This guy's got a point. Once a dutch guy stepped on my feet with his traditional european wooden shoes. That shit hurts.

Who let the trolls out? Varg Varg Varg

I've read your posts several times now KFD, and they don't make any sense what-so-ever.

Yeah, and whats your point? Are you suggesting that Varg has discovered some sort of truth? Because, lets be frank, he hasn't said one original thing in the last 15 years (if ever), let alone something approximating truth.

And yeah, many people do find the topic of racism, white supremacy and xenophobia as 'sensitive' and worthy of discussion. Don't join a discussion by trying to place yourself somehow above it- its very transparent.

Varg Vikernes is a man who has become brainwashed by his own press and he's milking it for all it's worth.

What do you think about the video that he linked on his blog? Do you think it's a worthy argument for the preservation of the white race?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... AebOPGpp0k

What are you talking about with preservation? It's illogical that there's anything that could be described as a genocide going on, and the white "race" isn't about to disappear. Their bullshit is thoroughly self-contradictory, one-sided and idiotic.

White people can't marry within without being called racist? Almost everyone does marry someone with a similar ethnic background and nationality. A higher percentage white people marry other white, than what could be said about anyone else. It's simple math. There is after all a higher number of white people, and whenever a white person does marry a black person within a white majority country they are also "killing off" the black race. The result within the countries are in fact the opposite of what they claim. It's always the minorities that are being "erased" through interracial marriages. Their argument is non-sense. There are so few people marrying another "race", so there is no real reason to assume that either skin color will "disappear". And if you start making a big fuzz out of how you would never marry a black person, and that other white people shouldn't do it either, then there's a fairly high chance that you indeed are a racist.

The main point of the focus of the anti-racist groups is that it is happening in white majority countries, with a history of inequality and oppression. Black people fighting for black people's status and rights in a white majority country are not trying to oppress other's based on their color. The white majority, almost always when they are trying to do the "same" (fighting for white people's rights), they are pushing downwards on people with a lesser status and fewer rights. The white people in most of these situations are not fighting for equal rights; they are fighting to keep the power away from people of a different color/ethnicity/nationality (even though foreign nationalities will disappear with generations). Comparing white and black rights groups in white majority countries doesn't make any sense. If it is an honest white person fighting for equal rights in some African or Asian country, then it could make more sense, but that's not what they're referring to.

He didn't. He pointed to pictures of excesses and said he wanted away from those.

By normal logic, yes, but most of the people who whine about the white race being destroyed like this tend to follow the "one-drop rule" whereby they consider anyone with one drop of non-white blood to be non-white. The mathematics support their argument when they believe this.

If these brown eyed, brown haired (white trash) women think they are "purebred" they might want to do a DNA test. Besides, where does the line go, as everyone are related, and why do they define a race by the color of the skin? That's not where the biological differences go. If they refer to black people as belonging to the "black race" they are scientifically wrong. It also proves that what they really care about is not biology, and that their reason has nothing to do with sustaining the biological diversity of the human species (not that it sounds much better).

I don't know my ancestors further back than a couple hundred years. I'm white, dark blonde, blue eyed, and all my known ancestors are Norwegian. Does that mean that I am a "true" Norwegian? Funny that I've got a German surname then. What if I knew I had a foreign ancestor way back? I assume I have some German, because of the name. These people don't have any proof of their heritage, they just feel "pure", or just trace their heritage back to where their immigrant families came from in the 19th century or so ("wow", 4 or 5 entire generations). They have no idea where their genes come from, and if they start collecting proof of who are the "purest" white (whatever that means) then they can't exactly claim not to be racists. Why are racists so proud of being racists, yet so fearful of admitting it?

Who are they even trying to convince with that video? I doubt they make this just to get people to stop bothering them. They are obviously just preaching to the choir, as no one who ever considered interracial marriage would be convinced not to by such illogical, unscientific, inaccurate and hateful rationalizing. No one are being forced into the interracial marriages, so if their fantasies had come true it would simply mean that no one agrees with them. If no one agrees with them, what's the point of trying to warn them? Isn't their entire logic that other people don't agree? All this video does is the same as all racist videos does: It just gives racist bigots more confidence.


Yeah. Those Aztec people are sure living the dream in their pure Aztec country of Mexico...

The Aztecs already paid the price for their shitty behaviour: the other tribes joined the Spanish and helped overthrow the Aztec Empire.

I would think that church burning and murder are relatively excessive, no?

Point taken.

Clearly, and with that, he's making no point at all. The fact that it's easier for someone to imagine those bands to be nazi, or even that that they're objectively speaking closer to having nazist beliefs than another arbitrarily chosen group of metalheads (if that's even true, in any case), says nothing relevant about the connection between the fundamental characteristics of the genre and NS. All of the racist or racialist nonsense those early Norwegians spouted can quite safely be handwaved away as attempts to visibly embrace extremity so as to appear to have beliefs in accordance with the music's revolutionary nature. I think the violence, radical anti-christianity and racism assiociated with black metal can all be lumped together as one element. Yes, racial bigotry was considered quite extreme in the Nordic countries in the 90s, probably much more so than open anti-christianty (even in Norway).

Yeah what a nut! Having politically incorrect opinions is a sign of insanity!

Oh blow it out your ass

Wouldn't call it opinions when you spout things that are factually wrong. I mean, thinking the world is flat and that the moon is made out of spinnach isn't an opinion, and his ramblings are on that level.

We all know Varg is nothing more than a half-mad half-insane maniac, so there's no need to try and convince us that we just can't handle the realness of his opinions.

I'm a bit late to the party, but this thread reminded me of Dr. William Pierce's video on extreme music, especially black and death metal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I_nmGKS5sI

See how many albums you can recognize!

Got to agree that classifying early Norway as NS is a huge overinterpretation (I doubt any of the musicians had any serious knowledge about the NS and similiar movements), even if that wave itself was a huge direct influence for NS bands later on to appear. However, while the original Summoning sentence:

isn't false, it doesn't prove anything, as I doubt any of serious NSBM (Der Sturmer) or generally right wing bands, care at all how "true" are they seen in the eyes of anti-human, degenerate, nihilist black metal scene.

Also, I like how Varg claims to be all pro-(entire)Europe, seeing intereuropean tensions as apparently Jewish success, yet he's reblogging some of the most pathetic, chauvinistic German revisionist stuff that I doubt even anyone in NPD believes. I don't just say it as a Pole hurt by Germans claiming that post WWII borders weren't fair or that they are shown in a worse light than they really deserve, but twisting history around by 180 degrees from PC version gives a result that's infinite times more bullshit.

Haha, That William Pierce video was fucking hilarious! I loved the part where he mentioned knowing Evil D.

Perhaps, but I can imagine that "trueness" being attractive to black metal listening potentially NS youth, especially.

For black metal? No, it's the "new normal" :)



I guess to me the distinction is between opinions that are logical and those that are not. We already know most of mainstream politics are broken; adopting a "non-politically correct" viewpoint that is also broken wouldn't help, it seems to me.

Holy shit, are you for real?

Hey, anyone ever got a broken leg from skiing? Skiing is harmful!

Crisse de crétin...



You know what, this thread has outlived its usefulness. Varg is a blithering idiot and a raving lunatic, anyone with a square inch of brain matter can realize it. Nothing more to say on the subject.