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Stone69
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:28 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I see it's on Metal Blade? they often don't have any, Relapse too by the way, not sure why!
http://www.discogs.com/master/41167

Yes it is Metal Blade, mmmm a question that only them labels could answer! :brick:
http://www.discogs.com/God-Dethroned-Bl ... se/3468932 this is the exact CD matrix on mine. hehe

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:55 pm 
 

Found another peanut to crack.

Queen - The 12" Collection
Was issued only in box - http://www.discogs.com/Queen-Box-Of-Tri ... ase/957443
Some copies was also available outside that box via Queen fan club.
Now I have 2 different versions, got them from old warehouse stock.
But not that old, that I could exclude bootleg existence.

Looks like boot or not?

1 Version
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2 Version
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:05 pm 
 

US vs UK, could be a repress or like you say just the other version.
If you look through the ones for sale at Discogs you'll see people have tapes and all sorts for sale in there that aren't in the database [and need adding!]
You'll notice too your matrix is totally different to the image on Discogs
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:31 am 
 

Anyone else got a Korean version of Obituary - Cause Of Death on CD?
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Stone69
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:02 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Just tripped over a bootleg of Immolation - Dawn Of Possession
Maybe it's old news maybe it isn't but thankfully someone posted some good quality images

That font is all wrong but the text is accurate
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The image printed onto the centre of the disc shouldn't be there, it should be clear, and is darker
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Odd looking barcode and darker artwork etc
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Hail komrades!
I am currently on a deal and trying to buy Immolation - Dawn Of Possessions and Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments CD. I asked for both title's picture scan and this was sent to me, could you tell if both are legit copies or not? Thanks!
It seems to me that the Immolation CD is the same as the one above, being suspected of a boot?
Immolation - Dawn Of Possessions disc
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Malevolent Creation - The 10 Commandments disc
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More Images:
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Could anyone help me before I close this deal? Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:32 am 
 

Just notice the differences between the matrix font on the Malevolent Creation CD and on the Immolation one. Without checking it in depth I'd say the first is legit and the later isn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:44 am 
 

androdion wrote:
Just notice the differences between the matrix font on the Malevolent Creation CD and on the Immolation one. Without checking it in depth I'd say the first is legit and the later isn't.

Thanks komrade! Finally concluded this one!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:32 pm 
 

I wouldn't touch the Immolation one but the Malevolent Creation may be ok, have you compared it to Discogs?
My copy of Ten Commandments is a US version and also a repress so is quite a bit different
That one above is European, both made my Sonopress though and that font looks fine to me
No ifpi sid codes? maybe it's an original... valuable stuff mate

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:11 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I wouldn't touch the Immolation one but the Malevolent Creation may be ok, have you compared it to Discogs?
My copy of Ten Commandments is a US version and also a repress so is quite a bit different
That one above is European, both made my Sonopress though and that font looks fine to me
No ifpi sid codes? maybe it's an original... valuable stuff mate
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Yes, the Malevolent Creation has no IFPI SID codes.
Done a search on discogs and saw some images, had compared the Immolation disc to the one posted on discogs, it was exactly the same as the one being labeled as "Bootleg". :metal:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:15 pm 
 

Hopefully this hasn't been posted already but I finally got around to adding on Discogs a bootleg I purchased from Napalm Records of "The black - The Priest of Satan" last year. I wasn't aware it was a bootleg when I bought it but I ended up messaging Paul Thind (aka Typhon, who owned and operated Necropolis Records) on Facebook and he confirmed it is indeed a bootleg. Unfortunately I don't know what year it was bootlegged or by whom but I added good quality photos to the submission for reference.

Here is the link for anyone interested:

http://www.discogs.com/Black-The-Priest-Of-Satan/release/4872790
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:28 pm 
 

Good work, and again the matrix font is the giveaway, that and the 'official word'.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:30 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Good work, and again the matrix font is the giveaway, that and the 'official word'.


Thank you, much appreciated. Is the matrix font a giveaway in general or when compared to the matrix font on other versions of this cd which are official?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:34 pm 
 

Experience from seeing thousands of matrices to me it just doesn't look right.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:35 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Experience from seeing thousands of matrices to me it just doesn't look right.


Gotcha, thanks. That's good to know!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:40 pm 
 

I think you should create a new label Necropolis Records (2) for bootlegs.
To do that just add (2) to the end of the current label and save it.
It'll complain about a new label, I'll add a note to the Necropolis Records page.
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Roc
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:43 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I think you should create a new label Necropolis Records (2) for bootlegs.
To do that just add (2) to the end of the current label and save it.
It'll complain about a new label, I'll add a note to the Necropolis Records page.


Ok sounds good. I'll edit it now. What does the (2) signify?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:47 pm 
 

Roc wrote:
Ok sounds good. I'll edit it now. What does the (2) signify?
It's just a unique name, often a label will have a 'corresponding' bootleg label that just has a (2) after it, but it could be taken by another label with the same name, it could be (3) or (17) or (50) depending on how common the name is.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:48 pm 
 

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Roc wrote:
Ok sounds good. I'll edit it now. What does the (2) signify?
It's just a unique name, often a label will have a 'corresponding' bootleg label that just has a (2) after it, but it could be taken by another label with the same name, it could be (3) or (17) or (50) depending on how common the name is.


Oh ok I see. So basically just something extra to help show people that it's a bootleg. Sounds good.
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Go check out the labels now :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:51 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Go check out the labels now :thumbsup:


Awesome! Thank you very much for the advice and help/votes, I really appreciate it!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:57 pm 
 

It's all good man

Does anyone have a copy of AzarathDiabolic Impious Evil with a cardboard sleeve or without?
And if it doesn't have the sleeve was that how you bought it? and if that was how you bought it was it new like that?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:39 pm 
 

I'm a bit bothered with this next case.
I have this EP on cd: Azrael - Obdurate
Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
In the field where the number should be filled out there is no number at all, so it just looks like (empty)/500

On the back of the case on the lower left corner is printed:
DESASTRIOUS RECORDS
PO BOX 55
DDISON, TX 7500 (I'm not sure about the DDISON)
US

But everything from the second to the last line is wiped out with a black marker.

Codes on the cd itself seem allright compared to discogs.

Anyone who could help me out on this, I really don't understand it.

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:40 pm 
 

Im looking for the matrix number of Morpheus Descends Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones, first pressing (the one with the white tray card and no vampire on it)

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Ritualis wrote:
I'm a bit bothered with this next case.
I have this EP on cd: Azrael - Obdurate
Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
In the field where the number should be filled out there is no number at all, so it just looks like (empty)/500

On the back of the case on the lower left corner is printed:
DESASTRIOUS RECORDS
PO BOX 55
DDISON, TX 7500 (I'm not sure about the DDISON)
US

But everything from the second to the last line is wiped out with a black marker.

Codes on the cd itself seem allright compared to discogs.

Anyone who could help me out on this, I really don't understand it.

There's a place in Texas USA called Addison.
Although they are [now] apparently in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Desastrious_Records/12672

Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
According to whom? does it say anywhere [officially] that they are hand numbered?
I wouldn't be at all concerned with that if everything else seems in order, anyone could have inked it out for any reason.
I say this every time: chuck some scans and links etc here for us all to see, not everyone can be bothered poking and prodding for more info :thumbsup:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Azrael/Obdurate/33084
http://www.discogs.com/Azrael-Obdurate/release/2821137
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:37 am 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Im looking for the matrix number of Morpheus Descends Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones, first pressing (the one with the white tray card and no vampire on it)
Have you tried asking in the history at Discogs? ultra valuable stuff should always be updated there and it ticks me right off when people don't.
Have you just bought one and you're a bit suspicious or you've found one for sale and you're doing some checks first?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:04 pm 
 

Is this the right place to ask something about tapes?
I was looking something about Emperor's demo Wrath of the Tyrant and I saw a couple of different versions. I'm talking about first, self released version and this is what bothers me:

1. Logo
Some versions have and some versions don't have Emperor logo on the center of booklet.
Version with logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20080120/150208236790.jpg
Version without logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20070526/110131727347.jpg
Are both of these original or is one of these bootleg?

2. Tape itself
There are also a couple of different tapes used for this demo. Are all of these original?
1 - http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3370 ... mm_jpg.htm
2 - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20110821/320747792672.jpg
3 - http://www.neseblodrecords.com/cutenews ... st_091.jpg
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:10 am 
 

I've just received a brand new Onward to Golgotha re-issue, and I've a question, hoping you guys could answer.

On the underside of the CD (the "read" area), there are a couple of semi-long streaks (e.g. 1.5 inches ) running circularly along the CD. However, these streaks aren't really on the surface, but embedded deeper and at their ends they just kinda dissolve into the rest of the surface, so no rough edges typical of scratch marks. I'm a bit concerned because the CD case and the holder were partially destroyed during the shipping process, which made the CD detach from its holder. What are these streaks? A manufacturing effect? Should I be concerned about them?

These streaks I'm talking about also don't look like normal scratches. They're a lot "finer" looking.

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I can check mine and report back but how about a photo or a scan of them?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:34 pm 
 

I'm only able to make very shitty pictures due to the reflective surface I guess. Any tips for taking a good photo of a CD?

EDIT: nevermind, here's the photo: lower left corner
EDIT2: Upon further inspection, these streaks aren't really physical in the same way real scratch marks are, but look more like weird discoloration. Still, think they'd be anything problematic?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:30 pm 
 

I have many CDs, bought new and used, where the surface isn't perfectly linear. It's almost as if it had some kind of "circular waves" and the circumference was "wavy". Well, I can't explain it better than that, but it's slightly similar to what you have on that picture. It's like a different colouration, or a different tonality in some places of the reflective surface.

To this day I haven't had one of those who caused me any problems, and I always thought of that as part of the manufacturing process. I mean, it's hot plastic put in a mould with a metallic layer in-between. It's bound to have imperfections. Like when you get a new CD out from the pressing plant and the metallic outer edge is seemingly "jagged", almost looking like disc rot minus the discolouration, when in reality it's completely normal.
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You'll be pleased to know my copy of Onward To Golgotha, reissued with bonus DVD also has loads of weird marks on it
http://www.discogs.com/Incantation-Onward-To-Golgotha/release/2235195
I have some really gnarly discs way worse than this and they play without issue, it's pretty common.
androdion is likely correct about it just being part of the manufacturing process

Tips for taking a good photo of a CD = trial and error then pick the least bad one is what I do :p
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Paka01 wrote:
Is this the right place to ask something about tapes?
I was looking something about Emperor's demo Wrath of the Tyrant and I saw a couple of different versions. I'm talking about first, self released version and this is what bothers me:

1. Logo
Some versions have and some versions don't have Emperor logo on the center of booklet.
Version with logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20080120/150208236790.jpg
Version without logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20070526/110131727347.jpg
Are both of these original or is one of these bootleg?

2. Tape itself
There are also a couple of different tapes used for this demo. Are all of these original?
1 - http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3370 ... mm_jpg.htm
2 - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20110821/320747792672.jpg
3 - http://www.neseblodrecords.com/cutenews ... st_091.jpg


While I don't know the answer to this, their demo may have been done before they had a band logo
I'm suspicious of tape demos like this anyway, how can you tell?
Maybe email the band, who knows they may respond.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:53 am 
 

Thanks for the replies androdion & dreadmeat. It does seem to play without any issue, though I've yet to listen to it fully...

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Strange, or at least coincidental, that this is coming up with an Incantation reissue. I recently got a newer version of Mortal Throne of Nazarene to replace a heavily scratched one, and my CD player, which is only 4 months old, has been having issues reading the disc when the player isn't warmed up. I suppose it could be a laser or other mechanical issue, but I've been trying out a shit ton of CD's when the player is "cold" and so far Mortal Throne is the only one my player can't read (it just gives the "no disc" message). Comparing the packaging of the two, there are slight differences: the font of the newer issue looks like it isn't in boldface like the older, the image of the band is a slightly different size. The copyright fine print beneath the barcode and Relapse logo has disappeared for the newer one. One of the discs, the older, has a ring -- an actual physical depression -- around the plastic hub. When a CD hasn't been reissued, do they change details like this throughout different pressings? Or is an issue the same as a pressing? I'm realizing I have no idea how the manufacturing of discs works.

This is odd. Squinting at the codes around the hub, I see on the newer one a date and time, 2-04-2013, and either 5 or 9:03:53 PM. Is that normal? A date and time? I'd scan them but my scanner is having some issues at the moment. For at least a general idea here are some terrible pics in bad lighting.

Old copy:
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New copy:
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Old on left; new on right:
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More pre-post detectiving:
Looking at IFPI stuff at discogs, this is my older one:
http://www.discogs.com/Incantation-Mort ... se/4733272
All that about a mirrored "manufactured by KAO optical," that's on mine. My newer one, however, only has that date and time stamp I mentioned along with 7232-6905-CD, which doesn't seem to line up with anything at discogs. I bought this through Best Buy's site, of all places. What is it?

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Variations between represses is common, you have a really recent one
And no dates and times aren't the norm but are pretty common.
You should add it to Discogs :nods:

I wonder if it has some weirdo copy protection on it...?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:03 am 
 

My Mortal Throne looks like your newer variant (i. e. the non-emboldened text). I bought it new, and it even came with the typical Relapse sticker on the factory wrapping, so it's definitely legit, if this helps you.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:16 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Variations between represses is common, you have a really recent one
And no dates and times aren't the norm but are pretty common.
You should add it to Discogs :nods:

I wonder if it has some weirdo copy protection on it...?


I'll check the copy protection tomorrow when I'm not on my dinky Chromebook. However, I'm trying to add it to discogs; I have no clue what those numbers are supposed to be categorized as. As I said there's a time and date, then next to that in ultra tiny font it says #94704. Next to that, even tinier, is IFPI LN08. Then a big 7232-6905-CD. On the discogs dropdown menu it gives options like "mastering SID code" and "matrix," etc. How would you categorize each of those codes?

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Matrix - everything you see there
Mastering sid code - IFPI LN08
Mould sid code - will be pressed/stamped into the centre somewhere, it may not have one

http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

scroll down to 5.3
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-barcode.html

My copy came from Amazon and was possibly the first CD I ever bought online
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:59 am 
 

Righto, thanks, everything's been submitted, and as it's almost 5 in the morning and I'm delirious, it'll be amazing if I didn't screw something up. This is my first foray into discogs. I'll edit if necessary later.

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krakhuul wrote:
My Mortal Throne looks like your newer variant (i. e. the non-emboldened text). I bought it new, and it even came with the typical Relapse sticker on the factory wrapping, so it's definitely legit, if this helps you.


Good to know! I assume you've not had any problems with CD players reading the disc?

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Nope, none so far. I think I've played it on 3 different players and it has always worked perfectly.

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