The problem is, you seem to think that because all races are equally capable of the same shittiness that large scale systemic racism is mythological or something. An artificial construct maintained by political talking heads seeking ratings and nobodies seeking any kind of attention they can get.

I'm sure you thought that's all you were getting at, but it's fundamentally shallow and merely a way for disgruntled white people to assure themselves that racism (especially their own) isn't a thing anymore. It's a means to avoid talking about a difficult subject, nothing more.

Whatever you want it to be, I guess. For the sake of avoiding thread closure or possible banning, I'm out.

I live near St.Louis and another shooting happened last week, though this one is a bit different.
http://fox2now.com/2014/10/08/fatal-off ... -st-louis/

Really annoying to see all these protests on the news, when we still dont know all the facts, just that a white cop killed a black guy.

This has been on the news for hours, as lots of looting and rioting have taken place. Im in IL and hope it stays over there, but obviously dies down soon.

It seems to me this was announced at pretty much the worse possible hour. That's pretty much the magic hour to start a damaging mass riot.

I'm not a crowd control/riot specialist at all but... couldn't they have limited the damage by announcing this sneakily at, say, 6 am. You get limited violent reaction at that time.

When they announced it at that specific hour, I seriously thought some people would die. I'm surprised nobody did.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphi ... timony.pdf

Grand jury's evidence has been released.

It seems this story brought out the Lawyer Jr. in everyone that uses Facebook.

You say that as if it's a new thing.

(Not laughing at you, just general amusement at how every heavily political matter will bring out all manner of idiots on social media...)

Officer Wilson's story seems a little unbelievable...
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/d ... story-side

Looking at the pictures of Wilson, I'm hard-pressed to believe that he was being murdered by some hulking beast, as he would have us believe.

As a guy that grew up as a kid in the city, I think it's perfectly believable. I've seen tons of angry and insecure kids challenge authority. I've seen kids snap and fight teachers, cops, adults... but that's beside the point.

What I can't believe is that this testimony seems to clearly describe why he shouldn't have used deadly force. He had mace, a baton, and other tools at his disposal and he goes for his gun. While I'm sure it's not easy to think clearly while being beaten in the face, he also makes it clear that at some point he failed to think while he opened the door prepared to shoot the guy. Using a gun is supposed to be the option you go to when you can't resort to anything else. I'm not an expert, but I think rolling up the window or driving away would have prevented or stopped punching pretty effectively. It blows my mind that he shot himself in the foot and still got away with it.

Brown would still be alive if he simply got on the sidewalk and at least listened to the cop and surrendered. This is what I think would have happened:
He tells them to get on the sidewalk, then they do. Wilson then notices that they fit the description and stops them again. Brown and his friend immediately surrender, which would have both of them having their hands on the hood of the car, while back up arrived, if even needed. IF Mike Brown was as good as people say he was, it would have been a minor charge, as it was only $50 in cigarrettes, which I think would have only been a fine.
Instead, he, being 300 lbs and mocking the cop the whole time, attacks him. If Wilson hadnt of shot him, it couldve been a big struggle(maybe even the friend getting involved), with Wilson being overpowered and getting shot.

I guess we would have a chance to know whether your erm... expertly insight has a lick of truth to it if there was a trial.

Wilson confirmed for not a pussy.

Wilson confirmed for being a horrible cop, should enroll in a street gang.

The real winners in this are the police. It's great that despite all the public scrutiny and potential negative press, they went ahead with their original plan of never having an investigation or trial. It's cool that we've reached the point where police can be corrupt and lawless completely in the open. I also applaud their wisdom in letting the riots go on long enough to get them some good press and expanded power/budget, but not so long that it caused any real damage.

I was also impressed by how little rioting there was. If this was any other country you could have expected a lot more. Goes to show how either civil or apathetic folks are around here even those who live in the crappiest parts of the country.

If you're the kind of person who get's a big swell of pride for living in an orderly and civil society, you should compare this to your average riot in Canada/Europe and ask when they're going to get their shit together.

Yeah sad to see Americans forget how to have a good riot so quickly. Was 1992 that long ago?

@John_Sunlight Over 100 businesses have been looted/destroyed.

Am I the only one who thinks Brown deserved to get shot after reaching for Wilson's gun? Didn't they find Brown's blood and tissue along with gun powder inside the vehicle, which confirms Wilson's description?

We'll never really know, it's all swept under the rug now.

i havent heard anyone mention yet either as far as i can tell that brown had the mens rea (guilty mind) when he was stopped by the police. Brown probably looked at the situation from the perspective of "i robbed a store, the police are after me now" so he was aggressive with the cop.i agree the threat should have been stopped, but im sure we all agree that Brown didnt have to die. but still, what do you expect when you punch a cop and reach for his gun

Taking a human life, I assume, is no small deal for a human with a sound mind. I don't know, I've never had to do it. But when you realize your own life is in immediate danger (like someone trying to take your gun while assaulting you through a car window), putting myself in that situation, a switch is flipped in your mind. 'This guy is trying to kill me, right now! Fuck him! Fuck him! I'm not gonna die today!' Once that switch is flipped, I would think it would be damn near impossible to shut off. You would think that police training would include awareness of when a threat is no longer a threat, even if it was not 2 seconds ago, but we will never really know if that was the case with Brown and Wilson. Plus, I don't think that the police actually prepare for that circumstance. They just prepare to recognize the initial circumstance, and do whatever it takes to neutralize it.

no, there are many people who share this opinion

The problem is that everyone has preconceived notions of what they think happened, so everyone twists the story to cater to their beliefs. I personally don't know what happened, so I can't make a judgment of whether he was justified or not. I've heard way too many different stories about what happened, I wouldn't even know where to begin in understanding what actually happened.

Yup. There's no way to tell if he deserved to get shot because we only have one side of the story. That's the end-game truth here.

I guess Dorian Johnson doesn't count, then? (And no, that's not a sarcastic pass).

His story seems a little too bizarre though.

Well all the testimony about Brown being shot from behind and raising his hands and saying "don't shoot" is pretty clearly false at this point. I really haven't paid much attention to further testimony by Dorian Johnson, to be honest.

The prosecutor in the case is also the president of the organization that fundraised money to defend Wilson. I'd say that's a conflict of interest.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/25 ... ng-wilson/

There have been two suspected hate crimes committed against Bosnians living in St. Louis in the last week, one of which was a murder.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/05/ ... ghborhood/


I hope for the safety of everyone there that the local Bosnian population is very low.

Why are all these posts dated from August and September? This shut just happened a couple of weeks ago right? Or....am I just nuts.

No, Brown was shot in August and it was only about two weeks ago that the grand jury came out with the decision that Wilson wouldn't be indicted.

I'd wager that the two victims being Bosnian was just a coincidence. Any white man was an acceptable target for those gangs.

Except this point, "Police say the woman said she thought the crime was racially motivated because the suspects asked her if she was Bosnian."

Isn't that just the best kind of racism? The one you aren't even sure of when you have it?

"Hey look at that guy, I -think- I might hate him. HEY BUDDY, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? What did he say? Smith? Yeah I guess I don't hate him then."

That just bizarre. These aren't hordes of angry Serbs or Croats going after the Bosnians again. Who else possibly has a specific grudge against Bosnians?

So I know this is a bit of an old thread but it's still the same topic, and I don't think it needs to be re-introduced into the FFA thread. The US Justice Department (federal) investigation has now determined that the Darren Wilson shooting was justified. That is, the "hands up, don't shoot!" story never happened. However, they also determined that the Ferguson PD is obscenely racist and is basically a jail/fine/ticket mill preying on blacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/politics/ ... index.html

Every thread on Metal Archives concerning politics:

Every poster who blatantly necromances old, dead threads just post some dumbass 4chan meme shit: suspended.