likely to erase the small concessions that Fidel made to markets and business.

Raul is Fidel's brother. Also, I'd like to see a proof of his brutality.
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I never thought I'd live to see this day, as odd as that sounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:42 pm 
 

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I never thought I'd live to see this day, as odd as that sounds.

Yeah... Though I admit I had the same thought about John Paul II.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:53 pm 
 

Woolie_Wool wrote:
Raul Castro is even more brutal than his father and is likely to erase the small concessions that Fidel made to markets and business.


Typical: not knowing anything about the situation, yet only believing biased one-sided propaganda-information, and repeating it.

Try to get some info on Cuba and Castro that does not come from Fox, CNN and the likes, and you'll see that Cuba and it's leaders are totally different than what your perception of them is. They are no saints, but they definitely are not the monsters the US wants to make them. And the people of Cuba are way better of the last 49 years (and could be even better of without the sadistic embargo) than with a so-called democratic American puppet-government.

And btw, as someone stated above: Raul is the brother, not the son of Fidel, thus making your statement really trustworthy and showing your interest and knowledge of the situation! NOT! (never thought I would quote Anthrax in a political discussion) :-)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:33 pm 
 

Raoul is regarded as more of a technocrat than Fidel. I never thought Fidel would willingly give up power, I thought he'd die in office. I don't think much will change as long as Raoul is around. I think when power passes out of the hands of the Castro family, things will definitely change. The Cubans will become disenchanted with whoever their leader is, and the US will start doing some clandestine activity to further destabilize the regime. Hopefully with better results than the 1293023548945 times they tried to assasinate Fidel and the Bay of Pigs.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:34 pm 
 

A surprise indeed. I thought for sure he'd try to hold onto power until he was on his death bed. He was a bit radical, but I actually think I'm gonna miss him. Lets just try to remember the good times, like when he tripped on national television. Ah...memories.
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You know what I wonder, would Ché battled Castro's regime if he was still alive?
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TheDave wrote:
Good riddance.


Agreed. It's still doubtful anything will change, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:09 pm 
 

Gorgo wrote:
You know what I wonder, would Ché battled Castro's regime if he was still alive?

He would be El Vice Precidente

0kill wrote:
TheDave wrote:
Good riddance.


Agreed. It's still doubtful anything will change, though.

Oh, things will change.....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:11 pm 
 

Avestriel wrote:
Gorgo wrote:
You know what I wonder, would Ché battled Castro's regime if he was still alive?

He would be El Vice Precidente

Hmmm, then why he left Cuba?
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He had something on the stove
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Gorgo wrote:
Avestriel wrote:
Gorgo wrote:
You know what I wonder, would Ché battled Castro's regime if he was still alive?

He would be El Vice Precidente

Hmmm, then why he left Cuba?


Well Che wanted to spread his guerrilla tactics to other countries like when he went to Africa and Bolivia, he was supposed to go back to Cuba but Fidel told the CIA where Che was and well we all now what happened there.

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Alrightie, thx for the info.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:21 pm 
 

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Hopefully with better results than the 1293023548945 times they tried to assasinate Fidel and the Bay of Pigs.


Almost like a live action Roadrunner cartoon- with the US as Wile E. Coyote.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:32 pm 
 

Jaja, so I read that Cuban exiles in Miami are celebrating already, they probably can't wait to go back to Cuba and exploit the working class there, since they can't do that in the U.S.

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maxxpower wrote:
Gorgo wrote:
Avestriel wrote:
Gorgo wrote:
You know what I wonder, would Ché battled Castro's regime if he was still alive?

He would be El Vice Precidente

Hmmm, then why he left Cuba?


Well Che wanted to spread his guerrilla tactics to other countries like when he went to Africa and Bolivia, he was supposed to go back to Cuba but Fidel told the CIA where Che was and well we all now what happened there.


Except Castro didn't tell CIA where Che was, if there is one reason Castro should be blamed for Che's death is that he didn't really try to keep very close ties with him after he left Cuba and didn't give him any protection.

I really have no reason to believe Castro is this monster U.S. makes him out to be, though I must say I'd like to see some more liberal socialists inherit the government now. Also I dont understand why U.S. is looking at this like a victory, the man reigned for 50 years basically told U.S. to go fuck themselves and survived numerous attempts on his life and then stepped out on his own so he can go and enjoy his remaining days if anything Fidel was the victor in the end.
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I predict that soon we will hear the news of his assassination or sudden death...some can really hold a grunge.

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Noisenoir wrote:
I predict that soon we will hear the news of his assassination or sudden death...some can really hold a grunge.


His death is immanent and that is why he stepped down, he is dying soon anyway but I don't see why he would be assassinated...
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I don't think Raul will be reigning for long as he's 76. One of the son-in-laws is likely to take their place when the time comes.
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Knjaz_Milos wrote:
Woolie_Wool wrote:
Raul Castro is even more brutal than his father and is likely to erase the small concessions that Fidel made to markets and business.


Typical: not knowing anything about the situation, yet only believing biased one-sided propaganda-information, and repeating it.

Try to get some info on Cuba and Castro that does not come from Fox, CNN and the likes, and you'll see that Cuba and it's leaders are totally different than what your perception of them is. They are no saints, but they definitely are not the monsters the US wants to make them. And the people of Cuba are way better of the last 49 years (and could be even better of without the sadistic embargo) than with a so-called democratic American puppet-government.

And btw, as someone stated above: Raul is the brother, not the son of Fidel, thus making your statement really trustworthy and showing your interest and knowledge of the situation! NOT! (never thought I would quote Anthrax in a political discussion) :-)


I got the family relation mixed up, as I followed this a few years ago and kind of lost interest. I remember a quote from him where he explicitly said that he wanted to kill the small business program that his brother set up.

EDIT: Googled it, found it right here:

Raul Castro wrote:
el comercio particular del producto o del servicio que presta-, tiende al individualismo y no es fuente de conciencia socialista

Rough translation: "Any commerce in products or services for a price, provided by individuals, is not acceptable in socialism."

http://www.cip.cu/webcip/libros/p_espec ... -0013.html

Really, I have to ask you this--if Cuba isn't so bad, why are people still trying to escape? Why does the Cuban government basically ruin the lives of anyone who does try to get out? Why do people still risk being fucked over by the Cuban government? Why are we still flying Coast Guard helicopters off the Keys to catch people in boats?

(I think it's because a lot of Cubans don't want to live in Cuba.)

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Woolie_Wool wrote:
Knjaz_Milos wrote:
Woolie_Wool wrote:
Raul Castro is even more brutal than his father and is likely to erase the small concessions that Fidel made to markets and business.


Typical: not knowing anything about the situation, yet only believing biased one-sided propaganda-information, and repeating it.

Try to get some info on Cuba and Castro that does not come from Fox, CNN and the likes, and you'll see that Cuba and it's leaders are totally different than what your perception of them is. They are no saints, but they definitely are not the monsters the US wants to make them. And the people of Cuba are way better of the last 49 years (and could be even better of without the sadistic embargo) than with a so-called democratic American puppet-government.

And btw, as someone stated above: Raul is the brother, not the son of Fidel, thus making your statement really trustworthy and showing your interest and knowledge of the situation! NOT! (never thought I would quote Anthrax in a political discussion) :-)


I got the family relation mixed up, as I followed this a few years ago and kind of lost interest. I remember a quote from him where he explicitly said that he wanted to kill the small business program that his brother set up.

EDIT: Googled it, found it right here:

Raul Castro wrote:
el comercio particular del producto o del servicio que presta-, tiende al individualismo y no es fuente de conciencia socialista

Rough translation: "Any commerce in products or services for a price, provided by individuals, is not acceptable in socialism."

http://www.cip.cu/webcip/libros/p_espec ... -0013.html

Really, I have to ask you this--if Cuba isn't so bad, why are people still trying to escape? Why does the Cuban government basically ruin the lives of anyone who does try to get out? Why do people still risk being fucked over by the Cuban government? Why are we still flying Coast Guard helicopters off the Keys to catch people in boats?

(I think it's because a lot of Cubans don't want to live in Cuba.)


Think about it, let's assume your not some rich person who has life made up and stuff, and let's assume you don't live in the U.S., so if the U.S. government assures you that if you swim a couple of miles from wherever you live to the U.S., the government will give you a home, a job , and pretty much your life will be easier and better, wouldn't you escape wherever it is that you live?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:28 pm 
 

Does anything think this will patch up the one-dimensional dispute between America and Cuba?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:31 pm 
 

GuntherTheUndying wrote:
Does anything think this will patch up the one-dimensional dispute between America and Cuba?


Not at all. His brother taking over will not mark a new age of Democracy for Cuba, and the relations between both countries will probably stay the same. Unless the US decide to take Fidel's brother out of power and replace him with someone who will do their bidding.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:09 am 
 

:(

Everybody knows Fidel is the coolest fucking dictator in the world. He's like Boris Yeltsin but a commie and with cigars instead of vodka.

Sorry, WAS the coolest fucking dictator in the world. :(:(:(

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:46 am 
 

Bezerko wrote:
:(

Everybody knows Fidel is the coolest fucking dictator in the world. He's like Boris Yeltsin but a commie and with cigars instead of vodka.

Sorry, WAS the coolest fucking dictator in the world. :(:(:(

I'm sure he's still has dictator-like attitudes with the nurses
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:42 am 
 

Quite intriguing news.

New US president soon
New Pakistani president soon
New Cuban president soon
Already a new French president
Already a new British PM
New Russian president soon
New Miss Germany 2009 soon

Damn, change truly comes our way
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Already new Argentiniant "president".
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That too, excuse me. The difference this time will be whether or not we'll expect good change or bad change with these new leaders.
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Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:03 am 
 

Bad. Bad changes. Already happening everywhere.
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