I don’t know if there is any similar thread, but couple of days I read very interesting story/blog, so I like to share it.

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I very often go on metal concerts or festivals, but what really bothers me is childish/ Beavis and ButtHead type of metalheads (not all of course). I know that MTV created that kind of stereotype about metalheads and many people thinks that vast majority of metalheads are just unwashed, dirty, low IQ uneducated people who only drinks or take drugs (which of course is not true at all). But, on metal concerts I see a lot of people who are only childish posers who wants to be edgy and dress and act like idiots ( I don’t want to be rude, just my opinion). On other hand I see a lot of very smart guys, IT nerds, guys/girls with high education and good jobs who love metal music.

What is your opinion? We all love metal music, but what do you dislike about metal community or music in general?

-Chugging: This is just lazy and insipid non-songwriting, not contributing to an actual riff at all while at the same time, it's a very commonplace epidemic which makes me dislike a fair amount of metal.

-Soloing: Often the nadir of a song and a sorry excuse to reach at least pop music standards of established song lengths; furthermore, allowing the use of above chugging, and oh so very commonplace. Most bands seem to view this as a necessity while it actually just shows their lack of originality.

-That childish "fist in horns" thing: Horribly overused to the point of having attained main stream culture status, and again, completely unoriginal. Disproves people instantly in my book.

-Those ever-repeating same questions and answers in interviews such as "would you say your current label is the best?" or "our current line-up is the ultimate and it's not going to change", "our latest album is our best" etc.

-Cookie cutter logos, artworks, song and album titles

-That old English font aka Darkthrone's true black metal era font

-Black attire

-Wacken festival and all it encompasses

One man black metal. Sure, there are good examples as well but in general I don't like the trend because a band can get my hopes up. They are often focused on everything I like with black metal. But without a real drummer most bands fail completely. Either they choose the worst drum sound ever or they are completely unable to program interesting drum track. Most often it it both of these combined. Just hire a drummer for the recording of the album because the subpar produced drumming really drags down most of these artists.

The over-intellectualizing of metal. For example, just listen to some of the responses these guys give in this interview:



"it can't be ripper all the time, maaan"

What rubbish. Shitty band, too.

A lot of the stuff in the original article rings pretty true. Especially the part about black metal - it's what I was trying poorly to say in that Metallica thread a few days back. There's some wonderful BM music out there, but the fetishization and idolization of these 90s Norwegian guys is just so lame - the over-intellectualizing them, the paying attention to every word they say and every article that's written. It's like paying attention to tabloid pop star news, but worse. I like De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas as much as anybody, but sheesh.

Trying to over-intellectualize metal in the other direction is pretty lame too, mind you - those MetalSucks articles about feminism and whatnot, I never found very convincing or well written or anything. Just seemed like they were trying to talk about very vague, amorphous concepts when I just haven't seen the problem they're talking about in metal any more than anywhere else in society. Maybe I just don't go to enough shows. Who knows.

I think a lot of metal fans are too much of a hive-mind mentality sometimes. Everyone should like what they like, but too often with metal people only seem to look for the bare minimum in terms of quality, so long as it sounds like metal and has the right aesthetics. There's this weird attitude about "hipster" stuff like it's the enemy of some kind. I find it hypocritical of metal fans to be so anti-establishment and so rebellious in attitude, and yet then chastise people for dressing wrong and liking something that got featured in a magazine somewhere. Just so lame to me.

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What I dislike:

- Being childish “edgy“ in young adults and dress like idiot (I am not elitist, but I always respect people with good dress code and original outfit)
- Band names, song and album titles, artworks (Sorry, but I find vast majority of metal names very stupid )
- Going on concerts just to drink, jump around, headbanging without knowing one song and of course fist in horns.
- When “old“ metalheads are talking who is “real or not“ metalhead. What is actually real metalhead? (He take shower everyday, have short and hipster haircut, wear nice and expensive clothes, then he is not real metalhead, lol)
- Think that you are something special just because you don’t listen pop or EDM, or don’t dress like 80% of young population.
- I hate metal bands who are promoting degeneracy (alcohol, drugs, LGBT, feminism, Satanism)
- Bands who are only focused to be just extreme in every sense. Grown up, it is 2016, most of metal is mainstream today. There is no underground.

Neither of those things belong in the same category, and plus, "degeneracy" is a good thing with this type of music. If it means giving a fuck-you to the established norms, anyway...

Troll.

Many metal bands make millions of dollars from “shock the public“ image. For example Cannibal Corpse have 6 million copies sold out from their albums. Do you know how much money is that?

So, how they are anti-established norms? There are many established norms who are very good for society based on natural laws. Why do you think that someone is anti-established norms if he dress like idiots, drink alcohol or take drugs? Nobody gives a shit anyway about those kind of people. No one cares.

Those are the norms established by Hollywood, mainstream media and pop culture. Alcohol and drugs are the norms established by government and big business. The only thing that isn't an established norm is Satanism.


I don't like the general trend today that people who are into metal nowadays do everything to try to be accepted by society and try to get rid of everything they think they should be ashamed of in the view of society. No long hair, people don't like that. No vests, no denim, no leather, people don't like that. No beer, no moshpits, no horns, people don't like that. Just want to listen to metal but still be loved by the boss and the colleagues and the random strangers in the supermarket. People want to listen to metal but not be a metalhead because they have zero self-esteem about showing they're into it because the whole subculture is viewed as embarassing. Sorry but I have zero understanding or tolerance for it, if you don't have the backbone for showing what you're into then it's best you hide it entirely, don't even post on metal forums or talk to anyone about you supposedly being into the music.


Better dress like an idiot than be an idiot. No one cares about you, yes. If you have no passion for what you do then it's pointless for you to do anything at all.

@droneriot

Leather and skinny jeans were also established by pop culture/mainstream media and gay glam metal.

Why you think that people who dress nice, look nice are idiots and clowns?

So, this band is not enoguh metal, just because they look ’normal’ and casual? Oh, and they wear The Beatles shirt.

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Strongly disagreed. I can't help that I happen to like the sound of distorted guitars and aggressive toilet gurgles - it's just ingrained in my head at this point. I don't think that enjoying those sounds means I have to subscribe to a host of other cultural elements of the genre, at the expense of how I appear to friends and colleagues and people in public. Not having long hair or dressing like an "outsider" isn't a sign of low self-esteem, it's a sign of being aware that not everyone around you listens to Archgoat and tempering your appearance in light of that. And I'm certainly not ashamed of my interests, I wear death metal shirts out in public all the time and talk about such bands passionately regardless of what I'm wearing. If you set out to intentionally defy every norm for the sake of things you enjoy, then you should anticipate a very marginalized life... which may very well be what you want, but certainly you realize the value of being able to blend into "normal" society.

As for me, my main beef with metal is the fact that shitheads like to treat it as a safe space to espouse whatever hateful bullshit they're keen on peddling. Remember how many people started whining about how oppressed Craig Pillard was when Disma got boycotted because Craig is a white power/Nazi type? And how many people said something along the lines of "What did you expect, it's death metal, there's no place for pussies here"? Like sure, use metal as your "escape" from the humdrum of everyday society and interaction or whatever, but don't try to mask your legitimately hateful beliefs under the guise of "escapism" when you know damn well you would reintegrate segregation or realize a second Holocaust if you actually got your way.

I have short hair and don't always dress very metal/rock. I have some clothes that look pretty metal/rockish but not the bulk of it, and I don't tailor my whole identity to metal either. I don't think that makes me 'afraid' of metal or trying to fit in... I think it's MORE metal to just dress however you want and not try to fit some sort of stereotype. If you dig the leather and long hair, go ahead; me, I don't care for it all that much and it isn't really 'me.' Metal should be about the freedom to be however the hell you want.



Yes, this is a very good point and I agree. One of the shittiest parts of extreme metal culture these days. Fuck the "anti-PC" brigade - if you're some kind of Nazi or a racist, you can go fuck yourself. Extreme metal's more about escapism by way of horror lyrics, space, mysticism, ancient cultures, etc; not white power hate groups or something. That stuff is garbage.

@Empyreal

Just like many from NS/Fascist point of view see metalheads like anti-social misfits without any actual meaning in life(not my opinion). I remember somewhere that Varg Vikernes said that he will not play metal anymore, because he see metal like product created and infiltrated by Jews and Hollywood.

National Socialist were never ’racist’ ( they were racial realist). Those retarted tattooed Skinheads are also creation of Hollywood and mainstream media. Do you know that 60% of SS divisions were non-Aryans?

So, what is the problem if some metalheads identify with European culture and roots? (just like many in Europe do)

"Racial realism" is just poorly-veiled racism backed up by misconstrued and outdated scientific reports and old misconceptions. There is nothing inherent in reality that should lead somebody to be a "race realist" in the sense in which it's commonly used.

In a bubble devoid of any other context, identifying with one's cultural roots is fine, but many people proud of their European heritage are also proud of the fact that Europe has managed to dominate or marginalize other cultures and they cite this historical domination as evidence of the inherent superiority of Europe's people. It's easy to see where things become racist from there.

I don’t want to go off-topic, but Europe was attacked many times by Mongols, Chinese, Arabs, Turks and killed many Europeans, took a lot of innocent young childrens and women to be their slaves. Why SJW don’t complain about that? I don’t see that Arabs and Turks teach their kids everyday about Arab or Turkish guilt just like Whites are brainwashing daily. Every race/nation have part in slave history. And of course. Just read about Social Darwinism. Every race and nation that have ability to be leader will colonise the world by one or another way.

Yup, context doesn't matter at all and everything from those historical days is the same as it is now. Never think about anything any closer and don't apply nuanced thought to different situations. Now you've got it.

Joxy, I'm going to PM you my response so as not to derail the thread.

Nationalism is step one to the World Government. It's funny the former claims to oppose the latter, when the first step to the latter was to take tribes and communities and aggregate them into ever bigger and more anonymous behemoths of nations. Humans aren't made to live in communities of 20 or 100 or 500 million people, humans are made to live in communities of hundreds or thousands. If you are a nationalist, you support the 7 billion people World Nation in the long run.

Nationalism gets worse and worse, back in the day it used to be they claimed some stranger from the other side of Germany was my brother and I should fight for him, nowadays with modern racism we get that pan-Aryan bullshit that claims some strangers from East Russia, Ireland, Australia and South Africa are my brothers too and I should fight for them. Wtf? I have zero relation to these people.

Nationalism is step back to the World Goverment. Nationalism was and always will be anti-globalism.

Yes, I agree with you that you don’t have something with someone from East Russia, South Africa, Ireland (in genetic sense you have a lot common with them, but that is another story), but you don’t have something either with someone from Africa or Asia too. Even far less.

Wow, this thread went to hell quickly. What a surprise!

Joxy has been banned.



Yikes...

These ANUS-type troll threads have gotten out of hand. Maybe we should start disallowing any member from starting a new topic outside of select boards until they have ~50 posts or something.