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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:00 am 
 

Does anyone here have the 2006 digipak reissue of Merciless' Unbound? Can someone please confirm to me if the disc is a pro-printed CD-R or not? I just opened a sealed copy and I'm pretty much baffled at this reissue being a CD-R... I mean what the fuck???
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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:15 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Does anyone here have the 2006 digipak reissue of Merciless' Unbound? Can someone please confirm to me if the disc is a pro-printed CD-R or not? I just opened a sealed copy and I'm pretty much baffled at this reissue being a CD-R... I mean what the fuck???

Well, after a couple of PM/emails I've come to the conclusion that someone gave me the old switcheroo on this one. What's pretty baffling is that everything is exactly as it should be (digipak with embossed lettering, full booklet) except for the CD being a duplicated CD-R.

I've already contacted the seller and will update this for others that may run into the same situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:40 pm 
 

Hey people, as you may all know, there is a band called Burzum that plays black metal. There is an album called Filosofem that was first issued in 1996. But there are 2 versions of it: A5 digipak and A5 digibook.
Which of them is the first press? Or were they released at the same time?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:21 pm 
 

Compare the two matrices, they have the same disc, or at least the same matrix.
It's likely they were release at the same time

The user there wrongdoze claims to have both versions
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:03 am 
 

Of The Fallen - Of The Fallen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-O ... 27d2ae5247

I need some experts advice, does it look like legit or not?
Never had any Wild Rags editions in collection, so I'm confused.
I mean no Wild Rags logo, nor on backsleeve neither on CD, strange matrix code.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:11 am 
 

It's too cheap and those images are really crappy, try hitting up a seller on Discogs for some info
Wild Rags definitely have bootlegs 'available'
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:49 am 
 

Already did, but thanks for answer.

Understand, that price is too cheap, but even more expensive ones on ebay looks the same.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-S- ... 5aec341f95
http://www.ebay.de/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-VI ... 2a30b9f343

Even same seller sells it on discogs for 40usd, compared to 15 on ebay.
Investigation continues...

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:17 pm 
 

I can clearly see an ifpi mould SID code on this one
http://www.ebay.de/itm/390509895573
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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:50 pm 
 

I've updated the Discogs pages for the Merciless reissues, second and third albums, as to have relevant information regarding the (almost surely unofficial) CD-R press and the common identifiers. Haven't placed the ones for Unbound because I want to have a proper copy in front of my eyes when I do it. :p

@ dreadmeat - Also did a small update to the COK repress, as to best exhibit the SID nomenclature. ;)

PS: Damn, did Black Lodge fuck up the reissue of The Treasures Within... And thanks a lot to the people providing me the necessary info, you guys rock! ;)
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:28 pm 
 

Hi I bought a copy of Saint Vitus Born too late from a seller affiliated to Amazon
I don't know if my copy is original or not because i know there are many fake editions of Saint Vitus albums..
the copy in my possess has
BARCODE 018861-0082-2 6 this is on the back cover..bar code is in red color
LABEL SST
CD on the front SST CD 082
on the surface of the cd inner code SSTCD082RE 2G 01 IFPI L239

Is original or bootleg?and if is bootleg which is the inner code number that identify that original copy?
thanks for answer

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:02 pm 
 

Titenis, too much text, too few pictures.

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:30 pm 
 

sorry i'm not able to post pics..

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:16 am 
 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bi2mrwztja2w4h/20130928_135518.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nybez7h1fslprxl/20130928_135547.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw4ydbdr7h62af0/20130928_135334.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wn8rzlhvc5tp7gw/20130928_135612.jpg

Here some pics of my copy..i need a little help guys please

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:41 am 
 

I need some experts advice..thanks

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:20 am 
 

That's not an original [or as people call them a 'first press'] it has ifpi codes so was made after 1994, does it have a mould sid code too?
Is SST a legit label? it's possibly just a reissue or repress, take a look at Discogs, the one there looks like it needs some work and vital info is missing...
Those are some decent images, you just need someone to compare them to their own copy to see if the info [and fonts] match
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:31 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That's not an original [or as people call them a 'first press'] it has ifpi codes so was made after 1994, does it have a mould sid code too?
Is SST a legit label? it's possibly just a reissue or repress, take a look at Discogs, the one there looks like it needs some work and vital info is missing...
Those are some decent images, you just need someone to compare them to their own copy to see if the info [and fonts] match


thank you for your answer..What is mould sid code?I've looked ad discogs and info are not completed..
I think i need someone who has an original copy in order to compare..I don't know if is possible..

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:38 am 
 

Click for a bit more info, it's not an original [you saw my comment above]
I'll ask for someone to update the Discogs page
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:53 am 
 

@dreadmeat
I've understand

my copy has

MASTERING SID CODE IFPI L239
MOULD SID CODE IFPI 4161

What do you think?is a counterfeit copy?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:47 pm 
 

A curious question for the residents in this thread. :p

Is it unusual for a CD to miss one the SID codes? Like, having a mastering code but not a mould code, or the other way around? I seem to find a CD without one of them every once in a while, but why does that happen? Anyone knows?
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:22 pm 
 

come on guys i've posted pics of my copy..someone who has original copy that could answer to my request

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BlackHussar
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:56 pm 
 

Does Opeth's first press versions of "Morningrise" and "My Arms, Your Hearse" have mirrored matrix?
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:46 pm 
 

Titenis wrote:
come on guys i've posted pics of my copy..someone who has original copy that could answer to my request
I asked for some more info on the Discogs page http://www.discogs.com/history?release=618663#latest
You have to be patient or maybe contact everyone you can find who has a copy and ask them to check it.
You can't really expect to have a definitive answer in a couple of days mate, especially in here, not everyone who has one is looking through the Metal Archives forum and sees the "CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread" title then wades though 18 pages to see your question about a St Vitus CD

androdion wrote:
A curious question for the residents in this thread. :p

Is it unusual for a CD to miss one the SID codes? Like, having a mastering code but not a mould code, or the other way around? I seem to find a CD without one of them every once in a while, but why does that happen? Anyone knows?
Not at all unusual, it's surprising to see some of the bigger labels [like Relapse] often have no ifpi sid codes at all... :crash:
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:21 pm 
 

@dreadtmeat
i appreciate you asking for more info about my copy of the CD
when you will have definitive answer please post here in the thread
thank you guy

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slayerthe7
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:17 pm 
 

Pueden ayudarme a identificar una cancion?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:10 pm 
 

slayerthe7 wrote:
Pueden ayudarme a identificar una cancion?

No. Pero puedes preguntar aquí, y en Inglés.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:18 am 
 

BR? huehuehue ><.


Hey does anyone have Rotten Sound ‎– Under Pressure / Drain the double CD reissue?
http://www.discogs.com/release/4961817
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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:05 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
BR? huehuehue ><.

Wut?

dreadmeat wrote:
Hey does anyone have Rotten Sound ‎– Under Pressure / Drain the double CD reissue?
http://www.discogs.com/release/4961817

Alas, I have those two in their Repulse incarnations. It's admittedly weird if the first disc is only one track though.
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http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/135/593/brfw0.png
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/huahuehuahue

I added my Rotten Sound double CD to Discogs yesterday, if it's the same as the one that exists we can just merge them but yeah I took the time and made a good submission so hopefully my data is kept [including the scans]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:05 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:

Oh man, the things I learn from you! :lol:
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:23 pm 
 

BlackHussar wrote:
Does Opeth's first press versions of "Morningrise" and "My Arms, Your Hearse" have mirrored matrix?


My Arms is mirrored, but Morningrise don't.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:03 am 
 

drobowik wrote:
My Arms is mirrored, but Morningrise don't.


Can you scan your copy of Morningrise and post it here?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:30 pm 
 

I can confirm this too. My Morningrise is "SNA CANDLE 015 CD 07109602 SNA" and My Arms is "AAC1549 00645 CANDLE025CD" mirrored.

tbh you probably have a legit pressing y'know... since Opeth and Candlelight are not Demigod/Drowned Productions rare/bootlegged. Another thing to remember is that albums can be done in different pressing plants so if your Morningrise is something like "AAC.." mirrored then it's legit.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:22 pm 
 

Yep, it starts from "AAC". Strictly speaking "AAC1563 00669 CANDLE015CD". Thanks for your help mate! You calmed me down. :D
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:02 am 
 

anyone who has an original 1 press copy of Saint vitus Die Healing that kindly could provide me info and fonts?
I need Mastering side code and Mould sid code to compare and see if they match..
thank you very much guys

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Stone69
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Is it possible for two different releases [band/album] - having the same label and pressing plants but with different release dates to have the same MASTERING SID and MOULD SID codes?
As in my case both were released by No Fashion Records and made on the same pressing plant DCM Digital Communication Media but with obvious difference on release dates:

Dissection - The Somberlain [Released in 1993] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 23072303 NFR 006
Dark Funeral - Vobiscum Satanas [Released in 1998] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 14070921 NFR 27

and yet they both have the same SID Codes:
Mastering Code: IFPI L052
Mould Code: IFPI 17C4

Any comments?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:14 am 
 

Stone69 wrote:
Is it possible for two different releases [band/album] - having the same label and pressing plants but with different release dates to have the same MASTERING SID and MOULD SID codes?
As in my case both were released by No Fashion Records and made on the same pressing plant DCM Digital Communication Media but with obvious difference on release dates:

Dissection - The Somberlain [Released in 1993] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 23072303 NFR 006
Dark Funeral - Vobiscum Satanas [Released in 1998] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 14070921 NFR 27

and yet they both have the same SID Codes:
Mastering Code: IFPI L052
Mould Code: IFPI 17C4

Any comments?

The mastering SID is usually associated with a company (for instance Sony DADC is L555), whereas the mould SID is associated with the specific machine at the pressing plant. So I'd say it's perfectly normal.

Someone please correct me if I'm judging this wrongly though. ;)
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That's my understanding too, it's pretty common to have the same SID codes or at least very similar, different by say one digit only.
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Thanks komrades! :metal:

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:42 am 
 

anyone who has an original 1 press copy of Saint vitus Die Healing that kindly could provide me info and fonts?
I need Mastering side code and Mould sid code to compare and see if they match..I cannot believe no one has saint vitus cds here..
thank you very much guys

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:54 pm 
 

Just have read this topic, find out that my Immolation DoP is bootleg :)
Decided to check some other CDs in my collection, could You help me with this Malevolent Creation CDs. My friend bought it for me around 2005-2006 somewhere in Europe:

1. The Ten Commandments
Matrix
Spoiler: show
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CD
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2. Stillborn
Matrix
Spoiler: show
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CD
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3. Retribution (one barcode only)
Matrix
Spoiler: show
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CD
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What are these? Should I burn them, he he?

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