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Dette can play the parts no doubt, so could Bostaph, so could most good drummers. Still rather see Dave behind the kit.

caspian wrote:

just popped into this thread to say that you certainly don't miss Lombardo live. The new drummer's a beast.

Better than Lombardo? Yeah right...

quit acting like lombardo is some kind of prodigy. he's a good drummer, nothing more.

Dette can play the parts no doubt, so could Bostaph, so could most good drummers. Still rather see Dave behind the kit.

Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left?

Subrick wrote:

Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left?

I don't think Kerry is stupid enough to do something like that. Araya's vocals are associated with the band's sound about as much as the guitars and it's rather hard to think about any singers that would be drafted in his place.

Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left?

quit acting like lombardo is some kind of prodigy. he's a good drummer, nothing more.

Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left?

I can't decide what is more retarded between posts about Divine Intervention being Slayer's Magnum Opus, mediocre thrash albums made by guys who are now flipping burgers being hailed as more representative of thrash than Reign in Blood and now Lombardo being called "a good drummer, nothing more".

Riffs wrote:

Well, if you take things out of context, they can become as retarded as you make them sound, bro. I'm certain you know exactly what "representative" typically means as an adjective and how it differs from "good", "notable" or "popular" in the context of the post of mine you're making fun of, here. Also, out of principle, I'll have you know that flipping burgers and creating outstanding art are not mutually exclusive activities. Funny post in and of itself, however.

i've never seen slayer live, which is fucking shocking considering how long i've been listening to metal lol

any road, they are now coming to Belfast this year, but with no Jeff and no lombardo it seems: bit gutted i'll only see half original lineup but from what i hear the stand ins are accomplished and i shouldn't be disappointed

any thoughts?

http://www.metalsucks.net/2013/03/25/now-slayer-are-considering-ditching-jeff-hanneman/

So yeah, I don't expect anyone to like this in any way, shape, or form.

Wouldnt be surprised if Gary writes a song for it.

I think it's a shitty situation for Slayer fans.

but I’ve always said that all of their albums — yes, even the non-Lombardo ones — are good, despite the fact that they never ever do anything different. In fact, but I am wearing a Slayer shirt right now by PURE COINCIDENCE — I put it on this morning before I checked my RSS feed or e-mail. Slayer are my favorite Big Four band because they never got crappy, never followed trends

Kerry King seems to be 100% cynical businessman nowadays. Hell even Lars Hetfield and James Ulrich are more likeable at this point because at least they don't treat each other and their bandmembers like condoms.

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90s amnesia?

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90s amnesia?

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:01 pm ]
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Dette can play the parts no doubt, so could Bostaph, so could most good drummers. Still rather see Dave behind the kit.

Author:	BastardHead [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:09 pm ]
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Ancient_Mariner wrote: Dette can play the parts no doubt, so could Bostaph, so could most good drummers. Still rather see Dave behind the kit. This is really the point. I understand why fans are raging, but when it comes to live shows I'm not all that worried. Lombardo's style was integral to the band's sound early on, but now that those song are already written, he's pretty easily replaced/replicated. The only reason I care a bit more about Hanneman's absence is because if they go back into the studio without him, it'll actually make a difference since he writes a good chunk of the songs (though if you check the last two albums, King somehow wrote most of the good ones, it's like they flip flopped somewhere in the 90s).

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:30 pm ]
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Well to me its getting close to a cover band when half or more of the members are gone. Neither one has really written many great song lately.

Author:	Subrick [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:32 pm ]
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Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left?

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:35 pm ]
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Wouldn't be surprised. He can get Corey Taylor to sing.

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Author:	Turner [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:26 pm ]
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Sonofabitch Thirdgeneration wrote: caspian wrote: just popped into this thread to say that you certainly don't miss Lombardo live. The new drummer's a beast. Better than Lombardo? Yeah right... quit acting like lombardo is some kind of prodigy. he's a good drummer, nothing more.

Author:	Subrick [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:47 pm ]
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Turner wrote: quit acting like lombardo is some kind of prodigy. he's a good drummer, nothing more.

Author:	Mike_64 [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:54 pm ]
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Ancient_Mariner wrote: Dette can play the parts no doubt, so could Bostaph, so could most good drummers. Still rather see Dave behind the kit. This. If you watch Live Intrusion on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiPr_bDqow), Bostaph pretty much nails all Dave's stuff. I doubt you could tell the difference between both drummers if you didn't already know it was Bostaph behind the kit. But of course this conflicts when recording new material. It's no secret that most fans want Dave's fast, aggressive style over Bostaph's technical more precise drumming.

Author:	caspian [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:55 pm ]
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Lombardo was pretty instrumental in the whole thrash scene. No one did the double time snare abuse quite as much as he did; quite influential I'd say, far more than "just a good drummer".

Author:	Twisted_Psychology [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:19 pm ]
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Subrick wrote: Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left? I don't think Kerry is stupid enough to do something like that. Araya's vocals are associated with the band's sound about as much as the guitars and it's rather hard to think about any singers that would be drafted in his place.

Author:	BastardHead [ Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:06 pm ]
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Twisted_Psychology wrote: Subrick wrote: Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left? I don't think Kerry is stupid enough to do something like that. Araya's vocals are associated with the band's sound about as much as the guitars and it's rather hard to think about any singers that would be drafted in his place. Wait wait wait, that dude from Evile sounds just like Tom Araya, and since he also plays guitar he won't need to bring back Hanneman, and since he'll be playing for his idols he'll probably work for chump change, then Kerry only needs to find a scrub for the bass. Holy shit I think we accidentally just figured out his master plan

Author:	DeadXManiac [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:38 am ]
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^ LOOOL. Precisely it.

Author:	novakm [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:52 am ]
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Subrick wrote: Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left? That will never happen. To too many casual fans, it would be the loss of the frontman and main presence. King is smarter than that. Turner wrote: quit acting like lombardo is some kind of prodigy. he's a good drummer, nothing more. He was certainly influential in his day, but today there are plenty of drummers that can replicate what he's doing. I always preferred Bostaph anyway.

Author:	Riffs [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:34 am ]
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I can't decide what is more retarded between posts about Divine Intervention being Slayer's Magnum Opus, mediocre thrash albums made by guys who are now flipping burgers being hailed as more representative of thrash than Reign in Blood and now Lombardo being called "a good drummer, nothing more".

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:47 pm ]
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Its like when I talk to kids today who tell me Judas Priest and Iron Maiden aren't heavy metal, they are classic rock because they lack a screamo vocalist and death metal influenced guitarists. Dave L is an awesome drummer. Great feel and power. Is he the greatest drummer ever? No, but one of the greats in metal history and nobody else works in Slayer like him IMO.

Author:	LegendMaker [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:26 am ]
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Yeah, I see where you're coming from, dude. Well, being limited in scope was always a reality for thrash, that's part of what makes good thrash so good: it's not how many limitations you acknowledge, it's how you manage to keep things interesting within those limitations (current retrothrash bands might understand this someday, who knows). If the bulk of the riffs are not primarily based on tootootootootootootootoo-duh, too-too-too, too-too-too, too-too-too and too-duh, too-duh, too-duh, the music can quickly become something else and no longer (just) thrash. That's part of the fun.

Author:	LegendMaker [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:42 pm ]
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Yop, Riffs summed it up very well. I watched the whole interview as well and I really don't like Kerry's tone and attitude, there. He talks of Jeff like they're completely estranged by now and he makes it clear that he doesn't give a shit about that. He'll release a "Slayer" album soon, with or without Jeff, he's "got Slayer covered in case Jeff doesn't joins the party", and Jeff is only in contact with their manager at this point, not his teammates directly... Also, I was a bit shocked by the way Kerry King addressed the question about Show no fucking Mercy's upcoming 30th motherfucking anniversary. He almost went "oh this old thing?" and improvised a half-assed answer on the spot by saying "it's been re-released I think 5-6 years ago", they won't play it live to celebrate the anniversary, and "the most I can see us doing is play the few tracks off of it we still play in a row, in the middle of the set or something". Jeff Hanneman, please wake up and smell the lawsuit while there's still time.

Author:	Subrick [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:37 am ]
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Revisionist history knows no boundaries. Why else do you think some people can look at Cradle of Filth's crazy as fuck 90s material and say "that's not extreme at all"?

Author:	ahr888 [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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Subrick wrote: Any bets on when Tom will be shoved out of the group in some manner leaving Kerry the only original member left? Now that's a change I wouldn't mind seeing. Slayer could use someone who tries to sing or growl and stops screaming. But seems that Tom is King's sidekick so it's unlikely.

Author:	LegendMaker [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:47 pm ]
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Riffs wrote: I can't decide what is more retarded between posts about Divine Intervention being Slayer's Magnum Opus, mediocre thrash albums made by guys who are now flipping burgers being hailed as more representative* of thrash than Reign in Blood* and now Lombardo being called "a good drummer, nothing more". Well, if you take things out of context, they can become as retarded as you make them sound, bro. I'm certain you know exactly what "representative" typically means as an adjective and how it differs from "good", "notable" or "popular" in the context of the post of mine you're making fun of, here. Also, out of principle, I'll have you know that flipping burgers and creating outstanding art are not mutually exclusive activities. Funny post in and of itself, however.

Author:	Riffs [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:23 pm ]
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LegendMaker wrote: Riffs wrote: I can't decide what is more retarded between posts about Divine Intervention being Slayer's Magnum Opus, mediocre thrash albums made by guys who are now flipping burgers being hailed as more representative* of thrash than Reign in Blood* and now Lombardo being called "a good drummer, nothing more". Well, if you take things out of context, they can become as retarded as you make them sound, bro. I'm certain you know exactly what "representative" typically means as an adjective and how it differs from "good", "notable" or "popular" in the context of the post of mine you're making fun of, here. Also, out of principle, I'll have you know that flipping burgers and creating outstanding art are not mutually exclusive activities. Funny post in and of itself, however. Thank you, LM! Happy you're taking it this way, I just had to handpick quotes for maximum effect It's all irrelevant, you know. It's just different perspectives. It's fun when the opinions are educated, and certainly I enjoyed reading your posts and that's all that matters. My opinions are not any better than anyone else's but I was surprised at how many things I disagreed with on this thread. The forum was buggy at the time I posted so I couldn't go through the thread and just picked what I could remember. I'm used to opinions about Metallica that I find totally fucked up but I didn't know this had reached Slayer yet, I guess. For what it's worth, I don't think there was such a thing as representative thrash. But if fans at large think it's stuff like some of what you mentioned here, it may explain why thrash died relatively quickly and never grew an audience worthy of succeeding traditional heavy metal. Cause some of that stuff sounds limited to me. Both is scope and in potential appeal.

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:26 pm ]
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I remember back in the olden days when thrash was extreme metal and the traditional metal fans were often saying it was just noise. Though in the late 80's-early 90's thrash, well a couple of the big bands, began to overtake regular metal in popularity at least over here. But it didn't last and while Metallica became bigger than any of the regular metal bands they did it by pretty much taking the thrash out of their sound.

Author:	Zephirus [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:44 pm ]
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i've never seen slayer live, which is fucking shocking considering how long i've been listening to metal lol any road, they are now coming to Belfast this year, but with no Jeff and no lombardo it seems: bit gutted i'll only see half original lineup but from what i hear the stand ins are accomplished and i shouldn't be disappointed any thoughts?

Author:	~Guest 183305 [ Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:49 pm ]
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Zephirus wrote: i've never seen slayer live, which is fucking shocking considering how long i've been listening to metal lol any road, they are now coming to Belfast this year, but with no Jeff and no lombardo it seems: bit gutted i'll only see half original lineup but from what i hear the stand ins are accomplished and i shouldn't be disappointed any thoughts? Saw them with replacement members, they still put on a great show. I have been a fan of them forever, so its a tough comparison for me personally. You won't be disappointed though. One thing Slayer has never done, and that's put on a disappointing show.

Author:	Porman [ Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:03 pm ]
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Lombardo can be great when he wants to. But if he's bored, which he obviously was on Decade of Aggression, he is sloppy. You can do practically unlimited takes in the studio, but what really matters is nailing it live. I'll tell you one thing, he ain't no Hoglan!

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:00 pm ]
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Seem 'em three times with Dave since the reunion and he was amazing. Then again Bostaph destroyed it when I saw them live with him too. Still was a bit of a different feel to them for me. Maybe it was just that Dave is the guy who turned drums from something that keeps the beat to something I key on so I'm sentimental.

Author:	Subrick [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:40 am ]
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http://www.metalsucks.net/2013/03/25/no ... -hanneman/ So yeah, I don't expect anyone to like this in any way, shape, or form.

Author:	Kveldulfr [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:59 am ]
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Subrick wrote: http://www.metalsucks.net/2013/03/25/now-slayer-are-considering-ditching-jeff-hanneman/ So yeah, I don't expect anyone to like this in any way, shape, or form. It's not surprising, considering Jeff is doing well nowadays and he doesn't want to be back to this drama queen-band. Hell, when I saw Slayer live in 93, it was one of the most intense concerts I've attended on my life. You could feel the ferocity, the passion, the violence of the songs and how people got even more violent moshing. Now Slayer looks worst than Dream Theater/Portnoy. Now, this is for the money, how fucking lame.

Author:	The Lions Den [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:08 am ]
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It's still makes sense Slayer existence without Hannemann and Lombardo?

Author:	Riffs [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:08 am ]
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Subrick wrote: http://www.metalsucks.net/2013/03/25/now-slayer-are-considering-ditching-jeff-hanneman/ So yeah, I don't expect anyone to like this in any way, shape, or form. Yeah, it was kind of obvious that the spider bite wound at this point was but a bullshit excuse, as I said earlier. Slayer just isn't Slayer without Hanneman and Lombardo. And I sincerely hope those two unite to form their own band.

Author:	MARSDUDE [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:28 am ]
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Wow, shitty idea to ditch Hanneman. Show some respect, Kerry.

Author:	aaronmb666 [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:10 pm ]
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I bet when the new album flops, he'll blame it on downloading. Wouldnt be surprised if Gary writes a song for it.

Author:	Riffs [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:40 pm ]
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aaronmb666 wrote: Wouldnt be surprised if Gary writes a song for it. That's the other depressing thing. I watched the whole interview and basically, King doesn't treat Slayer like a band anymore. Throughout the interview, King speaks of that other guitarist slot like it's an interchangeable part, mentioning Hanneman and Holt turn by turn like they are disposable robots. He mentions having written enough material for the next album by himself and only opens the door for outside stuff if Hanneman was to come back. So basically, if Holt stays, it's as a mercenary for performances only. Kind of a waste considering how talented the guy is. It's a shitty situation all around. Shitty for Lombardo and for Hanneman, of course. Also shitty for Holt (but hey, he's big enough to know what he's doing). It also drags the Slayer name through the mud and most importantly, I think it's a shitty situation for Slayer fans.

Author:	Oddeye [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 12:48 pm ]
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Riffs wrote: I think it's a shitty situation for Slayer fans. Amen.

Author:	inhumanist [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:45 pm ]
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Kerry King seems to be 100% cynical businessman nowadays. Hell even Lars Hetfield and James Ulrich are more likeable at this point because at least they don't treat each other and their bandmembers like condoms. Quote: but I’ve always said that all of their albums — yes, even the non-Lombardo ones — are good, despite the fact that they never ever do anything different. In fact, but I am wearing a Slayer shirt right now by PURE COINCIDENCE — I put it on this morning before I checked my RSS feed or e-mail. Slayer are my favorite Big Four band because they never got crappy, never followed trends 90s amnesia?

Author:	Ancient_Mariner [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:48 pm ]
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inhumanist wrote: Kerry King seems to be 100% cynical businessman nowadays. Hell even Lars Hetfield and James Ulrich are more likeable at this point because at least they don't treat each other and their bandmembers like condoms. Quote: but I’ve always said that all of their albums — yes, even the non-Lombardo ones — are good, despite the fact that they never ever do anything different. In fact, but I am wearing a Slayer shirt right now by PURE COINCIDENCE — I put it on this morning before I checked my RSS feed or e-mail. Slayer are my favorite Big Four band because they never got crappy, never followed trends 90s amnesia? Yeah, people who say Slayer never changed or chased trends must have missed a few albums there.

Author:	ModusOperandi [ Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:39 pm ]
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More like one album, maybe two at most. Diabolus in Musica was almost entirely written by Hanneman, so it's not like the guy's infallible when it comes to his output over the years. To be blunt, not every song he's written since then has been a zinger, either. If his taking time away leads to returning refreshed both physically and creatively, he can't be faulted because it's certainly been needed on both fronts. I'll speculate he's the more likely to come back between him and Dave. If King's this sharp businessman that he thinks he is, he knows damn well that the next album is going to be one hard sell to the label and to the fans without at least ONE of those two on board. Really, I'd just like to see Gary get a break from all this shit so he can focus on the next Exodus album. Dude's been riffing it better than about all of his peers lately, anyway. Heathen doesn't look like they're doing fuck all so maybe Lee will write more for it, too.