Ok, I'll throw one out. I'm looking for grindcore with screamed/shouted vocals (gutturals and squeals are good too, I just don't want them to be the only vocal types) and a heavy focus on groove.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance

Try "Sublime Cadaveric Decomposition" from France album "Inventory of Fixtures" guttural vocals backed with screams and shouts and imo one of the grooviest riffage you can find on a grind record

Hey no argument here, Siege is fucking amazing. I haven't read up on them much though, wasn't sure where they fell on the time line. They were also kind of the blueprint for early power-violence, weren't they? I've been getting into that stuff lately but I don't have anything on physical format (yet), just listening to Infest, Spazz, and all that shit on last.fm.

Hey xJx_Joshua_xJx maybe you should try Pig Destroyer, great band with incredible shouted vocals, also try captain cleanoff, I discovered them recently, absolutly great band.
By the way this is my first post, so hi everyone.

I just listened to a track from that album on their myspace. This stuff is great! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks man



Yup, I'm already a big fan of Pig Destroyer. So I'll definitely be looking into Captain Cleanoff shortly.

Oh, and welcome to the forums.

I really really don't like that album at all, but their self-titled is fantastic. Much much more of a goregrind edge, and less slam/death influence, but the groove is still there.

You might dig the first three albums of Leng Tche.

Can anyone recommend some bands like Mumakil? I've been listening to them a lot lately and I really like their sound.

Older Mumakil or newer Mumakil?

Preferably older Mumakil although I do like their new stuff too.

Older Mumakil is almost basically ultra-brutal death metal with shorter songs. Check out bands like Disgorge, Condemned (the Unique Leader one), and Devourment. As for their newer stuff try Rotten Sound? I haven't heard the newest one in a long time. Hope that helps.

yeah that does help. but if you can't tell I'm pretty new to grindcore and i thought Mumakil would be a good place to start but I guess not so much ha.

Maybe I should just start from scratch get some grind essentials. If anyone could recommend some that would be much appreciated. I already know Napalm Death and I've seen a lot of post about Insect Warfare. What are some other classic grind albums?

Assuck's entire discography, Nasum's "Inhale/Exhale", Pig Destroyer's "Prowler in the Yard", Brutal Truth's first two albums, Carcass' "Reek of Putrefaction", Terrorizer-"World Downfall", Extreme Noise Terror-"Holocaust In Your Head", Repulsion's "Horrified", Discordance Axis discography, S.O.B.'s "Don't Be Swindle", and General Surgery's "Necrology" EP should get you started.

Woah yeah that should keep me busy for awhile haha. Thanks man

Anytime.

I'm an avid fan of death metal and grindcore, and I wanted to bring a question to your attention, since this seems like the best concentration of people who could help me.

What is the difference between goregrind and deathgrind? Apparently Carcass and Brujeria are deathgrind, and Last Days of Humanity are Goregrind, correct? I've seen bands that sound exactly like Last Days of Humanity labelled as deathgrind, which are of course very different from Carcass. What am I missing?

Actually Carcass are labeled as goregrind/grindcore on the archives, and LDoH aren't believed to have enough metal leanings to be inducted at all. I think Carcass was probably labeled retroactively, I doubt anyone was using the term goregrind in their days.

I think goregrind is a term that has sort of spiraled out of control, putting to much emphasis on lyrical themes and aesthetic, instead of the way the music sounds. However, if I see someone use it as a musical descriptor I tend to assume they mean the music has absurdly pitch-shifted vocals, extremely down-tuned guitars, and typically a penchant for strong grooving passages. Cock & Ball Torture, Torsofuck, LDoH (although they got more and more noise oriented as they went on)

Death/grind is exactly what it sounds like, bands who mix in death metal elements with their grindcore, or vice versa. Typically resulting in a grindy sound, possibly with more death metal oriented song structures/lengths, usually devoid of the insane pitch-shifting and all that.

This is my attempt at an answer, although I'm sure peterott or one of these grindfreaks could clarify it further.

Goregrind is simply grindcore with pitchshifted vocals. If it is "groovy", then it's porngrind/pornogrind.

Thank you! That's what I figured deathgrind was, but I've seen obvious pitch shifted blast songs labelled as deathgrind, that's why I asked

@theposega
Carcass was labelled as goregrind though, and Heartwork isn't anything close. And I think he means groovy as in groove metal aspects?

So, thanks guys! Can you recommend me bands similar to Berzerker?

I don't think so, mr. posega. I'm pretty sure that this is the case:

Grind+Pitchshifted Vocals+Groove= Goregrind

Goregrind+Lyrical themes that relate to sex= PG

Any other grindfreaks want to comment on this?

You can't really look to Carcass for any sort of clarity on genre classification. They changed sounds with each album. The first (best) was straight up grindcore fucking madness. Horrible production, sloppy playing, short songs, amazing. The second album definitely had a lot of grind elements, but they cleaned up the production a bit, tightened up a lot, lengthened some of the songs, basically they just added more standard death fare into the mix. Once you get to Necroticism they've lost almost all traces of a grind sound, in my opinion. I still love this album for what it is, but it doesn't even cross my mind if I'm in the mood to hear grind. Heartwork is where they lost me. Although I will say its probably my favorite album that could be called melodeath. I haven't even heard Swansong yet but from what I understand they pretty much became death n' roll with this one. I'm probably still going to end up purchasing it just for the sake of completion...

Listen to Disrupt and if you like that kind of style, you pretty much opened yourself to most kinds of crustcore/crustgrind/metallic crust/whatever that they have influenced.

Nup, nah, nope. Jonpo pointed out the most cruical fact that the definition of goregrind/pornogrind has become quite blurred, with a lot of people making assumptions on 'groove, lyrical content and aesthetic' alone. Granted the line is quite thin between goregrind and pornogrind, but typically your Pornogrind bands (the good ones at least) should sound like Gut-worship, be almost 100% focused on Sexual Imagary, incorperate Sex-based/pornography samples, and vocals should be pitch-shifted and incorperate high whiney pitches as well. After those sorts of Pornogrind bands, you then have the bedroom Pornogrind bands that mostly fall into the Cyber/porn category, encompassing most of above, but try to compensate for lack of instrument skills w/ poor fruityloops programming.

http://www.myspace.com/putrescence

There is plenty of groove in there, but its more of a grinding groove in the vein that Pig Destroyer throw out sometimes.

I agree, at least thats how i have always understand this subgenres.
How ever I dont think we should narrow these subgenres too much, there are bands that mix every kind of grind.
Its good you want to know what specific genre your listening to, but dont take it too seriously just enjoy good grind.

By the way, and I know i`ve said it before, but Im listening to Captain Cleanoff, and I really recomend it for every grindfreak out there.

Captain Cleanoff are awesome.

Ehhh, I wouldn't say ALL goregrind is groovy though. Just look at Last Days of Humanity. Though, I haven't listened to them in a while and could just be digging myself into a deeper whole here.

I never fully "got" Captain Cleanoff. I mean, they're good, but I just don't see why everyone loves them. I should listen to their album after this Psycroptic one finishes.

EDIT: Musically, Captain Cleanoff kick ass. Vocally, however, they can be a little annoying.

Anyways, what's everyone here think of Sewage Sammich, Impetigo, and Unholy Grave?

I have Impetigo`s horror of the zombies and I think its really good stuff. How ever I never quite understood why it was labeled as grind, I always thought of it as a death metal album. Any way I think its preatty good.
As for Unholy Grave, I´ve not heard so much of this guys, but for what i`ve heard its really good.
I´ve never heard of Sewage Sammich, would you recomnd them? what kind of grind do they play?

Sewage Sammich kinda reminds me a lot of older Agoraphobic Nosebleed. With some XXX Maniak tendencies.

I think this would be slightly more accurate:

Grind + pitchshifted vocals + groove + gore related lyrics = Goregrind
Goregrind + sex related lyrics + more emphasis on groove = Pornogrind

That's the way I see it.

okay sorry for the newb question but im seriously so lost as to what makes a band grindcore. Like im not a total retard when i listen to Nasum or Insect Warfare i obviously can tell theyre grind but idk how to describe grind. sorry i dont really know how to ask my question but what elements does a song have to have for it to be a grind song? What genres is grind influenced by?

And bands like See You Next Tuesday and Poolside At The Flamingo obviously have a lot of other genre influence like deathcore and brutal death but the short, intense songs show they're grind infulenced right? I dont know i just hear people talk about them as grind but it sounds nothing like the grind Im used to.. Is this still grind just a different direction mixed with deathcore?

sorry for all the questions but if someone could please enlighten me that would be great haha

Grindcore takes influence from hardcore punk, early industrial (like Swans), a little bit of death/thrash and noise. Shane Embury categorizes it as "an abrasive sound". Grind to me is very minimalist. It doesn't require lots of skill, just enough to play fast. Bands like Gridlink or Discordance Axis took grind in a more technical, skillful direction.

Bands like See You Next Tuesday are "grind-influenced" but not grindcore explicitly. See You Next Tuesday admittedly just beat the fuck out of their instruments and whammy whenever possible.

okay man thanks for clearing that up. I've just been getting a lot more into it lately and i didn't really know much about it.

but yeah thanks again.

Anytime man. I'm glad you're actually looking into instead of going down the "IT'S SO BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOTAL!!!!!11" OR "IT'S JUST NOISE!" paths that are way too common.

Wormrot's debut Abuse just leaked and I can honestly say its the best damn piece of grind I've heard so far this year. Definitely a must for those into Insect Warfare, P.L.F. and the likes.

I think I just came. I'll download that shortly.

Thanks alot for mention wormrot, I was first turned off by the names of the other members were in but the band seems really solid, good to see quality grind in places of Indonesia. We need more Wormrots and Creative Wastes popping up

Haven't been here in a while. Needless to say, this site rules and this is the best thread on it.

Just a few thoughts:
1) Gore versus Grind: I have always noticed that gore is more Death-Metal-Featuring-Blastbeats. Gore (primarily) lacks the crossover/punk riffing that is a grindcore signature (think old-school Napalm Death riffs). Gore is also tuned/toned to a muddy consistency that sounds great with shit production. This is an observation. There is always an exception. I like metal, so gore is cool, but I love grind.

2) Power Violence versus Grind: I like the comment that PV is on the punk side of grind. This is true, all the way down to the guitar tone. Even current bands like Magrudergrind still have that old school tone (although I just rec'd a copy of their ST on Willowtip and things are a little muddy...) When I think of PV I think of putting DRI, the Descendents and a blast beat drummer in a blender. And I happen to like it. My favs are Asshole Parade, Black Army Jacket, Crossed Out and Magrudergrind.

Bands I have come to enjoy over the years:

Rotten Sound. I listened to them before they hooked up with Nasum. They have a comp called "From Crust Til Grind." Listen to that and you will know why their last album was called Cycles - they have come full circle. I like FCTG and Cycles more than Murderwerks and Exit. But then again, I grew up in the 80's listening to Minor THreat, Black Flag and Subhumans.

Kill The Client. Cleptocracy was the best grind I heard in 2008, hands down. The production improved significantly and their riffing went to a whole new level. Never mind that 5 of the songs were available on splits and comps before release - not everyone buys splits and comps. I also recommend the Wage Slave EP.

Insect Warfare. Does anything need to be said? Classic death metal tone/distortion with a Modern approach to grindcore. If it's IxWx, and you don't have it, buy it. World Extermination is the best grind CD money can buy. I listened to it this afternoon while out on the town. Shit, I listen to it weekly - this CD is the reason I have a CD player.

Mumakil. Customized Warfare is amazing. It is basically a comp, as most of the material was released previously. A friend in Europe sent me Behold The Failure. It is absolutely top-notch. The only drawback I had with CW is the "rockish" riffs a'la early Leng Tch'e (ManMadePredator - before they signed to Relapse and went to shit). There are still moments, but instrumentally, all the players have worked on their skills. Amazing album.

Not reading too much Birdflesh on this thread. They are to grindcore what Ghoul are to death/thrash. Mondo Musicale showed them as three talented musicians. The Farmers' Wrath picked up right where they left off.

Of course, everyone has their own thing. Some like more death metal in their riffing, some like more punk. Some like straight forward (Nasum) drumming, others like double bass. So it is tough to say "Here is what you need." So it comes down to you, the poster, to define WHAT you want so that the people who actually listen to grind can help you. Saying you want something like Fuck The Facts does nothing, since FtF are not grindcore. 6 minutes songs is not grind. That is why Necroticism by Carcass is not considered grindcore. That is why The County Medical Examiners are not grind core. It's pretty simple, honestly.

That is the reason I have not been here in a long time - very few grind fans, and even more who think that Death-Metal-Featuring-Blastbeats IS grindcore. No.

Saw a Deathbound reference. I have "We deserve much worse." Musically awesome, vocally shit. If I can understand your lyrics, they better be good. I do not like their content.

Some bands no on mentions that have potential:
Afgrund - Svarta Dragar. D-Beat grind. They have a new release on willowtip that I have not heard but will check out asap.
Ass To Mouth - Kiss Ass (the snare drum annoys me, the grinding kicks ass. A better production budget would put them on the map.)
Complete Failure - Perversions of Guilt. They randomly go sludgy from time to time, but the album as a whole is solid.
Gadget - The Funeral March. I do not recall seeing them mentioned on this thread (okay, I stopped reading on page 5 when the PV discussion got rolling...) Fantastic music, the drummer rips out d-beats as fast as they can discernibly be played and they know how to write grind riffs.
Inhume - Chaos Dissection Order. Oh my. Their earlier shit is all death metal. This IS death/grind. I challenge anyone to listen to this and then tell yourself that Traitors by Misery Index is death/grind. Seriously, this is how it is done.

Fuck. I could be here all night.
My recent purchases:
Maruta: In Narcosis (I know, where have I been...)
Magrudergrind - ST (fuck yes... get them on the archives.)
Mumakil - Behold the Failure
Birdflesh - The Farmer's Wrath
Shitstorm/G.A.O.C split 7" ( I love shitstorm )
And I downloaded about 2 gigs of Japanese grindcore and thrashcore that I will probably still be sifting through by the time it starts snowing in the Pacific time zone.

Like grind? Do yourself a favor, check out every Japanese band you come across. They know how to write riffs.

Well, that about does it. See you all next year.

Oh, that reminds me. Anyone heard of a band from Chile called Dr. Zaius? They have an album called Music From My Fist that is quite good. They combine the feel of classic death metal (with their own twist, of course) with grindcore. In that sense, they are Death/Grind - but definitely worth checking out. Their death riffs have good range, from straight-forward, Immolation style to later, palm muted thrash to pre-Necroticism Carcass.

A good tune to preview is "Out of Common." Solid production as well.

i recently got into a Russian band called GoreAnus. theyre TOO grindcore with pig squeal vocals and the lot; to the point where theyre not allowed on MA. one bad thing is that the album they released has EVERYTHING written in russian (track names and album title). Another band called Sinworm are very fast, but i cant find any of their material online