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Opus
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:03 pm 
 

Can I just generally recommend the American prog rock band Yezda Urfa? They made a demo and a self financed, self-released LP in 1976, and no one cared.
A bit of Yes, a bit of Gentle Giant, a bit of Tull and a whole lot of weird which makes for an absolutely great sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9I9OjNZL-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51L2fMDv6YE
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:19 pm 
 

New Ion Vein song. Album out July 4/8.
I'm not really convinced by this song. Too much "aggression", not enough progressive. But then again, the name of the song is "Anger", maybe it's part of a concept. I won't pass judgement until I've heard the full album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApS2NfTImEE
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:50 pm 
 

Hey, anyone here know any albums or bands along the lines of Conception's In Your Multitude? I'm talking about music that, while still definitely proggy, sticks to riffier, more compact songs around 3-4 minutes in length. Awesome vocals are definitely a huge plus.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:20 am 
 

Do you know Secrecy? Their vocalist (intentionally effeminate/"weak") isn't anything like Roy Khan but they have the crunchy and compact thing down well (and I consider Art in Motion to be one of the greatest metal albums I know of).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 11:00 am 
 

That's a bit more old school than what I was expecting, though it was also quite good. Sure, the vocals aren't great, but they're serviceable and the band sticks to the criteria I was looking for. Lots of cool leads too. Thanks, man!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:55 am 
 

Speaking of Conception, have you heard their first demo? Very Weird!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW0h4oYhKaQ
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2014 10:17 pm 
 

For a fraction of a second I thought that was Khan. Glad to know it's only Ostby's brother :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:34 am 
 

I've been listening to Riverside's Second Life Syndrome and I'm enjoying it. I wanted to know your opinion on the band, and perhaps albums recommendations if you have.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:14 pm 
 

Xlxlx wrote:
Hey, anyone here know any albums or bands along the lines of Conception's In Your Multitude? I'm talking about music that, while still definitely proggy, sticks to riffier, more compact songs around 3-4 minutes in length. Awesome vocals are definitely a huge plus.


I trust you know Slauter Xstroyes, friend? They have a few longer songs but most are quite compact, riffy as hell, and John Stewart is one of the greatest metal vocalists. Also Voivod if by some weird chance you haven't heard 'em yet, try 'Dimension Hatross' and 'Nothingface'. Nothingface is a little lighter on the riffs but the songs are fairly short and the vocals kill. Sorry if you know both these bands, mate, I'll see if I can dig anything else up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, Aeons End's 'Spiral Seas' is quite good thrashy prog with a female vocalist. It can be hard to find so PM me if needed.

EDIT 2: Forgot all about Holocaust's little gem of an EP 'The Sound of Souls'. Compact song lengths with heavy Voivod influence. Check it out for sure.
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Aydross
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:55 pm 
 

Hey Empy, that Shadrane band is pretty good, checking them out atm.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:33 pm 
 

@Jophelerx: familiar with and love both Slauter and Voivod :-P Aeons End and Holocaust don't ring any bells though, so I'll check 'em out. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:24 pm 
 

Check out 'Hypnosis of Birds' and 'Covenant' as well if you like the Holocaust EP. The songs are longer on average but both records are top-notch. Both albums also have quality reviews if you want more info on 'em.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:16 am 
 

Blood And Iron wrote:
Can someone help me with this subgenre?

I've been listening to metal music for years, most time 'pure' metal, like Traditional Metal/Doom/Power/Thrash/NWOBHM/Death, but recently I'm trying to learn more about all those fusion subgenres like Industrial, Grindcore, Gothic, Folk, etc.

So I gave progressive metal a try, and someone recommended me Fates Warning, Rapscallion (obscure band), amorphis "Skyforge" and Devin Townsend's "Ocean Machine: Biomech", and those bands sound very similar to Alternative Metal! (aside from Fates Warning).

Am I really listening to progressive metal with those bands/albums that I said above? Because 'Ocean Machine' is quite similar to Faith no More (aside from the weird experimentation), and Fates Warning is totally different from Opeth, and Rapscallion could easily be compared to Soundgarden, Helmet or Quorthon's solo material.

Oh, and when I mean 'Alternative Metal', I mean bands using both Alternative Rock structures and metal riffs.... not Shit like Coal Chamber or Ill Ñino!

Any help appreciated!

(my first post. yeah!).

progressive metal varies widely in its sound because it's not a genre in any real sense, its a descriptor describing metal bands(of many different 'base' genres) that incorporate progressive elements into their music.


Aydross wrote:
Some progressive rock with female vocals?

Henry Cow(and Art Bears as well)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b8iG3S ... b8iG3Sn7DA

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I'm looking for more of the prog rock type of stuff. I tried listening to Rush but that band didn't really hit me :/. I got into Pink Floyd recently, never really liked it in the past but I now I think they were awesome. Especially The Dark Side Of The Moon and and before. King Crimson's early albums are really good too. I've tried to find more of that stuff but haven't really found anything that are on par or better than those two.

TLDR; psychedelic(ish) prog in the vein of Pink Floyd and King Crimson.


Gong maybe, but its hard to figure out what you actually want since early pink floyd sounds different to KC who weren't very psychedelic. maybe you want some space rock? try Hawkwind.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:38 am 
 

Opus wrote:
Can I just generally recommend the American prog rock band Yezda Urfa? They made a demo and a self financed, self-released LP in 1976, and no one cared.


I so agree with you Opus. Yezda Urfa was quite possibly one of the most overlooked bands in prog rock. Strange memories attached to that music...
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colin040
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:31 am 
 

Looking for progressive metal similar to Arch/Matheos' Sympathetic Resonance and Constantine's Divine Design: both albums consist of long, exciting and adventurous songs but still sound focused, to the point and have cool guitarwork to offer.

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Temple Of Blood
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:14 am 
 

colin040 wrote:
Looking for progressive metal similar to Arch/Matheos' Sympathetic Resonance and Constantine's Divine Design: both albums consist of long, exciting and adventurous songs but still sound focused, to the point and have cool guitarwork to offer.



Well, this is a bit of a stretch but how about ADRAMELCH - "Broken History"?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:50 pm 
 

I don't know if any similar requests have been made, but I don't want to sort through 17 pages. I really enjoy when bands have lots of changes in their music, rhythmically. I mean in the sense of how classic Fates Warning, Mercyful Fate, Rush, etc would start with one riff and change frequently. It doesn't have to be any vintage, but I'd prefer it to not be too keyboard heavy or really airy, if that makes sense. I don't generally mind extremity, I enjoy Atheist, or song length. This isn't as necessary, but I'd like the actual rhythm section to be strong and audible.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Aydross
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:01 am 
 

@StainedClass95

A little more on the power metal side of things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtAhGGQYXM

Any Psychotic Waltz album.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:02 am 
 

Both of these were very good, I thank you.

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Opus
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:43 am 
 

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Oracle (aka Prodigy)

What a great band! I was thinking this sounds like a mix of Fates Warning and Steel Prophet, and who commented on the video: Rick Mythiasin
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Temple Of Blood
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:13 pm 
 

StainedClass95 wrote:
I don't know if any similar requests have been made, but I don't want to sort through 17 pages. I really enjoy when bands have lots of changes in their music, rhythmically. I mean in the sense of how classic Fates Warning, Mercyful Fate, Rush, etc would start with one riff and change frequently. It doesn't have to be any vintage, but I'd prefer it to not be too keyboard heavy or really airy, if that makes sense. I don't generally mind extremity, I enjoy Atheist, or song length. This isn't as necessary, but I'd like the actual rhythm section to be strong and audible.

Any assistance would be appreciated.


I take it you've heard CYNIC - "Focus"?

What about both WATCHTOWER albums? Amazing rhythm section there.

What about CAULDRON BORN and HELSTAR?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:51 pm 
 

StainedClass95 wrote:
I don't know if any similar requests have been made, but I don't want to sort through 17 pages. I really enjoy when bands have lots of changes in their music, rhythmically. I mean in the sense of how classic Fates Warning, Mercyful Fate, Rush, etc would start with one riff and change frequently. It doesn't have to be any vintage, but I'd prefer it to not be too keyboard heavy or really airy, if that makes sense. I don't generally mind extremity, I enjoy Atheist, or song length. This isn't as necessary, but I'd like the actual rhythm section to be strong and audible.

Any assistance would be appreciated.


Seconding Cauldron Born, and Helstar to a lesser extent - check 'Remnants of War' for the most riff changes, I think (Temple of Blood may be able to recommend something else). Slauter Xstroyes is probably the best band I've heard for this, tones of riff and tempo changes throughout the songs, the debut especially is killer music, check out my review if you like. Also check out Maelstrom (progressive power/thrash one), especially their 'This Battle to Make History, Yet History Never Comes' demo. A bit more extreme, but you said that wasn't an issue, and the main extreme factor is the vocals, anyway. The first demo has some first wave black metal influence, but the second demo doesn't, really.

I'll assume you've heard Voivod, Holocaust (former NWOBHM band) takes a lot of influence from them on their later work, start with The Sound of Souls EP and go through 'The Courage To Be' album. Chozzen Phate also fit the bill here with their 1995 demo, they take a lot of influence from both FW and Watchtower, excellent stuff. Hope that keeps you busy for awhile!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:11 pm 
 

Another good one if you're up for a WATCHTOWER clone is the first SIEGES EVEN album.

Or the first SPASTIC INK album. Pretty jaw-dropping rhythm section there.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:51 am 
 

I'm aware of Cynic and Helstar, but I don't enjoy them. I am familiar with and do enjoy Watchtower and Voivod. On the ones I hadn't heard before, Sieges Even, Cauldron Born, Slauter, Holocaust, and Chozzen Phate were enjoyable to various degrees. Spastic Ink was enjoyable too, 50 min of YYZ+, but is a demanding listen. Maelstrom didn't work too well, it seemed really over the top, and the production was definitely hurting the music. I do appreciate the help.

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Aydross
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:41 am 
 

If you guys are interested in Oracle(Prodigy) I recommend their only Demo "As Darkness Reigns". It's really good all the way, and it's like an hour long!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:31 pm 
 

Different from my previous request, I've gotten into an ELP kick lately. I was wondering if there were any metal bands that resembled their classic, BSS and back, sound of impressive keys, great diversity from track to track, aggressive, but jazzy drumming, and good vocals. I have no concerns towards the lyrics, degree of extremity, or song length.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:41 am 
 

I would certainly love to know of ELP like metal bands considering they are basically my favorite non-metal rock band. I am sure you have at least heard of V: The New Mythology Suite though. I really like both ELP's and V's drumming style and neo-classical tendencies.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 5:25 pm 
 

^ That's a good album, but it's not as cohesive at changing styles as ELP were. I'm not sure how much I like choir-vocals and seemingly random Pantera-like riffs contrasting against each other. It's also definitely going towards the "epic," whereas ELP could be epic and then go to another place entirely. It also doesn't seem as "different" as Tarkus, BSS, etc. I do occasionally see what you're talking about with the drumming, but he seems to lay off more often and isn't as loud in the mix.

Again, good album, but not quite what I'm looking for.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:14 am 
 

Ars Nova from Japan may not be a metal band, but it's a wonderful tribute to ELP nevertheless. Try their "Android Domina" album first. The drumming may not be as interesting as Palmer's (well, it's a drum machine after all!), but the Emerson-aspect is constantly present.

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