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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:43 am 
 

Yeah, okay to send.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:59 pm 
 

Perhaps someone can look at the reports filed by user Ziotopanga? He has a lot of reports for duplicate artists, but they are all draft artists, which I don't think can be deleted, can they?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:24 pm 
 

Looks like they are all connected to drafts for a band that was approved today. There's no need to flag them for deletion since they will be automatically purged after a while. I've told him as much.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:11 pm 
 

Is it OK to delete Last.fm links like this one: http://www.last.fm/music/Sapanakith without any downloads and samples, just with a couple of band photos?

And how about completely deleting "Official merchandise" and "Tablatures" sections from the related links?

Do we really need "Official merchandise" tab now?
They are always cluttering with a completely useless random merch sites like Rockabilia, Bandtees, The Catacombs for big bands and label/distro merch links to a special CD/Vinyl/Patch whatever which often end by "Product not found!11" when clicking them. It's just a useless leftover from a first version of Metal Archives when there was no such many functions and merch sites.

We have "Buy their stuff" option on every band page. Merch can be found on a band's site, official page, eBay, sites like CDBaby and CD Universe etc.

So, this section looks just redundant.

The same about tablatures: in 2002-2005 those links were OK, but now?
They are always the same: 911Tabs, Ultimate Guitar, Songsterr etc. etc. About 20 tab sites in total and they are the same.

How about to delete this section too?

We really need only "Official" and "Unofficial", to be honest. "Labels" section become more and more useless since every band page has a "Current label" status; every label has its own page and additional notes of the albums are full of information which label did the release.

Who think the same way - to remove "Official merchandise", "Tablatures" and "Labels" sections and remain only "Official" and "Unofficial"? These two are really useful: Official - we go directly to the official band site or social network page (Facebook, Twitter), to the samples site (Bandcamp, ReverbNation, Myspace, SoundClick/Cloud, PureVolume, YouTube) when we can find USEFUL information. The same about "Unofficial" - there are so much good fan/memory site with a lot of useful info.

What we can find in other three sections? Just completely shit cluttering more and more every time when someone add useless links to those sections and became "point-whore". Cleaning those sections is an endless process.

Since it's an Encyclopedia Metallum, how about to make it more encyclopedic and remove these random bullshit?

We know that links are not set in stone when the band decided to make another social network page or not paying for the site and it goes offline but can return later but those are about years to live. So, it's easy to control them and make 'em clean.

Please excuse me for this, but this site will looks better without those completely unstable and almost completely useless sections.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:09 pm 
 

Last.fm links - remove them if there isn't any significant content - either downloads or a biography that is more substantial than what is covered by anything on official sites.

I have always hated the mass-linking/almost point-whoring of adding shitty sites like Rockabilia, but considering the value of MA for harder-to-find bands, it is often nice to find smaller distros linked there. However, some don't have individual merch pages, so perhaps we should revise the guidelines on that a bit.

I think the tablature tab is obsolete now, as there are multiple tab search engines and anything out there has been copied and republished on every tab site ever.

The labels tab should absolutely stay there. A lot of bands with longer histories tend to have worked with several labels, as well as having re-releases on others, sometimes regional releases by entirely different labels - as long as the label has a page on them, it's certainly worthwhile to link.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:29 pm 
 

On the label tab subject, I think it appears redundant because instead of linking to, say, Solid State Records' artist bio page on The Showdown (like it's supposed to) unaware users and point whores will simply link to Solid State Records' homepage in the tab instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:21 am 
 

Label question. When a label uses abbreviations in their name, like Antichrist Attack Prod., should we expand the name (as in, Antichrist Attack Productions), or leave the abbreviation? The only other cases I can think of outside Prod. would be any label with Inc., Corp. or LTD., which is pretty rare.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 1:03 pm 
 

Expand it. We should try to keep label names together and consistent, too.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:10 pm 
 

(apologies if it's been asked before) what's the difference between "homepage" and "official website" when adding the band's site on the links tab?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:02 pm 
 

There isn't any. "homepage" is just what's saved in the auto-complete list, so it should be used instead. Not that it matters much, obviously, though prefacing links in the "official" tab with "official" again is kinda redundant.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:10 pm 
 

Actually, "Official website" and "Official site @" are both also saved in the list. But "Homepage" is better about the redundancy thing.
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:39 pm 
 

Oh, I was not aware of that.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:39 pm 
 

actually, the autofill is "Official site @ archive.org", which is redundant as I haven't seen any such "active" links in a long, long while.

but thanks to both of you for your replies :)
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Azmodes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:06 am 
 

Internet Archive can be useful sometimes. Usually, before deleting dead links to websites, I check on there and if it has that page archived (to some useful extent) I change the link to "Homepage @ Internet Archive (month/year)" and add the IA URL.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:54 pm 
 

ah. I didn't think that far... most wayback machine links I have found on M-A were dead so far, but it didn't occur to me to search there for old websites of bands. will do from now on :)

there's plenty of bands on archive.org that are not on M-A, though, mostly from IUMA. some of these might have had a physical release back in the day, but unless it's mentioned in the bio (if there is one), go figure...
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:43 pm 
 

If they have digital albums hosted on IA then that would qualify as a valid release.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:49 pm 
 

well, if only it was as straightforward as that... usually it's just a bunch of tracks with a short bio referencing a release or two, with no tracklisting, cover art or other info. I do have it in mind, though :)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:57 am 
 

another user has raised an interesting point in a private conversation, and I thought I'd ask, just to make sure:

if bands self-release their albums - it often happens that they put a name of a label (one that is ONLY for this particular band) just to give a better impression, but it's clearly not an actual record company (not having any other bands on their roster), shouldn't it "Unsigned/independent" be chosen on the band profile?

please consider all... from small currently active bands, to NWOBHM DIY bands, to Metallica and Megadeth.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:55 am 
 

Was sorta brought up on the previous page: viewtopic.php?p=2330267#p2330267

It's difficult to really distinguish these from outright joke/fake labels, I would guess that it's another of those case-by-case things, though in general I would allow them provided they are at least consistently used and are marked as such on the label page. I will however ask some other mods about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:46 pm 
 

ok, thanks :)

good to know about re-releases under a new (separate page) band name, too...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:56 pm 
 

Since this report was filed, I wanted to ask about this one:

http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/450769

"What a Wonderful World" is surely a Louie Armstrong cover and the track list said that for a while until I removed it months ago. The reason I did is that the lyrics are completely different. It has same melody and rhythm as the original but with all different lyrics, I wouldn't consider it a cover. What's the opinion on this though? I mean, it's definitely based on that tune but "cover" to me would indicate that the majority of it is the same and that's not sure. Should I add it back on though?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:23 pm 
 

I would note it as a cover and specify at the beginning of the lyrics that they were not the original lyrics, and/or add it to the additional notes. If the music isn't original, I'd note it as being a cover. If it's an adaptation/partial cover, I'd note that in the additional notes, like adaptations of classical pieces when used in part.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:10 am 
 

Agreed with Zodi.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:59 am 
 

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Got it. I've done as such. Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:37 pm 
 

Decided to start going through the label pages and sifting out dud or wrongly created entries, merging and properly naming pages, verifying legitimacy, etc. Had two questions. Should I be reporting orphans for deletion, or listing them somewhere that a mod can remove them? And is there a way to find out if a certain label is linked via additional notes? (e.g. {label 1234})
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MetalCuresHeadaches wrote:
Should I be reporting orphans for deletion, or listing them somewhere that a mod can remove them?

As a knight you can delete them yourself.

MetalCuresHeadaches wrote:
And is there a way to find out if a certain label is linked via additional notes? (e.g. {label 1234})

Google.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:52 pm 
 

Obscurum wrote:
As a knight you can delete them yourself.


Never realized that.

EDIT: So, what is the policy on the "Specialized In" field? Is it mandatory to be filled in? I notice a lot of labels end up like Metal Blade (who's field reads "Heavy, Speed, Power, Thrash, Black, Death, Doom, Hardcore") or simply saying "Metal" or "Various". What's the rules for this one?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:40 am 
 

The "specialized in" field is not mandatory, and much like bands' genres, I prefer it to be more simple rather than being a long list. Bigger labels like Metal Blade don't really specialize any more though.

About orphans - don't worry about them too much, we have automated purges that can delete orphan artists and labels more than two weeks old. Deleted/rejected bands still have artists tied to them, but those are cleared every once in a while too.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:42 pm 
 

Ok. For large/major labels like Metal Blade or Warner, would it be acceptable to simply put various? I would rather that a label has something filled in the field if possible, especially if it's well known. Also, I assume that lyrical descriptions are acceptable in that field? (i.e. "Christian Metal" or "NS")
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 6:28 pm 
 

"Various" is not a specialisation. It makes no sense to use that field if the label doesn't focus on any particular genre(s).

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Also, I assume that lyrical descriptions are acceptable in that field? (i.e. "Christian Metal" or "NS")

Yeah, I'd be fine with that.
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So I hardly ever contribute to the main site and I'm unsure about editing the additional notes field for this band http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Bla ... 3540346268. I have another release by the band but unfortunately I have not been able to find a date of any kind for it anywhere so I was just gonna put it in additional notes. My question boils down to this: do I need to submit proof (i.e. a photo of the cd or something) to put it there? I just don't want to add it and have it deleted as false information.
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Erosion Of Humanity wrote:
My question boils down to this: do I need to submit proof (i.e. a photo of the cd or something) to put it there? I just don't want to add it and have it deleted as false information.

Nah, just mention the release in the notes as descriptively as possible. (Without a known year of release, an entry shouldn't be made for it yet.) Just make sure it's the same band and you'll be fine.

Something like this will suffice.
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Ok cool, thank you.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:16 am 
 

What's the website's official policies on "last label" for dissolved bands? If a band breaks up and then a label reissues, say, a boxed set of all their material, is that the last label?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:46 am 
 

This seems to be handled quite inconsistently. Personally, I wouldn't put it as the last "main" label, only for the release(s). There's probably a lot of grey areas.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:52 pm 
 

Generally, the last label ought to be the label the band was last signed on, not necessarily the label that last released some part of the band's material.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:57 pm 
 

Label stuff. 2 Headed Baby Productions is the name that Buzzov•en put on their first demo, Buttrash. Multiple sources have stated that it is little more than a vanity name; there was no company/distribution/promotion, just the name on the back of the demo case. My question is, do we leave the page for the label, or should it be marked as "self-released" on the album page, and simply note the vanity name in the additional notes?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:13 am 
 

A question about album classification:

http://www.metal-archives.com/report/view/id/452339

The user says that the demo should be a full-length, probably because of the long lengths of the songs. However, the band refers to it as a demo on their Facebook page. Does the site go by what the band claims, or by some other standard?

I think this kind of problem was brought up before, but I'm not having any luck finding the related posts anywhere, and I wanted to make sure that the info's right.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 11:31 am 
 

We go with what the band says. The difference between a "proper" full-length and a demo is often something that lies in the artist's perception of the release.
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Tritonus is releasing an updated version of this:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Tr ... ght/219743

Their Facebook page shows a new cover and that it's finally been mixed and mastered. They also state that their original recording is finally available (meaning not previously released). Normally something like this would go into the additional notes, but it seems that the band is saying that this album has yet to be released, even though the archives show this as released back in 2007. The band is marketing this as a new album with material recorded back then.

Does anyone know if this was actually released in 2007 or not? I have mp3's of the 2007 "release", but we all know that doesn't count as an official release.
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