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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:03 pm 
 

HellBlazer updated the advanced search to encompass album additional notes, which means that there are a lot of options for users to make points legitimately and help out the site in a positive manner.

For starters, here is a list of albums that have raw URLs in the notes (there are over 7000 of these although not all are incorrect).

I would say that nine out of ten of these are just users dumping URLs in a promotional/spamming manner, or due to general ignorance. These notes need to be cleaned up and the raw URLs removed, or truncated properly using HTML if they are legit. Ask me if you need further instruction.

I will add more tasks to this thread based on how successful this is.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:16 pm 
 

New task: Format in the notes. Example: http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... re=#albums
Let's clean the notes and update the format.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:21 pm 
 

Yup that's another good one. "CD" is always redundant as it can now be applied correctly as the format.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:27 pm 
 

Same with release-types, such as "Demo", "Single" and such.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:29 pm 
 

Yes, and for those of you under 1000 points, you can still help by simply flagging reports for these. You still get a point just as if you did the edit yourself once the report is closed.

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EpicDismemberment
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 2:35 am 
 

May be this is a stupid question. How to use HTML?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:10 am 
 

EpicDismemberment wrote:
May be this is a stupid question. How to use HTML?


Concerning the URLS (which should be formatted so that they are actually clickable) it looks like that:

This demo recording is only available through the band's <a href="http://www.someundergroundbandspatheticallyprogrammedhomepage.com">old homepage</a>.

Of course this includes checking if the URL still works and should be present in the additional notes at all.
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Thanks. I'm on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:44 am 
 

NOTE: If the URL is external (points to another website), a good practice is to make it open in a new tab. You can accomplish this by including the following attribute:

<a href="http://www.someundergroundbandspatheticallyprogrammedhomepage.com" target="_blank">old homepage</a>.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 3:56 am 
 

OK, thanks, will do. Now I'm dealing with bandcamp links.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:15 am 
 

EpicDismemberment wrote:
OK, thanks, will do. Now I'm dealing with bandcamp links.


I don't want to forestall the mods but imho bandcamp links that are present in the additional notes of individual releases should be removed for the sake of simplicity. It should be sufficient if a band's main bandcamp site is linked in the "Related Links" section. Someone seconds that?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 6:22 am 
 

Agreed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:06 pm 
 

Per Diamhea, in response to my (many, many) questions:

CD-R, not CDr, CDR, CD-r. Goes in VD ("version description") (and check if release is actually set to CD yet).
Limited edition goes in VD. Moreover, when the number of copies field is filled in, Limited edition should be in the VD (it often isn't)
Cardboard sleeve goes in VD.
Promo goes in VD. As Promo, not Promotional, Promotional CD, Promo CD or what have ye. (In the latter two cases, check if format is set yet)
Digipak, not Digipack. Goes in VD.

All stuff you come across in additional notes a lot when cleaning up, especially when searching for format-in-notes.

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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 12:40 pm 
 

The Red Tower wrote:
EpicDismemberment wrote:
OK, thanks, will do. Now I'm dealing with bandcamp links.


I don't want to forestall the mods but imho bandcamp links that are present in the additional notes of individual releases should be removed for the sake of simplicity. It should be sufficient if a band's main bandcamp site is linked in the "Related Links" section. Someone seconds that?


Yes, but I put "Bandcamp" in the version description to clarify the source of the "digital" version, as it could come from many sources.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:12 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
it can now be applied correctly as the format.


so Metal Archives in earlier times cannot apply format album? :scratch:
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The Red Tower
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 1:40 pm 
 

Paw wrote:
Diamhea wrote:
it can now be applied correctly as the format.


so Metal Archives in earlier times cannot apply format album? :scratch:


This feature was introduced in May 2014. :nods:


Diamhea wrote:
Yes, but I put "Bandcamp" in the version description to clarify the source of the "digital" version, as it could come from many sources.


Yes I do it that way as well.
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Antioch
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 5:28 pm 
 

Diamhea wrote:
I would say that nine out of ten of these are just users dumping URLs in a promotional/spamming manner, or due to general ignorance.


I've always added the bandcamp link as: Available on <a href="URL">Bandcamp</a>.
Such links also appear on that list, and I'm afraid users are going to remove them too.

EDIT: They've started removing them indeed.
A few examples:
Those were links added by either you or me.
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/508152
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/506909
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/511213
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/526121
http://www.metal-archives.com/history/v ... /id/503782

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The Red Tower wrote:
It should be sufficient if a band's main bandcamp site is linked in the "Related Links" section. Someone seconds that?


It would if the bandcamp page (linked in the notes) was always the band's, but that's not the case. Some albums are published online by legitimate labels; others by hosts promoting/helping local artists. Removing the link in such instances will result in the loss of valuable information.

PPS.
- People are just removing links without adding "iTunes", "Bandcamp", etc. to the "version description" field.
- People are simply removing links instead of truncating them properly.
Is this the idea?
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2016 11:35 pm 
 

Bandcamp links are also constantly being deleted and revised, so direct links are oftentimes rendered obsolete. I used to add the direct link (as you did) but I stopped doing this quite a while ago.

Users should be adding the digital source (iTunes, Bandcamp) to the VD, so they need to be notified (which I just did).

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:57 am 
 

Antioch wrote:
It would if the bandcamp page (linked in the notes) was always the band's, but that's not the case. Some albums are published online by legitimate labels; others by hosts promoting/helping local artists. Removing the link in such instances will result in the loss of valuable information.


Good point... On the other hand the label which released the album is (or should be) given at the album's MA page and the label's bandcamp site should be linked via the label's MA page, as it's the case for example with Stormspell Records.

Of course it is valuable information but I think most people should be able to use a search engine and type "band name" "label name" "album name" and thus find the site for (legally) downloading/buying. But maybe I'm damn wrong with this assumption... :scratch:
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:59 am 
 

I've also realized that the count is far lesser than 7000, since the search picks up the links that are even obfuscated by the HTML tagging (properly in many cases). I ran a search for "Bandcamp" and only got around 2000.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:01 pm 
 

Code:
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http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... re=#albums
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:21 pm 
 

The Red Tower wrote:
Of course it is valuable information but I think most people should be able to use a search engine and type "band name" "label name" "album name" and thus find the site for (legally) downloading/buying. But maybe I'm damn wrong with this assumption... :scratch:


That's as maybe, but I had MA's welfare in mind not Google's.
http://www.metal-archives.com/content/support
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Diamhea
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:08 pm 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:


Uh, duh.

There are a lot of variations that can be run through the search to get more results, but not all entries that pop up are invalid. In the "Bandcamp" case, nearly all of them need to be moved to the VD and removed from the notes, so that's a good starting point.
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Antioch wrote:
The Red Tower wrote:
Of course it is valuable information but I think most people should be able to use a search engine and type "band name" "label name" "album name" and thus find the site for (legally) downloading/buying. But maybe I'm damn wrong with this assumption... :scratch:


That's as maybe, but I had MA's welfare in mind not Google's.
http://www.metal-archives.com/content/support


I know... Looks like it's not that easy to find a consensus regarding links to bandcamp in the additional notes (valuable information vs. links becoming obsolete) Don't know if a guideline concerning links in the add. notes in general would be "too much rules"?

I'd say linking to an individual release at a label's bandcamp site is alright if the band hasn't got one, so I second Antioch's opinion. If someone finds obsolete links he should fix/delete/report them (should be a no-brainer, actually).

But I don't make the rules and I personally won't mess around with those links at this point. Just racking my brain a bit...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:46 am 
 

The Red Tower wrote:
Looks like it's not that easy to find a consensus regarding links to bandcamp in the additional notes


If in doubt, follow Diamhea's example, TRT. I'm no rule enforcer either.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 6:39 pm 
 

The Red Tower wrote:
Looks like it's not that easy to find a consensus regarding links to bandcamp in the additional notes (valuable information vs. links becoming obsolete)


Says who? Let's continue clearing the additional notes and entering "Bandcamp" in the VD.
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http://www.metal-archives.com/search/ad ... re=#albums

New task?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:15 am 
 

Hardly. That has been brought up more than once in this thread alone.

Worth a mention for those clearing the Bandcamp URLs from the notes: Don't forget to enter "Bandcamp" in the version description as you clear the notes.
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