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7Halberd
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:54 pm 
 

My likes: satanism, paganism, death, history, medieval warfare, depression, hatred

My dislikes: gore, politics, beer, partying, sex, elves/trolls

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Cthulhu_Fhtagn
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:06 pm 
 

Like: fantasy, warfare, world war I/II, aliens, conspiracies, history, social issues/politics, nuclear war, personal issues, Lord of the Rings, Lovecraft, Warhammer 40k

Dislike: gore, satanism, paganism, racism/NS, mysogony, anti-religion
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Cloud0129
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:21 pm 
 

Though I don't mind gore (in the vein of stuff like Death and Blood Red Throne.) I'm not keen at all on misogyny/sexual abuse. I also hate NS and racist themes.

I like nihilistic stuff from bands like Decapitated and Origin, or anti-religion.

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Turner
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:33 pm 
 

i've always hated pseudo-intellectual crap - mostly "red wine, latin and gothick themes" black metal ala later emperor, and the likes of chuck schuldiner's social commentary. i've got nothing against either theme if they're well done, but so often it's like reading english 101 essays.

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Desperta_Ferro
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:48 pm 
 

Likes: history in general, medieval more so, warhammer 40k of course, self indulgent lyrics and metal itself (manowar the clearest example of this). Also, vague lyrics about rebellion and things like that (a la gamma ray, for instance), war, rome (like draugr did on their last one).

dislikes: sex, pseudo intellectual crap like Turner said, in general I hate all the bands that want to be deep and meaningful, maaaan. Forest hippie shit.

I don't mind gore and satanism and all your metal 101, I don't dislike them but not crazy about them either.

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Big_Grand
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:42 pm 
 

I like pretty much everything except racism or lyrics about the music itself in some cases ( a few dark throne songs in particular). I don't mind nationalism or socialistic lyrics if that band sounds good, stuff like burzem or peste noir. I guess the lyrics I like the most are nihilistic and nature themed lyrics.

Essay-ish lyrics only really work well with experimental and more industrial sounding bands who lecture it over something.

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Dux_Saxoniae
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:44 pm 
 

Cloud0129 wrote:
Though I don't mind gore (in the vein of stuff like Death and Blood Red Throne.) I'm not keen at all on misogyny/sexual abuse. I also hate NS and racist themes.

This. I hate racist themes, including those bands who 'only' toy with it (but let's not forget some German NSBM bands struck up very real connections to the neo-Nazi scene). And misogyny flat-out ruins a lot of the more puerile 80s bands.

On a more positive note, likes: history (esp. early medieval), politics, nature, myth, fiction (I'm okay with all the Tolkien bands, for instance).

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Desperta_Ferro
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:58 pm 
 

just for the record, what do you guys consider "misogyny"?

It may be a stupid question, but bear with me, because I don't consider, say, Fucked With a Knife to be misogynist... or if it is, not in a harmful way

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Turner
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:19 pm 
 

well it kinda is - the song's about dominating a woman by fucking and stabbing her to death at the same time, and you can guarantee that rape victims find it offensive. it just doesn't really occur to you cause it's probably not an issue for you personally.

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Mike_235
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:04 pm 
 

I dislike gore lyrics for the most part for the same reason I dislike most horror movies. I like lyrics that express the thoughts and emotions of the artists, and I enjoy subtlety. I also like it when lyrics are open to interpretation, because I feel music itself can be interpreted in many different ways, so it's nice when the lyrics reflect that also.

All things considered, if I like the music, I don't care if the lyrics are bad. If it sounds good, I'll put up with misogyny, racism and all that nasty stuff no problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:14 pm 
 

I like lyrics that tell stories and talk about human, literary-type things. I like politics if it's done by a band that isn't retarded, and general social themes. I like stuff based on movies or books if it's done really, really well.

I hate racism and pretty much any band who uses it as a lyrical theme I will not listen to, or even if the members are known racists. They don't deserve any attention. Misogyny, eh, pretty much the same shit, but even I can't deny that Cannibal Corpse has some good stuff. I wouldn't really recommend them to people or talk about them outside of metal circles though, but eh, not sure who does anyway.
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FantomLord17
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:21 am 
 

I like lyrics about philosophy, science, social and personal issues, psychology, nature, mythology, history and also abstract and poetic lyrics (Insomnium in particular). Positive and feel good lyrics are also appreciated (power metal, basically), as are the melancholic lyrics most gothic and death-doom bands feature.

I dislike satanism, party/drinking, racism, stoner stuff, gore... they can be well written and certainly have their place in music, but I just find them to be dumb.

I for one like pretentious lyrics. If anything, I can at least believe the band put some effort into them. As for political lyrics, I like them when they are not blatant propaganda for or against a political party (hence why I can't stand oi! and rac). Politics and social issues are everywhere and I appreciate bands with social conciousness, but giving exposure to social situations and dilemmas and trying to make people think and think again is much better than telling them what to think.

In the end it always depends on the skill of the writer (or how easily you can ignore them) and its ability to avoid tired clichés or at least give them a bit of life. You want to sing about love? Fantastic, but please write something more interesting than "I love you so much babe oh". Want to do fantasy lyrics? Alright, but please know that lyrics about killing dragons and trolls with your flaming sword of doom in your quest to defeat that dark lord whose name you read while playing a MMO game for the umpteenth time is embarrassing for everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:33 am 
 

I enjoy all sorts of lyrics in metal. Satanic, nihilistic, cosmic, anti-religious, folklore/mythology related, fantasy or sci-fi themed, pagan/foresty types, gore, horror. Political lyrics are ok but I don't generally like them outside of thrash or punk-related genres.

I don't like Christian lyrics, or NS themes. Nationalism is very tricky, basically it's case-by-case. I'm not a big fan of lyrics that are hateful but about things people don't have a choice about.
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Nameless_Rites
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:58 am 
 

Turner wrote:
well it kinda is - the song's about dominating a woman by fucking and stabbing her to death at the same time, and you can guarantee that rape victims find it offensive. it just doesn't really occur to you cause it's probably not an issue for you personally.


The same could be said about almost any metal lyric violence. You wouldn't look at Nuclear Assault lyrics the same way if an ICBM killed your entire family, and you wouldn't look at Slayer lyrics the same way if Richard Ramirez had blown your grandma's head off. And on and on. Metalheads love violent fantasy because it's almost a guarantee they would never encounter any of the subject matter. So they can think about it and feel tough/hard without the scare of ever having to put their shit on the line.

Cannibal Corpse tries to "go for the throat" by suggesting a nightmare scenario that **might actually happen in real life**, which somehow makes it more "shocking". The real reason lyrics like Cannibal Corpse's are offensive is because they're fucking dumb. Everyone loves to give their own self-image a boost by dumping spite on sexist/racist lyrics, when they should be attacking the generally low level of lyrical quality in metal.
Face it, most metal has terrible lyrics. Lyrics are probably the most neglected facet of music in any musical style. Even all those "intelligent" history/concept based lyrics that metal nerds love rarely go beyond literal event description - no poetic voice, no feel for the music of words, just "let's describe what happened at the Battle of Waterloo because that shit is FUCKING METAL, MAN!!!"

Compare almost any pop, metal, hardcore, prog, country, hip hop, rnb lyrics to poems by T.S. Eliot, John Milton, William Blake, or even Leonard Cohen for that matter. They always use standard rhyme scheme, there is no sort of narrative play going on, no underlying message that you actually have to think about to discover - just descriptions of brutal things happening.

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katatonia47
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:55 am 
 

Like: Personal stuff (as long as it's emo bullshit), Social commentary, Political stuff (like a lot of Crust bands) and Nihilism.

Dislike: Intentionally bad stuff (think Barbatos), Cannibal Corpse-esque stuff, and while I'm not a fan of racism in music, it doesn't affect the listening as much as I feel it should sometimes.
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DreamOfDarkness
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:32 am 
 

I generally dislike any stupid/childish/sterotypic lyrics which appear in most lyrical genres. Often gore-themed lyrics are awfully written, but also many retro thrash bands have really crappy lyrics about drinking and partying. Oh, and racist lyrics are a no-go for me aswell.
I think I'm more for the philosophical stuff (which also appears in most genres) as long as there is a point to it.

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ScandalfTheShite
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:56 am 
 

Some bands whose lyrics I like: Iron Maiden, Bathory, early Manowar, Manilla Road, Babylon Whores, Reverend Bizarre...

So I like mostly lyrics that tell a story, and lyrics that are somehow intentionally over-the-top or contain (black) humour. I'm all for this homage thing RB used to do, though Iron Maiden kind of made it before them already. Occult is always a good subject. But it can be done very badly too.

I dislike basically the newer Manowar lyrics. They've done on a lyric generator or something. Also most NSBM lyrics seem very tired, especially if they're all about white wolves, holocaust, Hitler worship, inferiority of the Jews and that stuff.
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schizoid
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:47 am 
 

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU MAKE A LIST THREAD OUT OF LYRICS!!!!

silly me thinking this may be a decent thread. Surrounded by idiots. Thanks to those trying to salvage this.

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Nebster173
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:35 pm 
 

Dislike: Partying, beer, weed, drugs, politics, personal stuff, philosophy, world war 2, history, humor, tough guys, racism, culture, most fantasy lyrics, most of the retro thrash lyrics. There's much more I'm not remembering atm I'm sure. Like someone already said, lyrics are usually neglected in metal(as they should be).

Likes: Almost anything else really, as long as it's well written. And even when it's well written, I'll rarely ever care. Some lyrics are bad and they bring down the music with it. Some are bad but don't really effect the music. Some are really good, but do nothing to enhance the music. Some are really good and really enhance the music.

Nameless_Rites wrote:
Turner wrote:
well it kinda is - the song's about dominating a woman by fucking and stabbing her to death at the same time, and you can guarantee that rape victims find it offensive. it just doesn't really occur to you cause it's probably not an issue for you personally.


The same could be said about almost any metal lyric violence. You wouldn't look at Nuclear Assault lyrics the same way if an ICBM killed your entire family, and you wouldn't look at Slayer lyrics the same way if Richard Ramirez had blown your grandma's head off. And on and on. Metalheads love violent fantasy because it's almost a guarantee they would never encounter any of the subject matter. So they can think about it and feel tough/hard without the scare of ever having to put their shit on the line.

Cannibal Corpse tries to "go for the throat" by suggesting a nightmare scenario that **might actually happen in real life**, which somehow makes it more "shocking". The real reason lyrics like Cannibal Corpse's are offensive is because they're fucking dumb.


That's ridiculous. Most of Cannibal Corpse's lyrics are violence against men(or against people). If they stayed at that, absolutely no one would accuse them of misandry. They're a death metal band that mostly sings about horror and gore. Is there any good reason why they should exclude women? Even if they were infact misogynists, it's still incredibly stupid that people usually criticize them for misogyny before mentioning mutilation, torture, murder, genocide and all the other stuff they sing about.

And not a single cannibal corpse song is ever likely to happen.

Cannibal Corpse's lyrics are leagues ahead of most bands with gore lyrics. Just read the stuff out of Gallery of Suicide.

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GuitarGuyNack
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:57 pm 
 

Likes:History, war in general, the Holocaust, social/political issues(only if they're done well), serial killers, Immolation style anti-religion and gore(again, only if they're well written).Basically what I don't like is blatant Satanism or anything else that tries to push some form of religion or anything that leans to far in the direction of patriotism.
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Thiestru
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:01 pm 
 

Nebster173 wrote:
Dislike: Partying, beer, weed, drugs, politics, personal stuff, philosophy, world war 2, history, humor, tough guys, racism, culture, most fantasy lyrics, most of the retro thrash lyrics. There's much more I'm not remembering atm I'm sure. Like someone already said, lyrics are usually neglected in metal(as they should be).


Is this a joke? You ruled out nearly every subject out there, and yet you're sure there's 'much more' that you dislike that you're forgetting for now?! Do you just listen to instrumentals all day?

Anyway, I dislike most gore lyrics; it's just not my thing. Politics are an iffy topic, but I don't mind hearing about it now as much as I used to. I just prefer if they're intelligently written, of course. Any kind of pornographic lyrics are right out. I don't mind if bands sing about drugs, but honestly, I'm sick to death of 'pot bands'. It's not that interesting a substance, people. Get over it. Excessive silliness in lyrics annoys me too, but there are exceptions. I don't mind anti-religious lyrics, although I think it's played out.

Subjects that I enjoy hearing about are philosophy, personal topics (love, hate, depression, etc.), death, darkness, the occult, history, sci-fi and fantasy, science, space, nature, myths, and dreams. I also enjoy lyrics that are... well, not nationalistic, but lyrics that show pride in one's own culture. I don't mean racism either.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:08 pm 
 

Like: misanthropy, war, fantasy, anti religion, killing, devil worship, gore, hatred, fascism, apocalypse, zombies
Dislike:drugs, alcohol, partying, positivity, "pc"

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Wilytank
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:47 pm 
 

I really hate lyrics that talk about personal issues and emotions the way a lot of prog metal bands do. Whiny and pathetic, doesn't impress me.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:11 pm 
 

Like: psychology, nature, dreams, nightmares, supernatural, politics, paraphilia, fishing, darkness, loneliness, spirituality
Dislike: drugs, alcohol, partying, personal issues, gore, satanism
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:16 pm 
 

Like: grandiose megalomaniac from the first person perspective, modern warfare, death and the beyond in an intelligent manner, folksy heartbreak songs that overly romanticize but also educated and witty deconstructions of those same situations, and.....anything POWERFUL that goes with music that drives forward...

Dislike: gore, cliches, rah rah heavy metal brotherhood, pacifism or anything hippie, satanism or anything religious, basically anything that lacks a darkness or conflict...

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havoc00
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:46 pm 
 

Likes: Rape, gore, death,satanism, suicide

dislikes: politics, history, fantasy, aliens

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the16th6toothson
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:36 pm 
 

likes:
impossible/fantasy/obviously not real (hell/hades/torturous afterlife, ridiculous ways to murder someone, zombies, lovecraft),
psychological horror (silence of the lambs gone lyrical...but maybe i only like that because that's what i like to write about)


dislikes:
anything about stuff that's real (politics, religion, world problems, misogyny, racism-all of that crap that i want to ESCAPE from)
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Kveldulfr
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:47 pm 
 

I don't dislike much lyric topics, if they're properly written. I don't even mind hateful/racist/anti-religious stuff if the music fits and they are well written, pretty much like GBK's or Arghoslent ones. Metal has never been about being nice guys politically correct to anyone.

Party thrash bands' lyrics are usually childish, and also this:

Wilytank wrote:
I really hate lyrics that talk about personal issues and emotions the way a lot of prog metal bands do. Whiny and pathetic, doesn't impress me.


Excepting John Arch's lyrics which are beyond awesome. Dream Theater's lyrics are below average and often falls into the mediocrity. Pseudo intellectual pretentious stuff can be annoying as hell too.

Gore lyrics are overdone and are totally out of shock value anymore to me, and often the music is also terrible and empty, like Emnity or similar shitty stuff.

Doom often offers great lyrics and it's one of the best things of the genre.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:41 pm 
 

Kveldulfr wrote:
I don't dislike much lyric topics, if they're properly written. I don't even mind hateful/racist/anti-religious stuff if the music fits and they are well written, pretty much like GBK's or Arghoslent ones.

Pretty much with you here. If it's good, it's good.

However, most of the time I don't bother checking out the lyrics of a band if it's clear they have gore, satanic, party themes and so on. Like Devourment's lyrics. I like the band, but who gives a shit about what they grunt about?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:48 pm 
 

Nameless_Rites wrote:
Compare almost any pop, metal, hardcore, prog, country, hip hop, rnb lyrics to poems by T.S. Eliot, John Milton, William Blake, or even Leonard Cohen for that matter. They always use standard rhyme scheme, there is no sort of narrative play going on, no underlying message that you actually have to think about to discover - just descriptions of brutal things happening.


:lol: Yeah, because most music lyricists are aspiring to be Milton, Eliot or Blake...do you even realize what you're saying? Plus your whole post is full of sweeping generalizations and a rather narrow minded point of view towards a broad subject like lyrics. I studied literature and poetry in school for a long time, and really all I can tell you is, judging lyrics for contemporary music by the standards of classical/epic poetry is pretty stupid.

Of course everyone will have preferences here but really, I think a band's lyrics should be judged on the message they're trying to convey first and the literary value second. As I listen to a lot of PM, I get a lot of broken-English lyrics. Which I usually excuse if the lyrical message and standpoint behind them are admirable and have obvious effort put into it. Most people who play music are regular, blue collar dudes and dudettes. If they're smart, they'll take time and put hard work into lyrics as well as the music, and even if it's not some kind of poetic masterpiece, even if it uses cliche rhyme schemes and descriptions, there are ways to make that resonate with a listener anyway.

What I do not excuse are just poor cash-in, vague lyrics for angry teenagers, i.e. Killswitch Engage, Megadeth, Firewind...that sort of crap.
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Dux_Saxoniae
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:15 pm 
 

Desperta_Ferro wrote:
just for the record, what do you guys consider "misogyny"?

It may be a stupid question, but bear with me, because I don't consider, say, Fucked With a Knife to be misogynist... or if it is, not in a harmful way

When I wrote I hate misogynistic lyrics, the specific example I was thinking of was "Pleasure Slave" by Manowar, which glories in the subjection of women in the most offensive way possible. Misogyny is broader than that, of course, but "Pleasure Slave" is pretty much the dregs of metal lyrically.

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Ill-Starred Son
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:28 pm 
 

I think practically any subject matter can be good for a song if it's written well and PROPERLY, but I don't like racist lyrics.

One of my big pet peaves with metal, which is almost exclusively with foreign bands, and most of the time Scandinavian ones I think these days, is that SO many bands clearly don't even TRY to write grammatically correct lyrics or have ANYONE look them over and edit them!!!

I mean, you'll have bands who have a quality song in other ways, but the lyrics won't make any fucking sense, there will be words used that do not even exist in the english language, or words that are english but just mixed around in such a way that they completely do not make sense.

As someone who was an english major in grad school and who had thought about being an editor for a while it makes NO sense to me whatsoever that these bands do not take the time to simply ask someone who speaks proper english to go over their lyrics and make sure that they are grammatically correct.

Why don't bands care??

Why don't they hire editors to look over their lyrics?

I mean, hell, they don't even have to hire an editor they could just ask a friend who speaks better english than them to look them over.

I mean these bands spend months, sometimes years writing an album. They spend SO Much time making sure the guitars, drums, bass, vocals and any other instruments are PERFECT....and then they'll throw nonsensical lyrics in there that make no sense in english. Then they'll even put their grammatically incorrect lyrics IN THE LYRIC BOOK itself so you can see exactly how nonsensical the lyrics are if perhaps you weren't able to make them out if the vocals were indecipherable.

Anyone have any guess as to why so many foreign metal bands don't take the time to properly edit their lyrics???

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:36 pm 
 

Cthulhu_Fhtagn wrote:
Like: fantasy, warfare, world war I/II, aliens, conspiracies, history, social issues/politics, nuclear war, personal issues, Lord of the Rings, Lovecraft, Warhammer 40k

Dislike: gore, satanism, paganism, racism/NS, mysogony, anti-religion

This, but throw in sci-fi, sometimes humor, Robert E. Howard, and love.

I'm a romantic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:41 pm 
 

I wish I could contribute more, but honestly, I very seldom pay attention to the lyrics. I dislike racist, pretentious, seriously satanic, and whiny-metalcore lyrics. Note that I didn't say relationships or inner struggles instead of whiny-metalcore lyrics because, when done correctly, they're just fine. I like lyrics where I can tell a lot of though has been put into them. Even if it's just empty poetry, that's still leagues better than "SATAN!", "You fools just don't understand", or "omg why won't she love me?"
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:42 pm 
 

And then on an entirely different but lyric related topic, with all of the anti-christian lyrics in metal I have always been surprised that there aren't, and thought there should be, bands who write lyrics which are attacking SPECIFIC DENOMINATIONS of christianity.

The idea came to me a while ago when I was thinking about how boring Deicide's lyrics have always been. Not that they are the only anti-christian band as they are one of like hundreds of thousands possibly, but they just say the same shit over and over and over again about bashing christians and satan yada yada.

So I was thinking, "man, why don't they AT LEAST try to make it more interesting by bashing different denominations?"

Like I don't know a lot about the different denominations or what makes them all different, but they could have one track which is anti lutheran and bashing Martin Luther with lyrics specifically referencing things he said and how and why they are bulllshit.

They could have other tracks specifically attacking the specific points that are unique to the other denominations like Protestantism, Catholicism, Southern Baptism, the Amish, the Quakers, The Mormons, The Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saint's Church, the Jehovas Witnesses' and all of the others.

Frankly, I think a WELL THOUGHT OUT album discussing the specific differences between these denominations and systematically picking apart the flaws in each would be really cool.

Has ANY metal band EVER done this??

If not, it's an idea that should be used in the future...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:44 pm 
 

I couldn't care less about the lyrics. English is not my native language, and while I understand 99% of what's said in movies, conversations, real-life talks, etc. when it comes to music, I barely understand like a 85% (clean vocals). Now, the problem is, if I read the lyrics, I don't understand them either (some), so for example:

Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don’t need a reason
The Golden Goose is on the loose
And never out of season.
Blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Here’s my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death


What on earth did that mean?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:49 pm 
 

Thexhumed wrote:
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we don’t need a reason
The Golden Goose is on the loose
And never out of season.
Blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Here’s my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death


What on earth did that mean?


The war/mercenary metaphor is really obvious here
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:01 pm 
 

Ill-Starred Son wrote:
And then on an entirely different but lyric related topic, with all of the anti-christian lyrics in metal I have always been surprised that there aren't, and thought there should be, bands who write lyrics which are attacking SPECIFIC DENOMINATIONS of christianity.

This idea is freaking AMAZING. I'm going to write badass metal lyrics attacking transubstantiation/premillennialism/Arminian soteriology right now!

But yeah, I agree. A lot of the 'anti-Christian' lyricists seem to be unaware that there even are different denominations, or that a lot of Christians are not offended by the Satan brigade because they don't believe in Satan as a literal being, etc. A prime example is Slayer's "Jesus Saves", which seems to throw together fundamentalist Protestant millennarianism and Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox worship practices.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:07 pm 
 

Dux_Saxoniae wrote:
Ill-Starred Son wrote:
And then on an entirely different but lyric related topic, with all of the anti-christian lyrics in metal I have always been surprised that there aren't, and thought there should be, bands who write lyrics which are attacking SPECIFIC DENOMINATIONS of christianity.

This idea is freaking AMAZING. I'm going to write badass metal lyrics attacking transubstantiation/premillennialism/Arminian soteriology right now!

But yeah, I agree. A lot of the 'anti-Christian' lyricists seem to be unaware that there even are different denominations, or that a lot of Christians are not offended by the Satan brigade because they don't believe in Satan as a literal being, etc. A prime example is Slayer's "Jesus Saves", which seems to throw together fundamentalist Protestant millennarianism and Roman Catholic/Eastern Orthodox worship practices.


Thanks man.

I always have liked the idea and it seems like a great one to me.

I mean a lot of metal lyrics tend to be well thought out (a lot aren't also) and an intelligent band could really make a very interesting concept album attacking all the denominations and the different theological leaders who started them etc.

There's also a lot of different biblical characters that could be attacked, or important figures in the history of christianity like John the Baptist and a million others I can't think of, different Popes for that matter, etc.

I mean, with how popular it is for so many death and black metal bands to bash Christianity the LEAST they could do is make it a bit more interesting and varied.

I hope my idea does actually influence someone to go out and write lyrics like this, and I even suggested in the anti-islam thread that there could be lyrics attacking other religions as well such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Confucism, Shitoism, etc, or even lyrics that are PRO these religions, and the same could be done with all sorts of different philosophies like Existentialism, Determinism, etc and different political ideologies.

I've got to think that SOMEONE has written about some of these things before, but no one well known that I have heard of.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:20 pm 
 

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Like: fantasy, warfare, world war I/II, aliens, conspiracies, history, social issues/politics, nuclear war, personal issues, Lord of the Rings, Lovecraft, Warhammer 40k

Dislike: gore, satanism, paganism, racism/NS, mysogony, anti-religion

This, but throw in sci-fi, sometimes humor, Robert E. Howard, and love.

I'm a romantic.

I can't believe I forgot sci-fi! On the note of gory lyrics, I am fine with horror movies and gory games, but I just find the whole "ripping out entrails with a chainsaw" lyrical thing rather silly and cliche. It's pretty much a cop out for not writing good, or even semi-good lyrics.
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which is anti lutheran and bashing Martin Luther with lyrics specifically referencing things he said and how and why they are bulllshit.

Secretly Catholic... :nods:
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