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japc
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:48 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Dreadmeat,
Your To Mega Therion CD is a recent re-press from around 2008-2009. I interpolated this DIDX-233731 between some in my collection

I'm almost sure that I have my copy for longer than that, but maybe I'm wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:43 pm 
 

Japc,

Can you confirm the matrix number on your copy?



japc wrote:
carnival_corpse wrote:
Dreadmeat,
Your To Mega Therion CD is a recent re-press from around 2008-2009. I interpolated this DIDX-233731 between some in my collection

I'm almost sure that I have my copy for longer than that, but maybe I'm wrong.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:02 pm 
 

Anyone know which version of the 1999 repress of "Left Hand Path" has the matrix code "EAR MOSH021CDL"?
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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:35 pm 
 

A quick Google search returned these two results:

http://www.discogs.com/Entombed-Left-Ha ... se/1091036
http://www.discogs.com/Entombed-Left-Ha ... se/3335663

Although I'm not quite following on what is it you're asking. ;)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:44 pm 
 

Just wondering if it is a 2008 repress or 1999 original, since no entry in discogs matches my matrix info. I promise I'm not just shitty at googling :-D
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 7:53 pm 
 

Oh, I know what you mean. :D But the 2008 reissues are just represses of the 1999 reissues, so no biggie there. For instance, mine came in a 4CD box with Altars Of Madness/Feto/Stench Of Redemption, and is the 2008 with a "MOSH021CDL 01" matrix. What I mean is that I don't think there's any difference in the sound between the 1999 and 2008 reissues.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 8:18 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Japc,

Can you confirm the matrix number on your copy?

It's the same as dreadmeat's.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 9:51 pm 
 

yeeeeeeap, we're all over this, nice work :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:39 am 
 

Right, on another forum someone have questioned the originality of:

Demigod "Slumber of sullen eyes" cd

came with a different matrix code

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 02

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 01

Discogs report that one with cd 02 is a bootleg:

http://www.discogs.com/Demigod-Slumber- ... se/5155300

I have the 02 "edition" purchasing it back in the day 1992 when it came out and I don't believe it is a bootleg.

What do you think?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:46 am 
 

The best way to determine that is to compare the matrix fonts between both versions. Can you post pictures of your version, may be we can compare it with a known original. There is a bootleg version of this CD, but maybe is based on the 02 version.



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Right, on another forum someone have questioned the originality of:

Demigod "Slumber of sullen eyes" cd

came with a different matrix code

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 02

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 01

Discogs report that one with cd 02 is a bootleg:

http://www.discogs.com/Demigod-Slumber- ... se/5155300

I have the 02 "edition" purchasing it back in the day 1992 when it came out and I don't believe it is a bootleg.

What do you think?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:58 pm 
 

Kind of a dumb question here, but did Hydra Head Records usually repress stuff in their catalogue? Just found the same Pelican album (their second) in two slightly different pressings and with different matrices. The layouts are virtually identic minus a few differences in colour.

Normal thing or awkward thing?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:51 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
The best way to determine that is to compare the matrix fonts between both versions. Can you post pictures of your version, may be we can compare it with a known original. There is a bootleg version of this CD, but maybe is based on the 02 version.



The Lions Den wrote:
Right, on another forum someone have questioned the originality of:

Demigod "Slumber of sullen eyes" cd

came with a different matrix code

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 02

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 01

Discogs report that one with cd 02 is a bootleg:

http://www.discogs.com/Demigod-Slumber- ... se/5155300

I have the 02 "edition" purchasing it back in the day 1992 when it came out and I don't believe it is a bootleg.

What do you think?


This has been discussed and examined before here on MA. With pictures. Don't remember which thread though. I believe the best answer was, that the 01 and 02 are both legit, but there was a bootleg made of the 02 pressing. The way to tell the difference is not the matrix, but based on the looks of the labelside print of the cd. You'll need a confirmed original release to be sure when comparing.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:19 pm 
 

Most of the time bootlegs with the same matrix number as the original can be identified by differences in font size and type.







The Lions Den wrote:
Right, on another forum someone have questioned the originality of:

Demigod "Slumber of sullen eyes" cd

came with a different matrix code

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 02

cd-008 drawned tecno cd 01

Discogs report that one with cd 02 is a bootleg:

http://www.discogs.com/Demigod-Slumber- ... se/5155300

I have the 02 "edition" purchasing it back in the day 1992 when it came out and I don't believe it is a bootleg.

What do you think?
[/quote]

This has been discussed and examined before here on MA. With pictures. Don't remember which thread though. I believe the best answer was, that the 01 and 02 are both legit, but there was a bootleg made of the 02 pressing. The way to tell the difference is not the matrix, but based on the looks of the labelside print of the cd. You'll need a confirmed original release to be sure when comparing.[/quote]

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:58 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Kind of a dumb question here, but did Hydra Head Records usually repress stuff in their catalogue? Just found the same Pelican album (their second) in two slightly different pressings and with different matrices. The layouts are virtually identical minus a few differences in colour.

Normal thing or awkward thing?
According to the page below it's been repressed on vinyl so it's not unlikely to be repressed on CD too
http://hydrahead.merchtable.com/music-vinyl/pelican-the-fire-in-our-throats-will-beckon-the-thaw-vinyl-2xlp-repress;2452
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:44 pm 
 

Could someone please enlighten me on what the A1 on a matrix means? Simple as that. :)

Can two copies of the same CD have the same matrix, except one has A1 and the other doesn't?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 10:13 pm 
 

It's not really part of the matrix, it's the "mother stamper" [or father stamper], A0 A1 and A2 are common
We just include it in the matrix field because it's easier and it appears in the same place but it looks etched and different.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:51 pm 
 

"It's a mother stamper"?! :lol:

Boy, you cracked me up with that one. It's like what, a code that has to do with the number of presses/masters? Something like that? And yeah, it's etched as opposed to printed like the matrix is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:54 pm 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:
I'm listening to PFD now and it doesn't sound remastered in the slightest, very low volume, which is sort of nice, to be honest. Anyway I'm just curious if anyone ever figured out the origin and legitimacy of these Noise reissues.

Uh .... as I'm typing this, at 4:30 in "Skeleton on Your Shoulder," the volume just went down noticeably. Did that happen on the original press? The next track sounds back to normal. Weird.

Got this one: http://www.discogs.com/Coroner-Punishme ... se/5206044

and there's not volume change on 05-4:30.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:23 am 
 

I simply need a disc identified that was given to me by a friend with no cover or tray card. I dont have the time to go through every post in this thread so if this has been posted before please understand.

Its a black cd, with no title, picture or anything except the following words:
N.C. 027
STEMRA
ALL RIGHTS
RESERVED

The matrix code says:
IFPI LA11
And below that
81207 * NC 027 (P) *1

Much thanks if anyone can identify this cd for me or if its just a boot or burned blank disc....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:29 am 
 

LuoaR wrote:
I simply need a disc identified that was given to me by a friend with no cover or tray card. I dont have the time to go through every post in this thread so if this has been posted before please understand.

Its a black cd, with no title, picture or anything except the following words:
N.C. 027
STEMRA
ALL RIGHTS
RESERVED

The matrix code says:
IFPI LA11
And below that
81207 * NC 027 (P) *1

Much thanks if anyone can identify this cd for me or if its just a boot or burned blank disc....


You know, listening to the disc could help narrow down the search.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:49 am 
 

Its about 25 minutes in length, with 7 songs. Reminescent of bathory or hellhammer/celtic frost black metal with really raw production.

Here are the song lengths approx.

2:45
2:50
3:51
4:55
2:41
3:44
Last one about 5 min less a few sec

My player doesnt have a lcd with track and total time so i cant tel u how long the total is but judging by what i have said it is about 25 minutes....

And the opening line is something like "this is Satan! (Something) hell fire!"

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:34 am 
 

LuoaR wrote:
The matrix code says:
IFPI LA11
And below that
81207 * NC 027 (P) *1

Much thanks if anyone can identify this cd for me or if its just a boot or burned blank disc....

NC 027 should be this one:

http://www.discogs.com/Hellfire-Into-Fire/master/254064
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Much thanks amigo.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:15 pm 
 

as suggested by another user elsewhere, this is a copy-paste of my question, I'm needin' informations about this :

I'm having a contact with a very friendly guy to buy from him a GOLDEN EDITION of this Rigor Mortis "Vs. the earth" cd, out in 1991 on triple x records, (which is the original label...) but can't find any information about this thing that I didn't even know to be existing. Can someone out there help with further information? Are there any differences with the "normal" edition, if it truly exists? Tnx
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:06 pm 
 

With most probability he is referring to the Metal Mind digipak reissue from 2008. Like many other reissues by Metal Mind in this special limited edition series, the disc is golden.


I_Crash_and_Burn wrote:
as suggested by another user elsewhere, this is a copy-paste of my question, I'm needin' informations about this :

I'm having a contact with a very friendly guy to buy from him a GOLDEN EDITION of this Rigor Mortis "Vs. the earth" cd, out in 1991 on triple x records, (which is the original label...) but can't find any information about this thing that I didn't even know to be existing. Can someone out there help with further information? Are there any differences with the "normal" edition, if it truly exists? Tnx
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:34 am 
 

japc wrote:
LuoaR wrote:
The matrix code says:
IFPI LA11
And below that
81207 * NC 027 (P) *1

Much thanks if anyone can identify this cd for me or if its just a boot or burned blank disc....

NC 027 should be this one:

http://www.discogs.com/Hellfire-Into-Fire/master/254064

LuoaR wrote:
Much thanks amigo.
I have asked for some more info on this release and it seems we have some web subbing to deal with too
Either the original or the reissue is missing from Discogs and needs adding, updating and all info needs confirming
Damn web subbers!
http://www.discogs.com/release/367506
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Tried to search for answers but didn't find any... So...

I recently bought Pestilence "Consuming Impulse" original CD on Roadracer through discogs. However the matrix made me suspicious, I'm not much of a expert what comes to this. So anyone can tell if this is the real deal or pure crap? In that case I will have a chat with the seller. More pictures provided tomorrow if needed but here is a scan of the matrix.

Covers look good and I couldn't see anything that I could be wrong.


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ancientorder wrote:
Tried to search for answers but didn't find any... So...

I recently bought Pestilence "Consuming Impulse" original CD on Roadracer through discogs. However the matrix made me suspicious, I'm not much of a expert what comes to this. So anyone can tell if this is the real deal or pure crap? In that case I will have a chat with the seller. More pictures provided tomorrow if needed but here is a scan of the matrix.

Covers look good and I couldn't see anything that I could be wrong.


Code:
[img]https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/pestilence.jpg?_subject_uid=210916975&w=AABhgpCShS8RqNjZ9A5vQQ7OiOTdFEJcULOMthUTRMVSnQ[/img]
Dropbox link?
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8oqora973lfs ... ilence.jpg

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:38 pm 
 

That's better, but what do you think is wrong with it?
You'll often have a European and US version of stuff on Roadrunner etc
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:47 pm 
 

I know it is the Euro version I bought. That's not the issue. I wanted to know is this legit or not, at least the information on discogs made me confused since the scan there has the Sonopress logotype on it. This one doesn't. Later re-press perhaps, but couldn't determine that either.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:52 pm 
 

Yours is older than one with the Sonopress logo, the text version is older.
http://www.discogs.com/label/95728-Sonopress
Also yours has no ifpi sid codes and Sonopress usually have them [after 1994]

http://www.discogs.com/help/database/submission-guidelines-release-format#CD_Matrix
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I think you have been sold something that is different to the Discogs release page, often sellers don't look at the specifics like matrix info and pressing plants etc and will just put a note saying "original" or "promo"
This irritates me no end, I'd quiz the seller on this.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:20 am 
 

Ahh, thanks! That clears a lot. But at least it's not a bootleg/fake which is the most important now.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:29 am 
 

ancientorder, I confirm it is original. I have compared it with my copy (bought more than 20 years ago) and it looks totally identical.

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Thanks! :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:39 pm 
 

My original copy has a Disctronics matrix, but I checked other CD's in my collection and found my Phlegethon Fresco Lungs CD from 1991 has matrix:
SONOPRESS G-5126 / 9208 A 2. The font on this matrix matches exactly yours, so this is further confirmation its an original.

Im curious...how much you paid for it?



ancientorder wrote:
Tried to search for answers but didn't find any... So...

I recently bought Pestilence "Consuming Impulse" original CD on Roadracer through discogs. However the matrix made me suspicious, I'm not much of a expert what comes to this. So anyone can tell if this is the real deal or pure crap? In that case I will have a chat with the seller. More pictures provided tomorrow if needed but here is a scan of the matrix.

Covers look good and I couldn't see anything that I could be wrong.


Image

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:22 pm 
 

If it's not in the database at Discogs please do add it :thumbsup:
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carnival_corpse wrote:
Im curious...how much you paid for it?

It was 18 Euros, so pretty fine price in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:41 am 
 

This is around $25, which is in the low range of what is selling for in Ebay. I found 10 that have been sold at Ebay ranging from $24.99 to $34.99, with one outlier sold at $17.60. So you did fine. These are some examples from Ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pestilence-Cons ... 58ab393b20

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CD-Pestilence-C ... 19e7eb7737

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PESTILENCE-Cons ... 20de72ffda

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pestilence-Cons ... 485f78aa8f

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PESTILENCE-Cons ... 3f2ec55e5a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CD-Pestilence-C ... 2a35ed3c9b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PESTILENCE-CONS ... 19e618f997

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PESTILENCE-cons ... 7675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pestilence-Cons ... 461633ea7a

ancientorder wrote:
carnival_corpse wrote:
Im curious...how much you paid for it?

It was 18 Euros, so pretty fine price in my opinion.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/PESTILENCE-CONS ... 2ecb9b22d3

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