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UtUmNo1
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:49 pm 
 

Greetings all

What I'm chasing is examples of songs where the tempo or percussion changes underneath an unchanged riff.

Examples are the verses of Agalloch's Falling Snow, the second half of Drudkh's When the Flame Turns to Ashes and the middle piece of Nile's Ithyphallic.

Does this make sense?

Thanks.

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Hellbeast11
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:26 am 
 

off my head Zorn's Mordlust

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Erotetic
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:59 pm 
 

I listened to that Agalloch song and couldn't figure out what you were talking about
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UtUmNo1
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:29 pm 
 

Okay, so for a bit of clarity:

At 51 seconds into the song a riff starts with which the drums play a (single) beat for four bars. At 59 seconds the riff continues (while admittedly not remaining exactly the same) and the beat changes to a more of a double time feel with the percussion moving from the hi-hat to the ride.

Hopefully that helps and please forgive my shitty drumming terminology.

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balbulus
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:28 pm 
 

UtUmNo1 wrote:
Okay, so for a bit of clarity:

At 51 seconds into the song a riff starts with which the drums play a (single) beat for four bars. At 59 seconds the riff continues (while admittedly not remaining exactly the same) and the beat changes to a more of a double time feel with the percussion moving from the hi-hat to the ride.

Hopefully that helps and please forgive my shitty drumming terminology.

What you're after is not a change in tempo as such, it's a change from a half-time beat to a double-time beat, or vice-versa. The Agalloch example is a poor one, as all the drummer does is switch from hi-hat to ride, there is no change in time or tempo. The Drudkh example is a better illustration.
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Erotetic
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:51 pm 
 

balbulus wrote:
The Drudkh example is a better illustration.


maybe the Agalloch song is a good example if he's looking for both major changes and basic drum pattern changes.

the latter reminds me of one of my favorite moments in black metal, and it sounds like exactly what he wants, at least on the Agalloch side of things:

http://youtu.be/gOGgxU8krR8?t=1m59s

2:00 (big drawn out build up...you can skip ahead if you want to)
2:23 the beat starts
2:47 hi-hat changes
3:00 changes again
3:11 and finally my favorite variation, with just the right hi-hat in just the right place :)

it's one of those songs that really made me appreciate what good drumming can do.
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UtUmNo1
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:38 am 
 

Mate I'm not sure that really fits the bill but fuck me that song is quite excellent. Thanks for the recommendation.

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