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necrofuck12
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:42 pm 
 

Immortal just reformed without abbath.


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Folkemon_
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:03 pm 
 

Immortal without Abbath just won't feel right, but maybe they can go back to playing less heavy/thrash influenced black metal like their first 3 albums.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:16 pm 
 

Part of me thinks the legal issues will come right back and muck it all up again

Or maybe they'll somehow actually settle it....maybe

BTW OP it's a good idea to have a source handy.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:15 pm 
 

Here is the news

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/abbath ... elieve-in/

If this is true, Abbath lost the battle, thus having no option than changing the name of his band. Demonaz I guess is able of at least composing Immortal like material.
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Blood_Red87
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:39 pm 
 

I thought Demonaz and Horgh wanted more time off from music and all of a sudden they're working on new material?!

Whatever, I'm siding with Abbath on this. Immortal won't be the same without him.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:06 am 
 

I'm happy either way ... This is pretty much two immortal albums coming out at relatively the same time, stoked :P

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:28 am 
 

Damn. While I mean, they totally can do this, Immortal without Abbath just doesn't seem to make sense. It's like if Roger Beaujard kicked out Will Rahmer, or if Nocturno Culto told Fenriz to fuck off.
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Natskygge
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:25 am 
 

Blood_Red87 wrote:
I thought Demonaz and Horgh wanted more time off from music and all of a sudden they're working on new material?!

The only source on that was Abbath, mind you. Up until now they haven't actually said anything about the case.

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Necroticism174
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:05 am 
 

So this band is done releasing anything good then.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:25 am 
 

"Abbath-less Immortal"...isn't that an oxymoron? "Bread-free sandwich." "Fast drone." "Bad blowjob." Some of the things coming to mind when I hear the phrase "Abbath-less Immortal."

Silly Blabbermouth, once again displaying their failure as a credible metal news site. They think "Abbath-less Immortal" is a thing. Posers!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:43 am 
 

Necroticism174 wrote:
So this band is done releasing anything good then.


I thought All Shall Fall proved that?

I dunno, I'd be interested if Demonaz can play guitar like his old Immortal stuff. If you had an album full of 1990s Immortal riffs, then I'd be interested. But I think that's probably just physically impossible for him... whatever they'll do will probably just end up as dull Wacken black metal.
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dantes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:25 am 
 

In the band page here on MA it says that Demonaz started to play guitars again.

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A Backwards 6
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:56 am 
 

Demonaz and Horgh have new material all of a sudden?? So it's about artistic differences the entire time and Immortal probably goes back to stuff like Pure Holocaust? They could have sorted this out way sooner. Six years kind of lost.
Pfft, i hope they don't use the word "brother" ever again. It'd be bullshit.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:17 am 
 

I get why Demonaz and Horgh would want to use the Immortal name from a business standpoint, but from an artistic standpoint it makes little sense. The guy who played on every album (sometimes playing most of the instruments), sang everything, and wrote most of the music is removed and the band is going to continue with the lyricist who can no longer play guitar (at least for this style of music) and the drummer who joined after the band had already recorded 3 albums? And, so far as being a possible touring band, it would just be Horgh and a bunch of hired hands? Is anyone interested in that version of Immortal?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:31 am 
 

I thought it was established that Demonaz could still play guitar, too.
That said I doubt this will at all be a return to anything like the Pure HOlocaust sound. Demonaz wanted to take the band in a more heavy metal sort of direction, too. He's just a more inventive guitarist than Abbath. At the Heart of Winter grew on me after a while but I'd be perfectly happy if that had been the final Immortal album.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:37 am 
 

Abominatrix wrote:
At the Heart of Winter grew on me after a while but I'd be perfectly happy if that had been the final Immortal album.


Was it not? :-P
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:15 am 
 

TadGhostal wrote:
I get why Demonaz and Horgh would want to use the Immortal name from a business standpoint, but from an artistic standpoint it makes little sense. The guy who played on every album (sometimes playing most of the instruments), sang everything, and wrote most of the music is removed and the band is going to continue with the lyricist who can no longer play guitar (at least for this style of music) and the drummer who joined after the band had already recorded 3 albums? And, so far as being a possible touring band, it would just be Horgh and a bunch of hired hands? Is anyone interested in that version of Immortal?


Demonaz can and possibly will be the vocalist. He already proved it with his Demonaz project. Also, Demonaz (while still in Immortal with Abbath as member) stated in plenty that he never stopped to contribute to songwriting and he still plays guitar, it's just he can't play it for too long... he could even be able to record an album in several sessions if his condition has improved over time, we don't know.

Did really Abbath write most of the music? My bet is that Demonaz wrote most of the stuff when he was active as guitarist and he was probably the one who came up with the 'icy' trademark riffing in the first place. The sound shift is really obvious when he stopped playing and Abbath took over guitar duties in ATHOW.

As I see it, there is hope for a good Immortal album without Abbath, if Demonaz still has it. He might write all the music with Horgh; for live shows he can sing and complete the line-up with session members (1-2 guitars + 1 bassist).

Lastly, Demonaz and Horgh remained silent the whole time and haven't badmouthing Abbath at all, which is a positive in my eyes. Abbath talked a lot of shit but he lost the legal battle, so if he really 'was' Immortal he should have won. My bet is Abbath was full of shit and probably wanted to take full control of the band which the rest of the guys weren't up to.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:23 am 
 

I'd be perfectly fine with this new Immortal developing the sound from Demonaz's solo album even further, as that album was quite great. I don't anticipate they'll go back to sounding like Pure Holocaust or Battles in the North, and really I don't want them to.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:04 am 
 

Interesting, two Immortal's...but with how old the band is and how far they've split, I'd be surprised if we get anything that remotely captures the best elements of what Immortal brought to the table. What I'm expecting is cheese galore. Even if there was no split, I don't really have much confidence or high expectations for anyone involved at this point. But I love to be surprised.

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conquer__all
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:45 am 
 

For either one of these bands to call it immortal is just foolish! Immortal is done! We got all shall fall and it blew hard!!! The I project was great so hopefully Abbath will go in that direction and demonaz in the direction of his solo album. Each band however will play immortal shit live, but it's just not the real immortal without the two of them together.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:07 pm 
 

Demonaz and Horgh are starting to seem like total dicks... Don't let Abbath take over the band name, more or less force him out and then continue without him, well played.

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Oddeye
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:35 pm 
 

I really liked Demonaz solo album (as well as Abbaths I-project) but this is gonna be really weird.

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Ancient_Mariner
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:41 pm 
 

I'm not a big BM fan so I liked them better on the AtHoW -> SoND era so this is doing nothing for me. Immortal and Abbath are synonymous to me. Horgh is a fine drummer but him and a few hired hands live is not Immortal.

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droneriot
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:10 pm 
 

Okay band when Demonaz was the guitarist, once Abbath took over, it's been shit album after shit album. Party black metal, basically.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:25 pm 
 

Acrobat wrote:
Necroticism174 wrote:
So this band is done releasing anything good then.


I thought All Shall Fall proved that?

The only correct response to this whole debacle. Immortal died in 2003 as far as their studio albums are concerned.
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Razakel
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:38 pm 
 

Why is this even necessary? If Demonaz is going to write the music, lyrics, and do vocals then why the hell doesn't he just continue with his solo band? Seriously, is this whole debacle just so he can cash in on Immortal's name? Fuck that.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:53 pm 
 

They should get together with Geoff Tate and call themselves "creative bankruptcy"

also just a sidenote: All Shall Fall was pretty bad. Immotal without blastbeats is all filler no killer

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:57 pm 
 

Bah, the debut has maybe one blastbeat on the entire record and it's nearly all killer! :D
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God damn right. Just some young punks who wanted to sound like Bathory. The debut rules.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:22 pm 
 

Acrobat wrote:
whatever they'll do will probably just end up as dull Wacken black metal.
A Backwards 6 wrote:
It'd be bullshit.
Oddeye wrote:
I really liked Demonaz solo album (as well as Abbaths I-project) but this is gonna be really weird.

C'mon, guys... Give'em a chance...
Kveldulfr wrote:
Demonaz can and possibly will be the vocalist. He already proved it with his Demonaz project. Also, Demonaz (while still in Immortal with Abbath as member) stated in plenty that he never stopped to contribute to songwriting and he still plays guitar, it's just he can't play it for too long... he could even be able to record an album in several sessions if his condition has improved over time, we don't know.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:23 pm 
 

https://www.facebook.com/immortaloffici ... =1&theater

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IMMORTAL - NEW SONGS IN PROGRESS

Norway’s unstoppable black metal force Immortal has been busy working on the band's new material. The band's members Demonaz and Horgh have also gone through a legal process the last year, having to protect their band’s name and logo from their previous singer.

In October 2014, ex-IMMORTAL singer/guitarist Abbath (Olve Eikemo) filed an trademark application for registration of the brand IMMORTAL to Patentstyret (Norwegian Industrial Property Office) without informing the other band members. The band's core members Horgh and Demonaz were forced to seek legal help to counter this. The trademark application from Eikemo was not approved and was denied registered on July 21th, 2015. Eikemo has left IMMORTAL to start his new band.

"IMMORTAL never stopped, we just had to go through a long legal process before we could go out in the media with the news. IMMORTAL is much more than just a band, and much more then just a form of music. The departure of one member cannot change that, no matter. We will continue what we believe in, and the power of ”Blashyrkh” shall live on."

Demonaz, the band’s founding member, has created material based on his visions of Blashyrkh for nearly 25 years. Some new songs, which are set to be included on the next album, are 'Northern Chaos Gods', 'Called To Ice', and 'Blacker Of Worlds'.

More information about the new music and line-up will be presented later this year.


Their previous singer. Eeesh.

edit: that's the same statement as linked in the blabbermouth piece. "Immortal" just now posted it to their FB page, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:45 pm 
 

He was just their previous singer, not like he ever did anything important in the band like play guitar, drums or bass. I mean maybe if he had been their only singer for like 25 years. Most people won't even notice he's gone.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:58 pm 
 

After all the years they now look like: "We are busy, i'm injured, we have no time. Oh, look he's finally gone, let's start making music again."
Snakes. Guess, i'll "boycott" 'em.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:11 pm 
 

By the way, Abbath has always been Immortal's principal song arranger. Demonaz came up with riffs, but Abbath decided where they should go, as well as adding his own stuff. Abbath also wrote everything from At the Heart of Winter onwards.

This is just really disappointing to see. When I was first getting into black metal as a (comparatively) little kid, Abbath and Horgh were like a superhero team, and Demonaz was kind of like their adviser back at the base.
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Had this sort of thing happened ten years ago, I would have been pretty shook up (then again, Immortal were officially nonexistent ten years ago, but still...), but nowadays, I just kind of shake my head at things like this that I have no control over. I'd be a little bit more torn up about something like this if it happened to a band that was still good (i.e. Silenius and Protector getting into a fight or Ross Dolan and Bob Vigna having a falling out).
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I don't anticipate they'll go back to sounding like Pure Holocaust or Battles in the North, and really I don't want them to.

This will never, ever happen. Those first four Immortal albums are my personal favorites, and they're probably the most historically important things the band released, but any audience interested in [insert new Immortal album title here] is undoubtedly looking for Sons of Northern Darkness II: The Quickening. I'm not even sure if it's possible to record something like Battles in the North nowadays. Black metal just doesn't get that intense anymore without being "war metal." The genre is too split up into different niche sounds for something resembling Pure Holocaust to come out of the blue. I would love to be proven wrong on that point, of course.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:42 pm 
 

TheTrueSeker wrote:
Those first four Immortal albums are my personal favorites, and they're probably the most historically important things the band released...


Ok, it's one thing to point out your favourite albums, and that's fine, there are some classic tracks on their first four... but to suggest At the Heart of Winter isn't clearly by a veeerrry large margin their most influential, pivotal, sound-pioneering, etc etc album? That's just rewriting history to suit your own purposes. The band (at this exact point) went from playing decent-but-unremarkable bm (silly poses aside) to an incredible mix of bm and thrash/trad metal that they'll be remembered for for pretty much ever.

OT: I dunno, don't really care. I doubt they have any more classics left in them on either side of this little rift, so... scheißegal?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:51 pm 
 

Immortal was already legendary when Blizzard was out. The Abbath lead albums were more accessible and helped to get a wider audience but Immortal got a name in metal for those first 4 albums. There's no need of revisionism.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:53 pm 
 

No fucks given here. There hasnt been a good Immortal album since ATHOW and the last one was boring as hell. No need to follow all this drama.

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Turner wrote:
TheTrueSeker wrote:
Those first four Immortal albums are my personal favorites, and they're probably the most historically important things the band released...


Ok, it's one thing to point out your favourite albums, and that's fine, there are some classic tracks on their first four... but to suggest At the Heart of Winter isn't clearly by a veeerrry large margin their most influential, pivotal, sound-pioneering, etc etc album? That's just rewriting history to suit your own purposes. The band (at this exact point) went from playing decent-but-unremarkable bm (silly poses aside) to an incredible mix of bm and thrash/trad metal that they'll be remembered for for pretty much ever.

OT: I dunno, don't really care. I doubt they have any more classics left in them on either side of this little rift, so... scheißegal?


In this case, I think you're guilty of doing exactly what you'r accusing him of doing. You might remember them for At The Heart of Winter, but gauging from the Immortal fans I've met, that's not necessarily the popular choice among long-time fans of the band. I've always heard Pure Holocaust to be considered the cream of the Immortal crop. Preferring early Immortal or later Immortal is more of a statement of taste, but to say that Immortal didn't release anything incredible until AtHoW is completely retarded.

The majority of their influence and importance was centered around their earlier works. I'm not sure how you or anyone else can confuse this. AtHoW was a really solid album, but their importance was established before that album released, and that album definitely was never considered most important or blatant best by any stretch of the imagination. Immortal could've disbanded before releasing AtHoW and they'd still be considered to have been a major player in black metal for their contributions. If anything, AtHoW simply marked a new era for the band, where they'd begin to release a more accessible version of their sound that has little relevance to what they were creating previously. Undoubtedly, it's latter-day Immortal, and latter-day Immortal is aiming at a completely different target audience than the first four.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:14 pm 
 

TheTrueSeker, that was a beautiful post and I agree with everything in it.

@Turner: I don't think it's a consensus that At the Heart of Winter is their most influential album, is it? It's one of their biggest, most popular albums, but I'd probably say Pure Holocaust is their most influential.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:27 am 
 

t1337Dude wrote:

In this case, I think you're guilty of doing exactly what you'r accusing him of doing. You might remember them for At The Heart of Winter, but gauging from the Immortal fans I've met, that's not necessarily the popular choice among long-time fans of the band. I've always heard Pure Holocaust to be considered the cream of the Immortal crop. Preferring early Immortal or later Immortal is more of a statement of taste, but to say that Immortal didn't release anything incredible until AtHoW is completely retarded.

The majority of their influence and importance was centered around their earlier works. I'm not sure how you or anyone else can confuse this. AtHoW was a really solid album, but their importance was established before that album released, and that album definitely was never considered most important or blatant best by any stretch of the imagination. Immortal could've disbanded before releasing AtHoW and they'd still be considered to have been a major player in black metal for their contributions. If anything, AtHoW simply marked a new era for the band, where they'd begin to release a more accessible version of their sound that has little relevance to what they were creating previously. Undoubtedly, it's latter-day Immortal, and latter-day Immortal is aiming at a completely different target audience than the first four.


This this this. 17 Y/O me was well aware of Immortal prior to the release of ATHOW, and that's from the opposite end of the globe, pre-internet days. First album I heard of them was Battles (first BM album I ever heard actually) and I remember being blown away by how raw and chaotic it sounded.
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