Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Message board

* FAQ    * Search   * Register   * Login 



This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.
Author Message Previous topic | Next topic
HeWhoIsInTheWater
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:47 pm
Posts: 249
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:29 am 
 

Poisonfume wrote:
Reading the comments section is pretty sad too. People posting videos of S.S. songs and what not.
If there's one thing I agree with, though, it's that those two girls were gorgeous.


The funniest part of the comments was scrolling through and seeing, amidst all those immature videos, a clip of Bee Gees "You Should Be Dancing". It brings joy to such sad narcissism and foolishness.
_________________
Thexhumed wrote:
dat beard

Top
 Profile  
Oxenkiller
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 am
Posts: 1313
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:45 am 
 

The biggest difference between Varg, Dave Mustaine, and Von Veinen is: They are all idiots, who like to spew idiotic nonsense (well, Veinen to a much lesser degree) but at least Varg is capable of writing great music. Whereas Mustaine USED TO BE capable of writing great music, and Jason Veinen never was and probalby never will be.

So yeah, I dig a lot of Varg's music and admire his musical vision- but thats it. As a person, he is a pretty sad, warped individual.

Top
 Profile  
Hastein45
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:56 pm
Posts: 198
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:13 am 
 

the_raytownian wrote:
Hastein45 wrote:
I can understand what he means by 'untraditional tattoos'. A significant amount of the White youth have Chinese tattoos, tribal bands, Christian crosses, etc. Varg seems to want a modern society based on old cultural values. I get it. Though I still don`t understand why many of these pro-European artists blame the Jews though. Can they not understand that their politicians are the ones selling their cultures down the river? I have never seen any evidence of a Zionist plot, though I think it makes an easy scapegoat.


Seriously, if anyone is to blame for Europe's "super faggy, jewish liberalism" today, it's Europe. In the aftermath of WWII, being "politically correct" basically became the law there. It's funny.

I wonder, does anyone really think people would care NEARLY as much about "racism" in Europe if it hadn't been for WWII/Nazi Germany (as opposed to "THE JEWS")?

And, of course, to avoid responsibility for that, people will just deny the Holocaust (I will readily admit that Holocaust numbers are likely exaggerated heavily, but how does that excuse it in any sense?).

Spot on. Except it is hard to know what immigration policies Europe would have if it wasn`t for Hitler`s doings. I would doubt the high levels of immigration like in modern Europe if Fascism was still considered a viable political option, and I highly doubt Europe would be plagued with its current brand of "super faggy Jewish Liberalism" :lol: . But I think this bolsters your point that "racism" would not be a big deal. I suppose I was addressing the unknown. Obviously if immigration levels ended up being the same "racism" or ethnic prejudice would be an issue.

Top
 Profile  
RapeTheDead
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:48 pm
Posts: 468
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:34 am 
 

Pretty much echoing the sentiments of everyone in that this is clearly some ass-backwards and delusional thinking, entirely isolated from any point of view other than his own.

Fuck yeah! That's what I'm talking about! This is the kind of weird-ass motherfucker I want to be writing my black metal- somebody so completely detached from everything going on around him that his music is bound to be unique and compelling as a result. I love Varg and hope he writes more insane shit like this.
_________________
UnderTheGuillotine wrote:
Smoke weed.

Top
 Profile  
SS_Division_Wiking
Metal newbie

Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:22 am
Posts: 61
Location: Denmark
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:48 am 
 

Who's Jason Veinen? Maybe I've heard of his band but I'm not familiar with the name of the guy mentioned.
_________________
Ørneborgen

Top
 Profile  
InvalidPacket
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:35 pm
Posts: 78
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:50 am 
 

OzzyApu wrote:
Can't say I understand why he attacks Immortal

I would assume it has something to do with this.

Top
 Profile  
ld50
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:22 am
Posts: 503
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:06 am 
 

Just wow... That was quite laughable. Also, is he using comic sans?

Pagan_Death_Sceam wrote:
Well, there is the Israeli Industrial/Folk Metal band, Gevolt.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gevolt/101966

...and, in my opinion, they are fucking awesome.

Jesus, that was terrible.

Top
 Profile  
matras
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:01 am
Posts: 872
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:09 am 
 

I'm officially done with this ass-hat space nazi.
Getting rid of my records, spreading download-links to his works so he'll get less money, and giving my Aske tshirt to my dog to chew on.

Top
 Profile  
the_raytownian
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:09 am
Posts: 2296
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:57 am 
 

You know, I am actually a bit surprised at the immense backlash.

I mean, who hasn't known these are Varg's views for years? Like, this is nothing new to me since over a decade ago.
Why the sudden disillusionment?

I stopped listening to Burzum a long time ago because of this sort of crap from him. It is not new for him at all.

I don't care if others do not, and I am not some asshole who gets upset about the music people enjoy, I just think it's really peculiar that people suddenly care/"found out" Varg is racist and always has been.

I definitely won't (meaning: never did) support Varg or Burzum since (literally) middle school when I had just gotten into his early music and didn't realize how dumb he is ideologically, and I certainly am not discouraging others from finally waking up to and speaking out against his rather fucked up views, but I feel a little weird about it happening so suddenly (and over a blog post, no less).

At the end of the day, people will still love Burzum. It doesn't really matter to me, because nothing's any different than it's been for years with me. I like his music, but I am in my own way similar to Varg in that I don't let that influence me to accept it. Varg doesn't listen to Carpathian Forest, and I don't listen to Varg. I like Burzum's music, but I feel so strongly in my convictions that I refuse to accept it as "just music" any more than he would.

It's a ideological vehicle for him, and I treat it the same way. I keep it out of my ears. I'd like to believe it's "about the music", but it's difficult for me to accept that. At the end of the day, I guess it's me who's missing out, but at least I stick to my principles. And so I say: all the naysayers can shut up and eat my asshole from up on their fence posts.
_________________
Disgrace to the corpse of Metal Archives!
Discogs | Last.fm

Top
 Profile  
Kveldulfr
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:01 pm
Posts: 2447
Location: Chile
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:29 am 
 

Damn, he's trolling black metal for the corpsepaint? He used it too! If it's for the poses, why not trashing Darkthrone or his old self?

I liked his writings about scandivavian myths and his music is boss, but since he moved to France, he's been more nuts than ever.
_________________
Forestfather in Facebook- Some sort of black metal.
Get Forestfather's new album 'Hereafter' here!
Kveldulf's various stuff in Soundcloud
Vahşet in ReverbNation - Death metal

Top
 Profile  
matras
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:01 am
Posts: 872
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:53 am 
 

@the_raytownian Just speaking for myself here, but of course I think people have known. But there's grades in hell, and I've tried to separate the man for the music. I'm just not able to anymore. It's not even funny how much I loathe his kind.

It'll be funny, though, to see how the people around here claiming to hate NSBM but love Burzum respond to all this.

Top
 Profile  
vengefulgoat
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:15 am
Posts: 977
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:03 pm 
 

Pagan_Death_Sceam wrote:
Well, there is the Israeli Industrial/Folk Metal band, Gevolt.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gevolt/101966

...and, in my opinion, they are fucking awesome.

I didn't check out the comments below, I did now, I don't know whether to laugh awkwardly or bash my head on a desk

There's also Orphaned Land and yiddish Dibushku, both are pretty worthless.


Varg seems to be playing holier-than-thou in the whole pro-white movement, although I'm pretty sure the 'judeochristians' from the honest far-right parties (think Golden Dawn rather than Geert Wilders) succeed more in serving the 'cause' than he or people with his weltanschauung ever will. Which is very naive and unrealistic. European = always great, unless corrupted in the slightest by Jew, who is always evil. PC version of that being average of every race is completely equal, and genetics variation is an individual thing.
Similarly I cringe at how he and many individuals want to know "the truth" instead of politically correct version of history, yet their theories are basically their own, inverted versions of political correctness rather than result of independent historics research, I don't have anything against those veryfying the shady six million number, as long as it's not used for propaganda purposes, in order to undiscredit National Socialism. Which, by the way, as a general ideology rather than one historical movement cannot be discredited by the Holocaust.

Top
 Profile  
matras
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:01 am
Posts: 872
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:52 pm 
 

If you think you can divorce an ideology from its workings in the world, you're living in a sad sad dream.

Top
 Profile  
vengefulgoat
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:15 am
Posts: 977
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 2:16 pm 
 

The idea of exterminating a race or nation however has never been a pillar of original Nazism, let alone modern National Socialism. There is a difference between victims of quasi-communist Mao or Pol Pot regimes where the deaths are a cause of non-viable socioeconomic policies, and where deaths are a cause of imperialistic foreign policy and/or leaders' irrational hate. Unless you think somebody merely acknowledging the differences among human racial groups clearly is secretly stocking up money for a camp to exterminate Jews, obviously along with homosexuals, left handeds, and those who wipe while sitting.

Top
 Profile  
BaloroftheEvilEye
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:42 am
Posts: 1624
Location: Ireland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:14 pm 
 

matras wrote:
If you think you can divorce an ideology from its workings in the world, you're living in a sad sad dream.

You may as well discount every other work of philosophy, literature and art throughout history then, since just about everyone was racist/homophobic/whatever, before it went out of style in the 20th century.

Top
 Profile  
Oxenkiller
Metalhead

Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:42 am
Posts: 1313
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:05 pm 
 

SS_Division_Wiking wrote:
Who's Jason Veinen?.


Jason Ventura, aka "Von Veinen." I probably should have been clearer with that; it was sort of the same gaffe as calling our thread subject "Kristian Grishnackh."

http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/membre_g ... -l-en.html

I think on one hand, his ramblings against social degenerates, parasites, and the morally bankrupt bottom rung of society, as well as and those selfish greedy bastards who seek wealth and pleasure at the expense of the rest of society, are not that controversial. HOWEVER, when he calls such negative traits "Jewish" and implies that all people of hebrew decent, or that follow the original Abrahamic faith automatically share such traits, then whatever points he tries to make decend into utter stupidity. So while some of his rantings sound like the typical right wing conservative shithead crap that people such as, well, Dave Mustaine like to spew in the U.S, his whole "JThe Jews" thing makes it sound even more shitheadish than normal, and even harder to take seriously.

Top
 Profile  
matras
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:01 am
Posts: 872
Location: Sweden
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:09 pm 
 

BaloroftheEvilEye wrote:
matras wrote:
If you think you can divorce an ideology from its workings in the world, you're living in a sad sad dream.

You may as well discount every other work of philosophy, literature and art throughout history then, since just about everyone was racist/homophobic/whatever, before it went out of style in the 20th century.


Absolutely horrible analogy, and non-applicable to this. First of all National Socialism is not an art or literature. Second of all ideologies and philosophies change over time; how has NS changed? Wasn't the ideology and political theory called NS implemented in Germany? Did it turn out well?
Not all ideologies and philosophies in history have been implemented in and on real life. NS has. And the result was?

Top
 Profile  
altered_vlad
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 8:44 pm
Posts: 121
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:36 pm 
 

^I think balor misunderstood your statement for the art/artist binarism. If he's not then I'm afraid he is in a sad sad dream as you said lol
_________________
an axe to the head
we walk toward the night
bringing down the sun

Top
 Profile  
vengefulgoat
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:15 am
Posts: 977
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:45 pm 
 

matras wrote:
Absolutely horrible analogy, and non-applicable to this. First of all National Socialism is not an art or literature. Second of all ideologies and philosophies change over time; how has NS changed?

Neonazism, or rather modern national socialism, while based on Third Reich doctrines, often differs even in as important factors as religious policy, redefining white race view, how far is it acceptable to go with pro-nation politics, sometimes also admitting Hitler's war crimes. But yeah I don't wanna bother playing devil's advocate there, as pretty much all groups that refer to themselves as national socialists are plain bigotry circles with no political thought besides pulled out of ass revisionisms and conspiracy theories.

matras wrote:
Wasn't the ideology and political theory called NS implemented in Germany? Did it turn out well? Not all ideologies and philosophies in history have been implemented in and on real life. NS has. And the result was?

And that proves its results would be the same if it was implemented under completely different geopolitical situation, by completely different people, and with different policies in very important aspects? That's like deducting that monarchy must always be bad because there was some bad king.

Top
 Profile  
altered_vlad
Metal newbie

Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 8:44 pm
Posts: 121
PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:29 pm 
 

^ if, as an ideology it is based on racial superiority as the third reich model, then it will end up as a disaster.
and monarchy in general is not an ideology, it is installed and maintained by it but not an ideology in itself.
_________________
an axe to the head
we walk toward the night
bringing down the sun

Top
 Profile  
BaloroftheEvilEye
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Oct 02, 2009 11:42 am
Posts: 1624
Location: Ireland
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:20 am 
 

I think I misunderstood. I assumed you were conflating Varg's ideology with his band, which is not NSBM.

Top
 Profile  
StillDeath
Metal newbie

Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:47 am
Posts: 278
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:16 am 
 

Does that mean NS are just wannabes or am I missing something?

Top
 Profile  
Kigo7
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:51 pm
Posts: 164
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:58 pm 
 

I think that although NSBM and Varg have similar views on race, I'd imagine that Varg wouldn't want to be associated with them because NS is associated with BM and Varg hates BM or if not, he doesn't agree with its ideas/philosophy any more. And, while I have never agreed with Varg's ideas, I'm still very glad of the fact that I don't.

Top
 Profile  
absurder21
Metalhead

Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:51 pm
Posts: 673
Location: Canada
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:23 pm 
 

Oxenkiller wrote:
The biggest difference between Varg, Dave Mustaine, and Von Veinen is: They are all idiots, who like to spew idiotic nonsense (well, Veinen to a much lesser degree) but at least Varg is capable of writing great music. Whereas Mustaine USED TO BE capable of writing great music, and Jason Veinen never was and probalby never will be.

So yeah, I dig a lot of Varg's music and admire his musical vision- but thats it. As a person, he is a pretty sad, warped individual.

The idea's behind new Burzum aren't any different from new Megadeth (and in that, I'd say the quality is the same). They both rely on the what they think the fans want on a broad base. Varg's atmosphericy, chilld black stuff sold more so he's stuck to that (although now he uses pseudo-folk music instead of synths. Riffs are the same though) and Countdown/Youthanasia sold the most for Megadeth, so they've been trying to recreate those. They stuck with those formula's and have done a good job sticking to acceptable, accessible, if not totally forgettable afterword's pieces of work.

Also, Varg is the worst Non-Jew/Christian/Muslim ever. The only thing i kind of even slightly agree with him on is that Europeans are getting too many abortions/Not having enough kids.


Last edited by absurder21 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
Xlxlx
Metal freak

Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:16 pm
Posts: 5559
Location: Argentina
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:25 pm 
 

That was an absolutely hysterical read. If it had been written by anyone else, I would assume it was a parody, really. The part when he posted pictures of (admittedly beautiful) European women to "clean our minds" was pure gold :lol:

Also:
A dude called Alvin in Varg's forum wrote:
Varg, I know this sounds a bit odd maybe, but do you have any suggestions where to meet women who have seen through the bull-crap that is feminism and internationalism and are more non-modern? I have only run into whores and hippies thus far in my life. There seems to be very few “good” women left.

I don't know, man. Maybe constructing a time machine and going back a century or two would help.
_________________
Earthcubed wrote:
I wish I had a black hole and an infinite supply of B83 atomic bombs, each time letting the heat barely rub against all of you before sucking it back with a black hole so I could slowly nuke the previous page over and over again for all time.

Top
 Profile  
Empyreal
The Final Frontier

Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:58 pm
Posts: 19234
Location: Where the dead rule the night
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:15 pm 
 

I think a few more beatings in prison would have done him some good.
_________________
Cinema Freaks latest reviews: The Nun

Top
 Profile  
maidenpriestmanic
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:33 pm
Posts: 404
Location: United States
PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:26 pm 
 

Hmmmmmm....... Now I want some crispy corn flakes........

Top
 Profile  
Acidgobblin
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 2235
Location: Antarctica
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:25 am 
 

Kigo7 wrote:
I think that although NSBM and Varg have similar views on race, I'd imagine that Varg wouldn't want to be associated with them because NS is associated with BM and Varg hates BM or if not, he doesn't agree with its ideas/philosophy any more. And, while I have never agreed with Varg's ideas, I'm still very glad of the fact that I don't.


That post makes no sense BUT:
-Burzum actually do play black metal.
_________________
"But I found the catchuness in those fast paced high pitched screams"-FOrbIDen,

Top
 Profile  
caspian
Wanderer of the Wastes

Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:29 pm
Posts: 6115
Location: Australia
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:36 am 
 

huh, I was kinda disappointed. It was nutty but moreso boring nutty, nowhere near as funny as I expected. Oh well. I still need to give his newest one a listen, incidentally..
_________________
http://www.pozible.com/project/177604 <-- got a crowdfunder thing going for an album I'm doing. Pre-order something!

Top
 Profile  
vengefulgoat
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:15 am
Posts: 977
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:46 am 
 

Acidgobblin wrote:
Kigo7 wrote:
I think that although NSBM and Varg have similar views on race, I'd imagine that Varg wouldn't want to be associated with them because NS is associated with BM and Varg hates BM or if not, he doesn't agree with its ideas/philosophy any more. And, while I have never agreed with Varg's ideas, I'm still very glad of the fact that I don't.


That post makes no sense BUT:
-Burzum actually do play black metal.

His latest shouldn't really be classified as black metal, even disregarding that you can obviously play a genre musically but distance yourself from the scene/ideology (see 'unblack metal' bands)

Top
 Profile  
Ilwhyan
Metel fraek

Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:41 pm
Posts: 6526
Location: Finland
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:44 pm 
 

ScandalfTheShite wrote:
I sure don't fit in Varg's big picture of racially pure Europe, as I have some Sami blood in me. So I don't support his views.

I hope you don't mean to imply that you'd find the ideology more acceptable if you were, cough, aryan yourself.
_________________
"Behold, wizard, for the last time how the sun looks, for henceforth you will watch it with empty sockets!"
Illusions Dead - death/black metal

Top
 Profile  
marktheviktor
Metal freak

Joined: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:41 am
Posts: 6904
Location: United States of America
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:00 pm 
 

If he wanted the last album to sound not too black metal, he accomplished that. Not that it was any good.

Top
 Profile  
Kigo7
Metal newbie

Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:51 pm
Posts: 164
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:17 pm 
 

Fun fact, "Aryan" originally denoted someone of Persian origin rather than someone of (European) racial purity. Plus, "Europe" only existed as a geopolitical construct since the late 1940s-early 1950s so Varg's wrong on that count.

What I meant by "Varg doesn't agree with the philosophy of Black Metal any more" was that Varg Vikernes moved away from Satanism to Neo-Paganism and said Neo-Paganism has coloured Burzum's more recent albums.

Top
 Profile  
Acidgobblin
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 2235
Location: Antarctica
PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:28 pm 
 

^But its inconsistent of him to reject black metal and yet still actually play it. BM was never purely about satanism but is largely associated with it because of his own actions (church burnings, satanic lyrics, interviews claiming to be satanists, etc.)

To summarise, he's a fucken dick....;)
_________________
"But I found the catchuness in those fast paced high pitched screams"-FOrbIDen,

Top
 Profile  
ScandalfTheShite
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:46 am
Posts: 410
Location: Finland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:06 am 
 

Ilwhyan wrote:
ScandalfTheShite wrote:
I sure don't fit in Varg's big picture of racially pure Europe, as I have some Sami blood in me. So I don't support his views.

I hope you don't mean to imply that you'd find the ideology more acceptable if you were, cough, aryan yourself.


No no no, you misunderstood me there! Even if I looked like some hybrid of Thor and The Austrian Oak I wouldn't still support his views.
_________________
Give me the mustard, you bastard!

Top
 Profile  
vengefulgoat
Metalhead

Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:15 am
Posts: 977
Location: Poland
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:47 pm 
 

Acidgobblin wrote:
^But its inconsistent of him to reject black metal and yet still actually play it. BM was never purely about satanism but is largely associated with it because of his own actions (church burnings, satanic lyrics, interviews claiming to be satanists, etc.)

Bullshit, satanism was a part of BM long before Burzum existed. And Varg always denounced satanism and claimed to burn church for pagan reasons (which makes sense also given Jorn's participation who wasn't satanist either, I don't give a fuck enough to watch the bullshit docummentaries).
Umskiptar isn't really black metal even purely by musical standars, and it's still better than what all of big norwegian bands have been releasing for years (with the exception of Mayhem).

Top
 Profile  
raumr
Metal newbie

Joined: Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:11 pm
Posts: 336
Location: Norway
PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

vengefulgoat wrote:
Bullshit, satanism was a part of BM long before Burzum existed. And Varg always denounced satanism and claimed to burn church for pagan reasons (which makes sense also given Jorn's participation who wasn't satanist either, I don't give a fuck enough to watch the bullshit docummentaries).


That's revisionism. Varg spouted satanic shit in 91-92 before he became more pagan oriented. Just look up old interviews, unless you (like Varg) claim them all to be false Jew-lies, or you believe he was being "metaphoric" about it all.

Varg dressed up as a vampire, dyed his hair black, used corpse paint and posed in black-and-white photos just like every other member of the scene at the time.
_________________
Av is er jeg kommet

Top
 Profile  
Woolie_Wool
Metalhead

Joined: Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:56 pm
Posts: 1673
Location: Far beyond the prophecy of tyrant guardians
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:11 am 
 

Jewish metal about the bloodthirsty, mass-murdering old testament YHWH, glorifying his wanton cruelty and disregard for human life, would be awesome. Too bad his son turned out to be a pussy hippie peacenik. I mean, most of the Tanakh basically boiled down to three things:

1. God ordering the Israelites to savagely and mercilessly butcher all their neighbors.
2. God killing Israelites because they disobey him, or they don't pray hard enough, or he woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning.
3. What the Israelites must to to not be killed by God (and even then, it's still not good enough. Enjoy your fire and brimstone!).

Metal. The conquest of Canaan is like a thousand Manowar songs waiting to be made.

Quote:
All the same, it's pretty silly that he seems to really think EU (any part of it) ever existed in a bubble free of even purely masturbatory homosexuality.

Maybe he's actually Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He's almost crazy enough.

raumr wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
I've always had a question about racially pure [anywhere], at what point does a plan like that dissolve into mass incest? You would think that would happen after a while with a group of people who weren't allowed to hook up with anyone besides their own white and blonde kinsmen.


You are aware of the fact that there exists more than just one family of white people right? Peoples of the past were restricted to marry another member of your own race (skin colour). Isolated places, like Iceland, had little to no outside influence for a long time, but that does not make them inbred. Even if you are a total Nazi, there are enough blue-eyed, white-skinned people around without resorting to incest.


The "white race" exists only as a social construct; it was made up by European colonialists (along with the other "races" we are familiar with) to justify colonialism and slavery. The phenotypes that make up "white people" can be found all the way from Portugal, to lighter-skinned North African peoples, to the Pashtun, Hezara, and Tajiks of Afghanistan, and even the Ainu of northern Japan. The "white race" cannot be "pure" because it consists of people who look a certain way, regardless of how they are actually related.

Linguistic distinctions like Anglophones, Francophones, Arabs, etc. run far deeper than race does.
_________________
Wilytank wrote:
Of course, nothing respectable about the penis. We gents need to all grab the nearest sharp object and start hacking.

Top
 Profile  
Acidgobblin
Metalhead

Joined: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:56 pm
Posts: 2235
Location: Antarctica
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:59 am 
 

vengefulgoat wrote:
Acidgobblin wrote:
^But its inconsistent of him to reject black metal and yet still actually play it. BM was never purely about satanism but is largely associated with it because of his own actions (church burnings, satanic lyrics, interviews claiming to be satanists, etc.)

Bullshit, satanism was a part of BM long before Burzum existed. And Varg always denounced satanism and claimed to burn church for pagan reasons (which makes sense also given Jorn's participation who wasn't satanist either, I don't give a fuck enough to watch the bullshit docummentaries)


Yeah, satanism was a part of BM before Burzum and other 2nd wave bands, but Burzum (and others) song lyrics, professed ideology, interviews, acts of arson etc helped develop the tropes and cliches of 2nd wave black metal. That he claims paganism as a motive is pure historical revisionism. If the church burnings etc. were done for some pagan reclamation of hallowed soil, Varg did himself a disservice by telling the media and others at the time that it was done for satanic reasons. I would trust very little of what Varg say about those times; people tend to change and rewrite their motives when looking back at the follies of youth.

Quote:
Umskiptar isn't really black metal even purely by musical standars, and it's still better than what all of big norwegian bands have been releasing for years (with the exception of Mayhem).


No, that album is a black metal album; a dull and thoughtless album, but still black metal. To hell with being too fucking cool for black metal! ;)
_________________
"But I found the catchuness in those fast paced high pitched screams"-FOrbIDen,

Top
 Profile  
Turner
Metalhead

Joined: Fri Aug 23, 2002 2:04 am
Posts: 1244
Location: Germany
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:43 am 
 

raumr wrote:
That's revisionism. Varg spouted satanic shit in 91-92 before he became more pagan oriented. Just look up old interviews, unless you (like Varg) claim them all to be false Jew-lies, or you believe he was being "metaphoric" about it all.

Varg dressed up as a vampire, dyed his hair black, used corpse paint and posed in black-and-white photos just like every other member of the scene at the time.


exactly. plus i think a lot of people forget that, all hype aside, varg + others were all a bunch of 19-year-old kids when this now-notorious "era" happened. now you have a 40-year-old dude whose adolescence has been dissected by the metal media non-stop for the last 20 years. in a scene where integrity means so much, i kinda understand why he's trying to tie his various phases together.

also, criticism of the man aside, there really aren't that many artists who've consistently released albums on the level he has, especially with a lengthy prison sentence in the mix. the only album of his i can find fault in is daudi baldrs - not bad, really.

Top
 Profile  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 8  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: dreadmeat, JohnTheDrummer, Stormrider, TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah, ThePoop, true_death and 26 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

 
Jump to:  

Back to the Encyclopaedia Metallum


Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group