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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:20 am 
 

Perplexed_Sjel wrote:
The two suggestions you've liked most so far are less trip-hop and more other things. :P

I know. But I did ask for "trippy" stuff without necessarily having to be trip hop. The Haxan Cloak for instance is anything but that (and have I told you already to go on and listen to them?! :p).

Perplexed_Sjel wrote:
I didn't suggest Deepchord Presents Echospace, Gas or Deadbeat as part of your recommendation. I just mentioned dark music with beats associated to dub and techno that I like. :P

I realize that, and as a curious being I went on and tried them regardless. Not my kind of thing really, that's all.

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Lost Balance dream pop influenced? I don't think so, no. Sounds like Bristol based trip-hop worship to me. Dream pop is something entirely different!

From what I heard that's the impression I got. I wouldn't call it a full blown electronic version of Cocteau Twins, but a sort of dream pop atmosphere (kind of reminded me of the elements Slowdive also mix in their sound) was mildly apparent. And to be honest the Bristol scene does take some influence from the more "ethereal" schools of the eighties, it just doesn't make them so overtly apparent.

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If you enjoy Blackfilm, how about Subheim? Getting any closer? People say they're somewhat similar.

I will check this out, thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 4:36 pm 
 

I already checked out these ones:

Bowery Electric - Sounds interesting, although I'll have to hear the entire album to understand how (if) the dynamics vary.
The Controls - I couldn't enjoy this one, it was just there playing without anything standing out.
Perry Blake - This reminded me of Rob Dougan, minus the breakbeat and glossy production, albeit a tad more minimalistic. I couldn't find a download link for the debut anywhere though... :annoyed:
Aim - This goes too much into hip hop territory for me to appreciate. I'm not really fond of hip hop, which is weird I know. :p
Unkle - Way too uptempo and cheery, not what I'm looking for.

I also checked out Subheim and you were right, I was sold! That second song you linked... :drool:

I still have to check seven more artists before I can say I heard it all. Phew, this is making me work hard. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 10:59 pm 
 

So no one knows any music similar to Rob and Chloe Alper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcZ0_5LVNQ and Masheaux https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7OcOq2w4_Y (apart from the chorus)? I'm familiar with Fischerspooner, Lady Hawke, La Roux, Vive La Fête, Little Boots and Client. Seems strange no one has a clue considering these acts are much more popular and mainstream than the ambient drone that's being recommended. Then again there's at most three people posting in this thread.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:34 pm 
 

I haven't looked at this thread much, but I discovered a noisecore band the other day called "Noisecore Freak" and really like them and was wondering if anyone knew anything else like that?

I was also hoping to know a little more about the genre of Noisecore and also power electronics (or is it harsh electronics?) and what the differences are and what the important bands from these genres are cause I am not at all versed in them.

Is Merzbow considered Noisecore?

Cause I once heard one of their albums and HATED it and thought it sounded like literally nothing but noise, no music at all, and to me that album at least didn't sound like Noisecore Freak, who actually have guitar and bass.

I'm looking for stuff which has SOME semblance of actual music, but I am interested in learning more about these genres in particular.

The album by Noisecore Freak that I really like is called "Welcome to the Stitchface Scarsitter Experience".

So yeah, I am particularly interested in knowing about more stuff like that.

I also really like Genghis Tron and The Locust...what genres would you guys consider those bands?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:46 am 
 

Noise and Noisecore are two seperate genres, largely unrelated, though there are obviously crossover points.

Noise is (mostly) a purely electronic genre, artists like Merzbow, Masonna, Aube etc. being among the most recognised examples. As the name suggests, it essentially consists of noise, pure and simple, though the spectrum is surprisingly varied.

Noisecore is a term that has had slightly nebulous meanings over the years, but it usually refers to extreme rock-based music (i.e. guitar, bass, drums) with varying amounts of Metal/Punk/Hardcore/Grindcore influences, usually combined with some noisy chaotic elements. Bands like The Locust, Lightning Bolt, Melt Banana, Noxagt are all good examples. In the 90s you could also see bands like Neurosis and Dillinger Escape Plan tagged with the term.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:33 pm 
 

balbulus wrote:
Noise and Noisecore are two seperate genres, largely unrelated, though there are obviously crossover points.

Noise is (mostly) a purely electronic genre, artists like Merzbow, Masonna, Aube etc. being among the most recognised examples. As the name suggests, it essentially consists of noise, pure and simple, though the spectrum is surprisingly varied.

Noisecore is a term that has had slightly nebulous meanings over the years, but it usually refers to extreme rock-based music (i.e. guitar, bass, drums) with varying amounts of Metal/Punk/Hardcore/Grindcore influences, usually combined with some noisy chaotic elements. Bands like The Locust, Lightning Bolt, Melt Banana, Noxagt are all good examples. In the 90s you could also see bands like Neurosis and Dillinger Escape Plan tagged with the term.



Thanks.

So then what bands are in the genre/genres of Power Electronics or Harsh Noise?

I've heard these genres talked about but don't know what they are or what the differences are between them and other styles.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:38 am 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
So then what bands are in the genre/genres of Power Electronics or Harsh Noise?


Power Electronics is a slightly more industrial-edged version of noise; essentially noise with vocals. Whitehouse is the best example, Dominator is another more obscure. recommendation.

Harsh Noise (or Harsh Noise Wall) is pretty much as the name suggests, harsh noise with little or no dynamics. I can't name any specific artists off the top of my head, but I guess the classic Merzbow material (Pulse Demon especially) would fit in this area. A trawl round BandCamp is a good idea.
http://bandcamp.com/tag/harsh-noise


Slugbait's "Medium To Heavy Flow" is another good noise/power electronics album to check out, if you can find a copy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:57 am 
 

balbulus wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
So then what bands are in the genre/genres of Power Electronics or Harsh Noise?


Power Electronics is a slightly more industrial-edged version of noise; essentially noise with vocals. Whitehouse is the best example, Dominator is another more obscure. recommendation.

Harsh Noise (or Harsh Noise Wall) is pretty much as the name suggests, harsh noise with little or no dynamics. I can't name any specific artists off the top of my head, but I guess the classic Merzbow material (Pulse Demon especially) would fit in this area. A trawl round BandCamp is a good idea.
http://bandcamp.com/tag/harsh-noise


Slugbait's "Medium To Heavy Flow" is another good noise/power electronics album to check out, if you can find a copy.



What's Wolf Eyes and Smetnja considered? and are Wolf Eyes shunned by tr00 noise fans cause they're on Sub Pop?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:34 pm 
 

balbulus wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
So then what bands are in the genre/genres of Power Electronics or Harsh Noise?


Power Electronics is a slightly more industrial-edged version of noise; essentially noise with vocals. Whitehouse is the best example, Dominator is another more obscure. recommendation.

Harsh Noise (or Harsh Noise Wall) is pretty much as the name suggests, harsh noise with little or no dynamics. I can't name any specific artists off the top of my head, but I guess the classic Merzbow material (Pulse Demon especially) would fit in this area. A trawl round BandCamp is a good idea.
http://bandcamp.com/tag/harsh-noise


Slugbait's "Medium To Heavy Flow" is another good noise/power electronics album to check out, if you can find a copy.


Thanks, I was also wondering, can you think of any good examples of all three genres mixed with Crust punk?

Meaning, a band that mixed Noisecore with Crust Punk, a band that mixed Harsh Noise with Crust punk and a band that mixes Power Electronics with Crust punk?

I'm thinking some of those combos might be interesting and I've heard that some Power Violence bands mix in either Power Electronics or Hash Noise, though I'm not sure which.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 5:24 pm 
 

Maybe stuff like City Bones?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:32 am 
 

balbulus wrote:
Noise and Noisecore are two seperate genres, largely unrelated, though there are obviously crossover points.

Noise is (mostly) a purely electronic genre, artists like Merzbow, Masonna, Aube etc. being among the most recognised examples. As the name suggests, it essentially consists of noise, pure and simple, though the spectrum is surprisingly varied.

Noisecore is a term that has had slightly nebulous meanings over the years, but it usually refers to extreme rock-based music (i.e. guitar, bass, drums) with varying amounts of Metal/Punk/Hardcore/Grindcore influences, usually combined with some noisy chaotic elements. Bands like The Locust, Lightning Bolt, Melt Banana, Noxagt are all good examples. In the 90s you could also see bands like Neurosis and Dillinger Escape Plan tagged with the term.



This is where you lost me, dawg.

Those bands ain't Noisecore. Sore Throat (depending on the record). early AxCx. Anal Jackson. Pissdeads. THC Eradicus. Gorgonized Dorks. These are "Noisecore" bands... at least in the "traditional" sense that I recognize. It's entirely impossible for me to find a parallel between Lightning Bolt and Disgrace-era ST, I'm sorry...

I can't stand bands like the ones listed always being called Noisecore. It bugs the crap out of me. I don't care that some clueless journalist from the 90's labelled DEP "Noisecore" or something. I still don't consider them as such.

balbulus wrote:
Harsh Noise (or Harsh Noise Wall) is pretty much as the name suggests, harsh noise with little or no dynamics.


HNW has little/no dynamics... but "Harsh Noise" can have a very wide dynamic range. It's not really defined by a lack of dynamics or anything the way HNW is.

I tend to like Japanese Noise artists the most. I think there is a sort of non-ideological purity in "Japanoise", where I see way too much image-obsession and posturing in US/EU noise. People who didn't get that Whitehouse were a joke act trying way too fucking hard to "cop their 'tude", basically. I don't find that in most any Japanese noise. It's a lot "freer" in that sense, and therefore, somehow more intense as a simple exercise in sonic extremity... or whatever. I'm sure it's all purely psychological, but that's how it feels to me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:46 am 
 

Could someone recommend me stuff similiar to Yellow Magic Orchestra's first 3 albums?

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Could anyone recommend me some ambient/drone in the vein of Barn Owl? Especially their abums Lost in the Glare and Ancestral Star?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:53 am 
 

analog_winter wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some ambient/drone in the vein of Barn Owl? Especially their abums Lost in the Glare and Ancestral Star?

Oh man I know a few you would really enjoy. Let me get back tomorrow with that, I'm away from my personal computer at the moment.
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iAm wrote:
analog_winter wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some ambient/drone in the vein of Barn Owl? Especially their abums Lost in the Glare and Ancestral Star?

Oh man I know a few you would really enjoy. Let me get back tomorrow with that, I'm away from my personal computer at the moment.


Excellent. I look forward to hearing your recs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:07 pm 
 

analog_winter wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some ambient/drone in the vein of Barn Owl? Especially their abums Lost in the Glare and Ancestral Star?


You might like some of Tor Lundvall's music, or maybe something a bit more minimalistic, like Tangerine Dream's "Ziet" album. You might also appreciate Cocteau Twin's album, "Victorialand"... None of these are quite on the mark, but they're some things to check if you haven't heard them before.

I enjoy Tor Lundvall a lot, though his songs are all too short:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LReILwkMJ7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtHPZ2DpoDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PyMRarqw1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV-y5eUGD1s
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the_raytownian wrote:
analog_winter wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some ambient/drone in the vein of Barn Owl? Especially their abums Lost in the Glare and Ancestral Star?


You might like some of Tor Lundvall's music, or maybe something a bit more minimalistic, like Tangerine Dream's "Ziet" album. You might also appreciate Cocteau Twin's album, "Victorialand"... None of these are quite on the mark, but they're some things to check if you haven't heard them before.

I enjoy Tor Lundvall a lot, though his songs are all too short:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LReILwkMJ7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtHPZ2DpoDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PyMRarqw1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV-y5eUGD1s


I've listened to Tangerine Dream's "Alpha Centauri," but I'll have to check out "Zeit." I'll have to check out Tor Lundvall.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:20 pm 
 

yes, ZEIT* :oh shit:

(I just saw that I spelled it "Ziet" by mistake)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:44 pm 
 

So about 6-7 years ago I stumbled across this band (or guy) who had two albums out, one sounded like it was recorded inside of a power plant and the second one (I thought was entitled locust, but I'm obviously not sure) sounded like locusts swarming the country side. I believe it was ambient/ field recordings though it's been so long I cannot remember correctly. I'm pretty sure the second album actually had a picture of a locust or some other insect on it as well. As for the band name I have the feeling that it was some sort of chemical name or something. LD 50 comes to mind, but searching that only comes up with a Mudvayne album. Sorry for the vague descriptions, but that's all I can really remember. Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:03 pm 
 

Could anyone recommend me some harsh noise. so far my faves are merzbow-marmo,the rita-skate/snorkel.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:41 am 
 

Here's one I'll throw out there, in the off chance anyone has a recommendation.

I'm seeking dark, synthesizer stuff with throbbing but steady bass note sequences and some dystopian, sci-fi themes and atmospheres. Bridging the gulf between ambient and techno.

Points of reference might be some of the older Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel Jarre, the band Zombi, the Blade Runner soundtrack (Vangelis), the Tron: Legacy soundtrack (Daft Punk) as well as the first few Mass Effect games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAwo7DPUFUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHGvaQMClEo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5u5jl7 ... B33C3BEFAD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH1Vy2h ... 54461B8763

Hope this makes sense, any help would be appreciated.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:37 pm 
 

I assume you're aware of Ashra's "New Age of Earth" album. Might not be dark enough for what you're looking for though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T_hHQ64B54

You might also like some of Maserati's recent material, which fuses this sort of thing with spacey guitar work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGXIjhsDsj0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebGSyqZ379s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LB6AduQYGc
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autothrall wrote:
Here's one I'll throw out there, in the off chance anyone has a recommendation.

I'm seeking dark, synthesizer stuff with throbbing but steady bass note sequences and some dystopian, sci-fi themes and atmospheres. Bridging the gulf between ambient and techno.

Hope this makes sense, any help would be appreciated.


This doesn't sound like any of the stuff you've linked but it certainly reminds me of your description.

This is B12, an ambient techno (also molds itself on the Detroit techno scene) group who could be described as having "dark, synthesizer stuff with throbbing but steady bass note sequences".

Here's a bit of info on the release:

The inventive packaging for the album makes it appear as if TimeTourist is an educational computer game written in a dystopian year 2166 and which looks back on the late 20th century as a primitive and quaint time in the development of mankind.

"Time Tourist, Golding/Rutter's second formal B12 album, transcends these confusing name-game permutations and delivers a solid set of loftily melodic mindscapes, fantastic sci-fi sounds and fancifully funky rhythms."

"The structure of B12's music is based on the heavy influence of the round-shaped, clear and neat detroit techno groovy beat combined to a constant use of large ambient waves of strings, beatless etherean interludes, heavenly harmonic melodies creating the unlimited limit of a sci-fi space. The thematic of Time Tourist is largely inspired from science fiction (the tale written in the booklet and the artwork confirm this) and this is all about the thousand interstellar travels you only make with your imagination, your only starship being music and how music possess your mind. The full result is both deliciously groovy and freshly aerian - somewhere between the smoothest ambient travel and the sophisticated combination of some good tamed heavy bass and an always present beat."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZrb5wlZs7w
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:21 pm 
 

darkened abyss wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some harsh noise. so far my faves are merzbow-marmo,the rita-skate/snorkel.


The Rita... HNW is a hard thing to make recommendations for.

Vomir, Richard Ramirez (who has a lot of HNW/"Wallish" projects, most notably Black Leather Jesus), Flesh Coffin and Griz+zlor (along with his other projects) are good places to begin, though. The first two and The Rita are the "big names", I guess.

Marmo?

Other Merzbow releases you may enjoy + some I just like personally:
Tauromachine
SCSI Duck
Flare Gun
Red 2 Eyes
Various "Merzbox" discs. Personal favorites (of the select few I have heard) include:
Brain Ticket Death
Cloud Cock OO Grand
Hannover Cloud

The Merzbox discs have a lot of "warm", "saturated" production that I really enjoy.

"Peace For Animals" is a much more low-key and "soft" Merzbow release, but the last track has a great murky quality that manages to not just sound like mud. It's got a layer of droning, reverberated sounds and clicking/slow grinding that is something a little like certain layers of the tracks on Marmo, I think.
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autothrall wrote:
Here's one I'll throw out there, in the off chance anyone has a recommendation.

I'm seeking dark, synthesizer stuff with throbbing but steady bass note sequences and some dystopian, sci-fi themes and atmospheres. Bridging the gulf between ambient and techno.

Points of reference might be some of the older Tangerine Dream, Jean Michel Jarre, the band Zombi, the Blade Runner soundtrack (Vangelis), the Tron: Legacy soundtrack (Daft Punk) as well as the first few Mass Effect games.

Hope this makes sense, any help would be appreciated.

Based on your Blade Runner mention, you should check out stuff by Perturbator or Protector 101 (heavily inspired by the Robocop), they pretty much nail that dystopian, neon-infused cyberpunk feeling.
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Cianan wrote:
So about 6-7 years ago I stumbled across this band (or guy) who had two albums out, one sounded like it was recorded inside of a power plant and the second one (I thought was entitled locust, but I'm obviously not sure) sounded like locusts swarming the country side. I believe it was ambient/ field recordings though it's been so long I cannot remember correctly. I'm pretty sure the second album actually had a picture of a locust or some other insect on it as well. As for the band name I have the feeling that it was some sort of chemical name or something. LD 50 comes to mind, but searching that only comes up with a Mudvayne album. Sorry for the vague descriptions, but that's all I can really remember. Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction!


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autothrall wrote:
Here's one I'll throw out there, in the off chance anyone has a recommendation.

I'm seeking dark, synthesizer stuff with throbbing but steady bass note sequences and some dystopian, sci-fi themes and atmospheres. Bridging the gulf between ambient and techno.


try these albums:

Bola - Soup (1998)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLL3cGkw6U

Proem - Socially Inept (2004)
http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Socially+Inept/3590615

Blamstrain - Ensi (2003)
http://store.blamstra.in/album/ensi

Speedy J - G Spot (1995) [audio crackling, I don't know why]
https://soundcloud.com/electric-deluxe/ ... 3-edlxb009
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:28 am 
 

qTp wrote:
Cianan wrote:
So about 6-7 years ago I stumbled across this band (or guy) who had two albums out, one sounded like it was recorded inside of a power plant and the second one (I thought was entitled locust, but I'm obviously not sure) sounded like locusts swarming the country side. I believe it was ambient/ field recordings though it's been so long I cannot remember correctly. I'm pretty sure the second album actually had a picture of a locust or some other insect on it as well. As for the band name I have the feeling that it was some sort of chemical name or something. LD 50 comes to mind, but searching that only comes up with a Mudvayne album. Sorry for the vague descriptions, but that's all I can really remember. Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction!


20.SV?
http://www.discogs.com/artist/20.SV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U31vHTnXEcU



That is exactly it! Thank you very much!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 1:14 am 
 

androdion wrote:
shouvince wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzzh3zqU3qA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLzjsJg ... Y6-BbuWFtp (A playlist)

This is so not what I'm looking for... I mean space rock/shoegaze?! :roll:

shouvince wrote:
I'm not sure what you guys mean by straight-up post rock. Do you mean pure post-rock without the sludgey/metallic/droney influences?

In a nutshell, yes. Post-rock that is recognizably post-rock and not a 50/50 hybrid, but that at the same time retains a great sense of dynamics. Take Mono (which I don't like) for instance. They keep a minimalistic build-up for 5 minutes, then off into a climax and then into a minimalistic passage again. EITS are slightly more dynamic but they still abuse the "rollercoaster" of build-up/release and have a structure that's mostly devoid of riffs.

I think the perfect example of what I'm after (and probably lord_ghengis as well) is stuff like Red Sparowes. Or Pelican sans the sludgey parts.


I know this is an old post but in case you happen to see it and still haven't found much, maybe I can help some.

New Century Classics composes post-rock songs as just that - single songs. The debut album I've heard doesn't play through a full motive like an EITS album. It's really gentle, more beautiful sounding, like something you would listen to while on your porch watching the world pass by or swinging on swing sets at a park. Straight-forward post-rock, no shoegaze, no drone, no sludge, just pure post-rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq_2aFuN2BU

Souvenir's Young America has a heavier vibe to them, almost a metal sound, but nothing sludge or drone, just good riffing and song-structure with layers. I'm not sure if I can describe them well, but I think they're fairly unique and worth mentioning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7gvnV5Elys

Destroyalldreamers is an absolute must for post-rock fans in my opinion. I don't think they have a shoegaze sound (although they do go into some wall-of-sound effects), but more a psychedelic vibe if anything (and I may just be connecting it to an experience of mine). Incredibly powerful, the talent this band has is insane. Nothing can compare to them for me, honestly. The bass in this song is fucking great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXTo_AtIPU

Tangled Thoughts Of Leaving is one of the most unique post-rock bands I've heard, and can go as far as calling them mathcore at times? I'm not sure, but I recommend listening to just out of curiosity. A personal favourite of mine as well, this is really jazzy and mind-bending. At least try to get 4 minutes in, that's where it gets really good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJnEv_TrG3Q

If These Trees Could Talk has a slight post-metal/sludge sound at times.. maybe just a tad bit, but not really. Either way, they're pretty good, have some memorable songs and really know how to work dynamics (I think). Worth looking into.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3yEvKHhwqw

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:50 am 
 

Thanks for taking the time to answer an old request UnholyAnalDeathWorship. I will check those out, can't assure you when though, but I'll still try to give some feedback on them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:17 pm 
 

So I've been listening to a large amount of post-black and shoegaze-influenced black metal bands and would like to be introduced to Post-Rock and/or Shoegaze. Could someone recommend some good introductory albums in those styles?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:25 pm 
 

Adept128 wrote:
So I've been listening to a large amount of post-black and shoegaze-influenced black metal bands and would like to be introduced to Post-Rock and/or Shoegaze. Could someone recommend some good introductory albums in those styles?


Introductory albums to shoegaze:

Slowdive - Souvlaki
My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
Ride - Nowhere
The Verve - A Storm in Heaven
Soda Stereo - Dynamo
Catherine Wheel - Ferment
Kitchens of Distinction - Strange Free World
Swervedriver - Raise
Pale Saints - The Comforts of Madness
Lush - Split
Whipping Boy - Submarine
Bailter Space - Robot World
Chapterhouse - Whirlpool
The Ecstasy of Saint Theresa - Susurrate
Lilys - In the Presence of Nothing
Curve - Doppelgänger

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Add to that LSD and the Search for God's s/t, released in '07.
Highly derivative and a little "weedy" in terms of production, but it's grown on me a whole lot. It actually benefits from its rather sparse production. The music and production both have an anemic, weak, depressive quality, I think. Good music to listen to in bed and be all sad and shit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfJeGRx5mu0
That skronky guitar rhythm near the end is sublime.

Other relevant stuff (though not all strictly "Shoegaze/Post-Rock"):
Dif Juz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uay6VLi ... 264CE35D64
Cocteau Twins (I know I already mentioned in a recent post, but WTF?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B150J2pQaBA
Afraid of Stairs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjCt1IgDf4o
The Durutti Column: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0NPlrhINxI

Souvlaki might be one of my top-ten favorite albums of all time, but I think everything Slowdive's done is worth looking into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcbe-ulUT0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87-4NMunbvI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYerbroPX34 (Thanks for ruining my life, Gregg)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:55 pm 
 

So... feedback. ;)

UnholyAnalDeathWorship wrote:
New Century Classics

Sounds a bit samey, at least the Natural Process album. They don't vary much in terms of dynamics do they?
UnholyAnalDeathWorship wrote:
Souvenir's Young America

They do remind me of Pelican here and there, albeit with a different mood. I will investigate further.
UnholyAnalDeathWorship wrote:
Destroyalldreamers

Didn't really like them, can't explain why but they did nothing for me.
UnholyAnalDeathWorship wrote:
Tangled Thoughts Of Leaving

I know what you meant here but it's more verging on math rock, as mathcore would imply that it has hardcore elements and I can't hear any. It reminds me of a mixture between Bark Psychosis and Slint, really experimental and tripped out. They're hit and miss though, as the 17 minute long overture is completely all over the place and unmemorable while the following theme is pretty much mind-blowing. I'll have to listen to more of the debut album.
UnholyAnalDeathWorship wrote:
If These Trees Could Talk

I'm listening to the album Red Forest and I'm really liking the vibe! Reminds me of Red Sparowes in terms of heaviness and imposing dynamics. It's early to tell but we may have a winner here.

All in all, thanks again for the effort! :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:11 am 
 

Ooh, a picky one! Interesting. New Century Classics I'll admit is a bit bland and lack dynamics, but I figured as 'pure post-rock' they are instantly what came to mind. Souvenir's Young America is great, to me, because they're great songwriters. To me there are no dull moments in that album. I haven't listened to any other album, though.
Interesting that Destroyalldreamers didn't click for you.. I haven't met anybody who doesn't instantly love them. I know I did. Though the song I posted is much more 'intense' than any of their other songs, so maybe that was just a dull one for you. I'd still try and urge you to look more into them.
Understandable that TToL was a bit hit and miss. It's hard to choose a single song out of the album to preview simply because it's one of those albums where you have to hear it from start to finish to get the right impression. It has its unmemorable parts but the memorable parts (I think) outweigh in this case.

If you're liking Red Forest, check out "Above The Earth, Below The Sky". I prefer that album, even though both are damned good. Let's see if I can't find any more recs for you.

Liam is a good choice. They're starting to be lumped into the 'blackgaze' scene, but they aren't quite 'blackened' at all. I think they're great. Slow, long build-ups with layers and backing sounds. Worth checking out I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Ll0E82R1I

This Will Destroy You is a must-listen for post-rock. To me, they are perfect at portraying mood in their music. Great songwriting, they really know how to build things up and use dynamics in their sound, and the mood of their music is.. to say the least, very moving. It really hits hard at home for me because it makes me think of and feel so much of my life. The past, present, future, lost love and friends, etc. etc.
It's just beautiful, no other way for me to put it. Not to mention how cool their drums are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZsU8elXrI

ender is one of those bands that have nothing 'special' going on but they are so good at what they do that it's refreshing to hear. At least that's how I feel. They have a bit of the post-metal/sludge kinda feel, but not much. They are hard to put into words but I think they're great. Though it seems like you're looking for more Red Sparowes/If These Trees Could Talk type bands and I'm also having a bit of trouble finding them. Regardless, it's stuff like this that makes post-rock so great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j1BuA6HCrk


And So I Watch You From Afar is a strange band. They have more of a math rock sound to them, but not in the way that Tangled Thoughts of Leaving does. I don't know much about math rock anyway so I can't say this is a legitimate comparison, but it's the best I can come up with. Energetic, 'fun', loud, abrasive.. I enjoy the fuck out of this band. Not much like Red Sparowes but they're worth mentioning I think.
http://youtu.be/C-gDG_W0ojk

I'll close this with a local band.. yeah, I went there. I'm good friends with this band and have even played bass for them at one point. They sound much better on record than this recording since it's somewhat poor, but if you are interested in how it sounds, I could give you a download link of their EP and let you judge for yourself. I think they're pretty good for being a young local band in a generally shitty music scene. They have a very drum-driven sound, which I think is good for them. They're biggest influences are Tool, Russian Circles, Red Sparowes, and Pelican, so they have a heavier sound, but they're good musicians. They know how to work dynamics and keep attention. I'm just trying to get the word of them out there. The drums get a little too fast around the 3:20 mark (Zac is really bad at speeding up like that), but overall it's decent quality, enough to give you an idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqgoN6wOubs

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:29 am 
 

Oh yeah, I'm a picky motherfucker! :D

I should inform you that I'm not the biggest post-rock lover out there, mainly because I think that most of it lacks the dynamic punch and that involving sound that I like hearing. I love Red Sparowes because they're almost Isis sans the sludge, although I have the perfect notion that it isn't exactly like that. I find much of post-rock to just be too deep in the emotional aspect of the music and less proactive where it counts, the actual songs being played. That's why the big names of the scene barely do anything for me other than be there. GY!BE, Explosions In The Sky, Mono, Sigur Rós and many others bore me to pieces. Heavier stuff like Russian Circles and later day Pelican have a bit more of the punch I'm looking for, but end up coming out as half-assed and unmemorable. They can have some moments of glory here and there mind you, but the albums as they are come out to me as very inconsistent.

That should let you better understand why I easily ditch some of the recs. I really liked Red Forest, although it has a few Pink Floydian moments where I was scratching my head. Listening to a song and liking it is easy, but going through an entire album and really appreciating it is something else, know what I mean? ;)

I'll check out the other stuff you recommended, and I'm even going to give À Cœur Léger Sommeil Sanglant a chance (the full album is on YT). Can't promise you I'll like any of them, or when I'll reply. These thing take time, eh. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:08 pm 
 

Well then that definitely clears up a lot. For me, post-rock with full emotion, build ups and releases, and full on atmosphere is just what I love. Perhaps that may be because of my personality, it just seems to go well with my moods. Have you tried the new Russian Circles album? It's probably their best yet, much more memorable than the others.

That album is great, I think the opening track is super cool. Honestly, Destroyalldreamers is probably in my top 3 post-rock bands. They're aren't too 'full on' with the moody stuff but rather actual progression in the music. Anyways, I understand. Take your time. I figured I'd help out since many other people didn't post much.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:41 pm 
 

Your help is very appreciated. I tend to usually give feedback on recs, but you know how it is with the daily life, you hardly have enough time to just sit and listen to it all in the same day (or week). I have tried most of Russian Circle's catalogue, but it's as I said, they just lack that extra something that compels me to listen to it over and over again. That's probably why I'm not that much into post-rock, even though I've made efforts into apprehending more of the genre. It's just that most of the templates that exist of it aren't my kind of thing. I like emotional stuff as well, but it has to be vivid and dynamic, and when I say dynamic I meant it almost in a metallic muscular way if that makes any sense. I like slow sections but I don't enjoy five minute build ups to a one minute release, then rinse and repeat until the eleven minute mark, you know?!

I will have a go at the stuff you recommended, and again, thanks for taking the time to drop them. ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:01 pm 
 

Back for more chatter. :)

Death By Cemetery - I don't really get where they're trying to go with the song. It feels more like instrumental prog than anything else, but as I said it's just one song out of the context of their EP (I suppose).

And So I Watch You From Afar - Quirky little band this one. Not at all what I was looking for though. You should drop this one in the Prog thread though, it will probably be of interest to some people there.

Ender - Now that's how you do a build-up! Very cool song, and that transition at the 5 minute mark is very intense. I will be checking more of this for sure.

This Will Destroy You - Yeah... I get why you like this so much, but it just falls into one of those post-rock templates that I can't seem to appreciate. Very minimalistic and moody, with a very gentle almost caressing atmosphere and a very uplifting vibe. I get it, but it's just not what I'm looking for. That "music box" type of sound some bands have is one of the aspects I can't seem to be able to live with.

Líam - I've heard a bit of it but I'm still not sure where it stands for me. I can see why it gets lumped up with the blackgaze sound though. I'll have to give it another shot.

As for Destroyalldreamers, I've given it another go and I really can't get into them. It's probably the "post-punk" shade looming over the dynamics, or maybe I'm just tripping with the prior statement. :lol: They have a pretty sound and play it nicely, but it's just not my playground.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:56 pm 
 

You so picky!
Hey, at least there were two new bands you can dig on, that is saying a lot considering your taste. :P
ender is probably the most obscure of all those bands (aside from my friends band), so if you can't seem to find anything from them I can also send you their album. They probably have the best build-ups of all that I mentioned (at least, I think so).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:41 am 
 

Ha ha, indeed I am.

Apparently they have the entire album streaming on the label's page. Here's the link for those who care. And slowly but steadily the musical collection keeps increasing, eh eh. :p
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