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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:33 pm 
 

Find me a copy of Miasma's Changes for an acceptable price and I'll kiss your behind... well, maybe... :oh shit:
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:57 pm 
 

Yeah I want that one too and you can be sure I'll update the respective Discogs pages with full matrix info and scans/photos
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:06 pm 
 

Fuck that, I want my copy!!! :guns:

Just kidding dude...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:14 am 
 

Beware! There is a bootleg out of ISENGARD's Vinterskugge CD on Deaf Records. Covers are pretty good replicas and it's hard to notice by that. But the matrix on the disc says only "FENRIZ". Anyone who deals with old CD's knows that there is no such version that has matrix like that... Disc itself also has a bit shady print. Matrix however is the best way to identify it.

I've encountered this now twice. Once through discogs and yesterday at local 2nd hand record store (which they removed from the sale after I talked about it). Crush the bootleggers!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:55 am 
 

New question:
just got Order From Chaos / Stillbirth Machine / Crushed Infamy CD by Osmose, CD Matrix is DADC AUSTRIA IFPI L553 A0100247447-0101 12 A0, but booklet is only 4 pages: 1. cover art 2. lyrics of Stillbirth Machine 3. photos + adv. or Helmkamp book 4. band photo.
Is it regular edition or i just got a "promo" instead?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:21 am 
 

androdion wrote:
In other news, it seems like this house is mine and dreadmeat's! as we're virtually the only ones replying all the time... :-D

Is it possible that one of this SETHERIAL - Nord | 1996 Napalm Records is a bootleg? I have both copies and wanted to dispose one of them. Just making sure because I don't want to keep the wrong or probably a bootleg copy in my collection.

White Logo Print - CD Matrix: 03071108 NPR 017 eruditus +49 (0) 245191250 [Without SID codes]
Silver Logo Print - CD Matrix: DADC Austria A0100184477-0101 13 A0 IFPI L553

The album was released in 1996 and judging by the absence of SID code on the White Print Version, is it possible that this one may be a boot?

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There was an old thread regarding this one here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=71177 , but no sure comments/replies were posted.

Any help/comments from the masters - androdion/dreadmeat?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:20 am 
 

Stone69 wrote:
androdion wrote:
In other news, it seems like this house is mine and dreadmeat's! as we're virtually the only ones replying all the time... :-D

Is it possible that one of this SETHERIAL - Nord | 1996 Napalm Records is a bootleg? I have both copies and wanted to dispose one of them. Just making sure because I don't want to keep the wrong or probably a bootleg copy in my collection.

White Logo Print - CD Matrix: 03071108 NPR 017 eruditus +49 (0) 245191250 [Without SID codes]
Silver Logo Print - CD Matrix: DADC Austria A0100184477-0101 13 A0 IFPI L553

The album was released in 1996 and judging by the absence of SID code on the White Print Version, is it possible that this one may be a boot?

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There was an old thread regarding this one here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=71177 , but no sure comments/replies were posted.

Any help/comments from the masters - androdion/dreadmeat?

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Without checking for 100%, it looks like the one on the right is the earlier pressing (with the old Napalm logo on the back), and the one with SPV on the left looks like a later pressing (probably after Napalm got a distribution deal). The one on the right matches my version, anyhow. I'd imagine both are legit to be fair, but I'd need to see the Matrices.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:24 am 
 

Right I have a query of my own here, as this has left me a little flummoxed...

I picked up a cheap copy of Nokturnel's 'Nothing But Hatred' on JL America, and just wanted to query the below with anyone else who owns it.

http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/No ... tred/12516

Basically, it 'looks' legit - slightly aged booklet/yellowing - disc has marking from use - it even has a little card 'mail order' thing tucked in between the pages of the booklet that advertises their infamous compilation album from way back when - totally not the usual thing that would be bootlegged in my eyes. However, it has no matrix code whatsoever. All other JL America bits I've seen have some sort of matrix code, so thought it was pretty odd. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:17 am 
 

AcidMind wrote:
New question:
just got Order From Chaos / Stillbirth Machine / Crushed Infamy CD by Osmose, CD Matrix is DADC AUSTRIA IFPI L553 A0100247447-0101 12 A0, but booklet is only 4 pages: 1. cover art 2. lyrics of Stillbirth Machine 3. photos + adv. or Helmkamp book 4. band photo.
Is it regular edition or i just got a "promo" instead?

Should be the real deal, although I can't find a matrix for that online. Discogs does state that the promo version comes in a (as usual) cardboard sleeve. Only someone with a similar copy can confirm that though.

@ Stone69 - What Daemonlord said. And the fact that I'm constantly responding in this thread doesn't necessarily mean that I know every trick in the book. ;)
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irionman
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:23 pm 
 

This isn't a cd, but a tape. (Didn't wanna spam the forum) Anyways, I received a Gehenna tape and I cannot find any information on it anywhere. See the image below.

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(edit: holy hell, sorry for that huge image. it's not a great photo hence the size needed)

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ancientorder
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:08 am 
 

It would help a lot if you would mention WHICH Gehenna this is supposed to be. If it's the Norwegian one, I didn't find any information about tape like that...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:38 am 
 

imageshack.com has image size options for posting to forums, just copy and paste the code into your message and voila.

Also I have an epic update regarding my Majesty And Decay CD from months ago... just you wait! :nono:
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:59 am 
 

Daemonlord wrote:
Nokturnel's 'Nothing But Hatred' on JL America

it has no matrix code whatsoever. All other JL America bits I've seen have some sort of matrix code, so thought it was pretty odd. Any thoughts?


My copy has three tiny codes written around the hub: the barcode 7-3815-41015-2 (which is also written much larger on the face of the disc under the JL America logo), something that looks like PILS, and a third number which may be W.O. 62821-3M. My eyes aren't so great at quarter til seven on a Sunday morning, I should add, and these codes, for whatever reason, seem harder to pick out than others I've seen. Strangely, I don't think mine had the mail order card. I remember buying it sealed from a dollar bin with other JL America releases in ... the early 2000's, I think. (Beherit's DDTM and Pyogenesis' Ignis Creatio were the other two I snagged. There were multiple copies of them, it was like a JL America dump. I miss those days of magical music store finds.) Obviously I can't comment on the legitimacy of my copies, as I have no idea where they came from before showing up in a Media Play bargain bin. Here's to hoping.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:47 am 
 

DeathfareDevil wrote:

My copy has three tiny codes written around the hub: the barcode 7-3815-41015-2 (which is also written much larger on the face of the disc under the JL America logo), something that looks like PILS, and a third number which may be W.O. 62821-3M. My eyes aren't so great at quarter til seven on a Sunday morning, I should add, and these codes, for whatever reason, seem harder to pick out than others I've seen. Strangely, I don't think mine had the mail order card. I remember buying it sealed from a dollar bin with other JL America releases in ... the early 2000's, I think. (Beherit's DDTM and Pyogenesis' Ignis Creatio were the other two I snagged. There were multiple copies of them, it was like a JL America dump. I miss those days of magical music store finds.) Obviously I can't comment on the legitimacy of my copies, as I have no idea where they came from before showing up in a Media Play bargain bin. Here's to hoping.


Holy shit! I've just shone a spotlight on the disc directly and these exact codes have just miraculously appeared on mine too! I've never seen a matrix code like this before. In normal light they're pretty much invisible, even when held at multiple angles. That is crazy. Thanks for that, I would never have double checked otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:43 am 
 

ancientorder wrote:
It would help a lot if you would mention WHICH Gehenna this is supposed to be. If it's the Norwegian one, I didn't find any information about tape like that...


It's obvious which Gehenna this is. There's only one that has these songs.
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Gehenna/2155

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:12 pm 
 

Update on the Gehenna tape. From the band: "It's a demo the band recorded that was never intended for release meaning to test some songs before recording the Malice album." "Those demo-recordings came out on the deluxe vinyl edition of Malice which is now all sold out, so you got a true gem in your hands there." I'm enjoying this monday.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:40 pm 
 

Immolation - Majesty And Decay
COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail

New release added to Discogs, take a look.
http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588

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I've recently bought a new copy of the 1999 Mosh CDL reissue of Clandestine, and there's a surface mark that looks like a combination of lines and loops that go perpendicularly from the centre to the outer edge of the underside. It looks almost exactly like what you can see in the upper left corner of the underside of the Immolation bootleg that was posted a couple of pages back.

The Immo bootleg
http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-620449-1377782283-5854.jpeg
http://s16.postimg.org/v6dh17hnp/immo.jpg
What is this?

EDIT: changed the image into two links showing the same pic.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:47 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Immolation - Majesty And Decay
COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail

New release added to Discogs, take a look.
http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588

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Let me understand.. the first photo is the boot and the photo below is the original, right?? thanx

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:22 am 
 

@ krakhuul - Please repost your picture as it doesn't show up.

@ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:51 am 
 

I've changed it into two links, since the image seemed to show up on my computer only for some reason. Do you see it now?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:17 pm 
 

Still can't see the first image, it gives a "403 Forbidden" error... However that may be, do you mean those elliptic marks on the top left corner of the second picture?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:21 pm 
 

Yes, they're almost exactly the same on my Clandestine CD.

And both links lead to the same picture. I've uploaded two as backup :D

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:26 pm 
 

Weird stuff. Are those marks just a different shade of grey (let's call it like that), are they deep grooves or embossed? Do you notice any type of distortion in the sound when you play songs that are pressed in that area of the disc?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:38 pm 
 

Yup, just a different shade than the rest of the surface. Don't really know about deep or embossed, but they do seem as if they were very much close to the surface. The disc plays fine.

I'm guessing these marks aren't an indicator that the CD is a bootleg? The similarity with the Immo boot kind of scares me though, but do people even bootleg available represses? The matrixes and whatnot look fine (I think), but I can't take a picture at the moment.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:53 pm 
 

It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it. If it had some kind of skipping or something like that it could be a serious defect on the surface, but since it plays fine...

Earache stuff bootlegged?! That I live to see the day. Earache is probably the label that represses their stuff the most! :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:44 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it.
that's what it looks like here too, i have a few like this, it's pretty common and can be alarming agreed!

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Immolation - Majesty And Decay
COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail

New release added to Discogs, take a look.
http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588
http://i.imgur.com/nrryMkM.jpg
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Let me understand.. the first photo is the boot and the photo below is the original, right?? thanx
Yeah the top one is a counterfeit copy.
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@ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
  1. the matrix as seen in the image above is 'inverted'
  2. there is no mould SID code
  3. the matrix font is wrong
  4. the mastering SID code font is wrong
  5. disc image is low quality and green
  6. booklet and rear cover images are the wrong colour
  7. booklet and rear cover fonts are wrong
  8. booklet paper is too thick
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:59 pm 
 

Good lord, talk about detail hein?! :p

Didn't we talk at the time that it could be a licensed version to another region, thus having a different print/lower quality?! I seem to recall something like that, however I think that edition doesn't mention anything like that. Does it? That would explain why a three year old CD from the biggest metal label in the world would need to be bootlegged, which is something nearly unfathomable as I see it.

It's bizarre to say the least, but this is indeed a mad world we live in.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:19 pm 
 

It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.
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dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.


Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...

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DigitalDictator wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.


Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...

I'm not really sure about this because I don't have any notion of the mechanics involved in the actual manufacturing, but I guess that almost everything can be faked today if you have the right tools. What most likely happens is that it's not profitable enough for bootleggers to have a 100% air tight replication scheme, and since bootlegging is about money...

I'm not putting out facts here though, just my opinion.
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Have got digiCD of Incubus / Beyond The Unknown / Serpent Temptation by Nuclear Blast. Matrix is different from discogs: LU029947 NB 0519-2 01 0MM Technicolor / IFPI L128 / ifpi 7009. I've added it to discogs release notes, but want to confirm is it legit or digipack also could be bootlegged as well :)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:46 pm 
 

Hard to tell really, maybe Daemonlord can help you with that one. Might as well PM him if he doesn't catch a glimpse of this one. ;)
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dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.
DigitalDictator wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...
You can, I have a couple here, another thing they do is use a legit plant then scratch/melt/obscure the SID codes :nono:
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Damnit! How can they use legit plants? I's unbelievable! I have never seen a counterfeit copy with matrix font 100% identical to the original, did you?

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So I came across Trash - Watch Out today in the local record store. 2nd hand in very good condition and only 1 €, so I bought it on a whim. It's apparently this German first press. I'm just curious, since the low price tag made me suspicious. I saw a few (Swedish) copies for sale online and they seem to be around 10 € or so, but that was only cursory "research." It's obviously not something particularly rare (I think), but still. I guess it's still possible that it's a bootleg, fake, whatever.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:32 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
Have got digiCD of Incubus / Beyond The Unknown / Serpent Temptation by Nuclear Blast. Matrix is different from discogs: LU029947 NB 0519-2 01 0MM Technicolor / IFPI L128 / ifpi 7009. I've added it to discogs release notes, but want to confirm is it legit or digipack also could be bootlegged as well :)


I don't think this CD has been bootlegged as it is too common and of a small value. Also I don't know about many Digipacks that have been bootlegged, mostly standard CDs.
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[/img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA0NVgxMDY4/z/iRcAAOxyCepScSct/$T2eC16J,!w4FIZwtYmevBScScsI2Uw~~60_0.JPG[/img]

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Can someone help me with this one? Is it the original version or just a bootleg?

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Can someone help me with this one? Is it the original version or just a bootleg?

Thanks in advance
There might be a way to get the auction number from that url but I don't see it, how about a link to the auction?
Also it looks like a bit of a minefield with that one, 'originals' sell for $100+ and some Russians are selling them for $15... :scratch:
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Can somebody help me with this one and give me any information about this pressing? First of all, is it legit haha?

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