I'm fucking sick and tired of the Antifas censoring Industrial artists. There is (or rather, used to be) a really cool Martial Industrial one-man project called Striider. The guy decided to put the project to rest a while ago because he was putting together a concert and was getting threats from the Antifas. Here's the message he posted on his Facebook page:

The past few days have been very tough and hard. I feel like I've let all of you down, but please understand I am no nazi, I do not support genocide of Jews nor do I support the destruction of countries, peoples and systems. I am no fascist, I am very open minded.
Striider was born out of fun, the interest for music and history. I wanted to show the people the pain of soldiers.

But, since I was told there would be big problems with the concert I began to frighten, this was not what I had in mind! Now the Antifa is writing about me, that was not the goal of Striider.
Before things go out of control I made the decision of quitting with Striider. I don't want any problems and mean no harm.

Because of the usual stupidity of these idiots, we lost a band that made great music. When will the madness end?

Not really sure what you're implying here, since what you're so focused on has little do with anti-fascists and more to do with basic human behaviour. It's sadly unfortunate, but people do galvanize against one another on assumptions, founded or unfounded. Not really a "madness" so much as another aspect of being human.

But if Striider feels inclined to disband because of it, well that's his prerogative. It's not the first or the last band that has split-up for reasons outside of their music, silly or not.

Ideological and moral supremacy always sanction this type of behaviour and oppression of any kind. For there to be a visible good, there must also be a visible bad. The bad must then be expunged at all costs in order to uphold whatever ideals have been deemed infallible. This never changes, regardless of what stage in the historical development we're at. The only difference is who is wielding power at the moment that gets to dictate what is "right" and "wrong".

How does Antifa justify using the same styled behaviors to prevent issues ...as those they are supposedly saving us all exposure to/from?


Fire to extinguish fire hey?
Makes sense to some group totally retarded I guess.

antifascism is cool and all nazis should be crushed into powder

^That pretty much sums it up. It's not even about ideology, it's a fashion statement. Like being in a gang, but for emo kids who just discovered anarchy.

I know this is entirely irrational and most likely wrong, but I constantly have this creeping suspicion that Antifa is made up at least partially of neonazis attempting to drive various communities further towards far-right politics by making non-racists seem like thoughtless knee-jerk dipshits.

I do agree.




P.S: Some years ago, I went to see Nokturnal Mortum 1 hour drive from home. I show was cancelled because of antifa threats. Fuck! It's music for fuck's sake!

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It's a shame the nazis were so aesthetically pleasing, methinks the allure of the weirdo classical bent is what attracts so many people. very few are trying to emulate uglier fascists.

All nazis are basically powder by now anyway, maybe a handful of extremely old bastards but certainly every member of the National Socialist German Worker's Party are dead.

Anti-fascism is cool; antifas are assholes.

Is there a single anti-fascist who understands that fascism is a economic system and not scary misogynist cis white boogeymen marching in jack boots?

Uh, Void, it's not an economic model. It's a form of nationalism; one which - surprise, surprise - embraces militarism, conservative social values (and those lovely gender roles), totalitarianism, and palingenesis (essentially, national "rebirth" however you might define that). The economic model that fascist states have traditionally followed is a mixed nationalist model that isn't isolated to just a fascist ideology. If you are going to "victimize" fascism, you could at least do your research.

It's... not? It's a political system, not an economic one. The hell are you talking about?

My you're quite the sharp, biting satirist, aren't you? Perhaps your gifts would be better suited to a YouTube comments section; it's pearls before swine 'round these parts, clearly.

this post requires a "trigger warning." See above for reasons

Well, if there's a "trigger" for idiocy and ignorance, I suppose you're right.

Yeah. Telling somebody that they're incorrect isn't the same as being 'triggered.'

I remember that one, it sucked so much. But was it true that NK stated that black people were not allowed in their concerts? the comment itself was stupid as fuck, but if you say this you can expect some hate against you.

Those anti-fa and NS groups are just the same. I mean, same aesthetics and same intolerance and violence, who gives a fuck if they support Hitler, Stalin or the unrealistic idea of anarchy.

Frame this.

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Think of them and their methods what you want, but saying they're the same in these regards is just factually incorrect.

Yeah because as you know, anti-facists have deep philosophical and ideological ties to the most vicious and ruthless tyrant who ever lived: The Anti-Hitler! (not to be confused with The Anti-Pope)

False equivalence is false.

Comparing Anarchists with Nazis (Or "National Socialists" or whatever) is fucking stupid.

And it doesn't change the fact they still are assholes.

that's very stupid


uhhh the ideology is seamlessly entwined with the economics, they didn't just happen to make 'the nation as an organic entity' racist, racism is the logical endpoint of it.


one of these groups killed millions and began the most devastating war in human history, the other likes to feed the ducks while standing in front of a 'don't feed the ducks' sign. most of the similarity in aesthetics is because fascists have always taken aesthetics from other movements. i don't think you'll find any anarchists who support noted communist joesph stalin


*in an extremely stoned voice* what if there were like, neo nazis


they're chill actually

Their intolerance and violence are just the same. I dont give a shit to their ideologies if they only know to put in practice with violence and intolerance.

I DO know that their ideologies are very different but in the end they behave like intolerant people.

No ideologies are compared. Only the attitude of both groups.

Unfortuantely though, facism/communism and other totalitarian doctrine differs from the untested idea of anarchy in a very simple and devastating way, in that the enaction of totalitarianism has had great negative consequences, whereas the idea of anarchy has only ever existed hypothetically.

I like some martial industrial and I appreciate the aesthetic, having a mild interest in military history, but I think its disengenuous of these artists to claim innocence in regards to not forseeing the consequences of their actions. IMO, people can be nazi's, racist, facists, communists, whatever; it is the individual's choice to be stupid; but their is no excuse for being surprised that controversy follows obtuse attempts to be controversial. Unless it is clear that an artist is being satirical, such as Laibach, it shouldn't come as a surprise that stupid people will misunderstand them or take them at face value. I think its pretty weak for this guy to back away from his art. He tried to shock people with his visual and sonic aesthetic and it worked; he is responsible for his own actions and understanding the conseuqneces of his actions too.

It's NOT. We did answer you.


That quote wasn't mine, man.


I did understand you.


That's true. You can NOT jump into the bandwagon and expect NO consequences.
Edit: In the past, you could and that was not right but things got way out of hand.
I don't see ANY problem if we're talking about music with fantasy lyrics and thematics (just like videogames and violence).
The problem is when REAL politic gets involved.

I wasn't talking about ideology, Paganbasque. How often have you heard of antifa using physical violence against people who weren't neofascists or cops? Coincidentally those groups are also known to use violence against antifa. When was the last time you heard of some antifa beating up a philosophy prof for teaching Kant (who was a horrible racist, or so some claim) as opposed to, for example, heckling his lectures? Apart from that antifa are known to damage property, i.e. inanimate objects. Of course this isn't comparable to the violence neonazis promote and perpetrate against ethnic groups, homosexuals, the homeless, political enemies, religious minorities etc., which are human beings.

Regarding the use of black fashion and disguises as proof of aesthetic equivalence means you don't understand how protests or fashion work. By the way did you notice every metal gig is filled with antifa and neonazis?

The equivalence of bipolar political extremes is a myth that is supposed to promote the self-proclaimed political "center", which consists of neoliberal market extremists.

all the antifa lobbyists seem to be taking a "with us or against us" stance. Yes, by comparison, The 3rd reich is a worse group of people than antifa (Shattered my whole world. Who would have thought??). You people can sleep easy though because, somehow, i doubt anyone here is actually a fascist.

just because some of us think antifa is a bunch of whack-jobs, doesnt mean we side with fascism either. Not sure why that's such a hard pill to swallow

Congratulations on missing the point and everything else, and making such a nice straw fire.

Also good job not quoting anything or naming anyone! That way nobody will notice you're attacking arguments you made up.

Why? Both Anarchists and Nazis ARE the same as far as normal people are concerned.

I.e. weird nerds who live in a fantasy world which has nothing to do with reality, but which they force upon others by using loud and noisy whining and occasional acts of vandalism and/or violence.

He does have a solid point, inhumanist. I am as far from a Nazi as you can get, yet I find Antifa idiots. Attacking bands just because they happen to have pagan lyrics and thousands of years old runes in their logos, incidentally used by a passing fad called Nazi Germany in their division emblems, and definitely without ANY research into the lyrical themes and meanings of bloody anything, is literally idiotic, black-and-white, and yes, pretty much exactly "with us or against us" thinking.

The above happened to Moonsorrow and Tyr, BTW. Obviously well known Nazi bands, right? I must be a Nazi for liking Moonsorrow, right? Going to see them on Valentine's day, might have to do a few salutes and burn a synagogue, if there's one in Turku. I may need to check Google Streetview for the purpose, methinks. Hmm...

The fact that many people believe a stupid thing doesn't make it less stupid. Let me know when Anarchists start assaulting immigrants and homosexuals.

I agree with the first sentence wholeheartedly. The second one, however... it's OK to assault people who happen to think differently, then? As long as you yourself judge your own position to have moral superiority? OK.

That's not what he said at all, Napero. I have no idea how you got that from his sentence. He's saying that as stupid as the antifas are, at least they don't assault people, so it's wrong to compare the two as equivalent.

I'm quite sure that channel is "Anti racist is code for anti white" garbage, and probably wouldn't take their word on anything regarding Antifa.