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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:46 pm 
 

Titenis wrote:
come on guys i've posted pics of my copy..someone who has original copy that could answer to my request
I asked for some more info on the Discogs page http://www.discogs.com/history?release=618663#latest
You have to be patient or maybe contact everyone you can find who has a copy and ask them to check it.
You can't really expect to have a definitive answer in a couple of days mate, especially in here, not everyone who has one is looking through the Metal Archives forum and sees the "CD Identification, Matrix & Bootleg Help Thread" title then wades though 18 pages to see your question about a St Vitus CD

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A curious question for the residents in this thread. :p

Is it unusual for a CD to miss one the SID codes? Like, having a mastering code but not a mould code, or the other way around? I seem to find a CD without one of them every once in a while, but why does that happen? Anyone knows?
Not at all unusual, it's surprising to see some of the bigger labels [like Relapse] often have no ifpi sid codes at all... :crash:
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:21 pm 
 

@dreadtmeat
i appreciate you asking for more info about my copy of the CD
when you will have definitive answer please post here in the thread
thank you guy

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slayerthe7
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:17 pm 
 

Pueden ayudarme a identificar una cancion?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:10 pm 
 

slayerthe7 wrote:
Pueden ayudarme a identificar una cancion?

No. Pero puedes preguntar aquí, y en Inglés.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:18 am 
 

BR? huehuehue ><.


Hey does anyone have Rotten Sound ‎– Under Pressure / Drain the double CD reissue?
http://www.discogs.com/release/4961817
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:05 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
BR? huehuehue ><.

Wut?

dreadmeat wrote:
Hey does anyone have Rotten Sound ‎– Under Pressure / Drain the double CD reissue?
http://www.discogs.com/release/4961817

Alas, I have those two in their Repulse incarnations. It's admittedly weird if the first disc is only one track though.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:03 pm 
 

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/135/593/brfw0.png
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/huahuehuahue

I added my Rotten Sound double CD to Discogs yesterday, if it's the same as the one that exists we can just merge them but yeah I took the time and made a good submission so hopefully my data is kept [including the scans]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:05 pm 
 

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Oh man, the things I learn from you! :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:23 pm 
 

BlackHussar wrote:
Does Opeth's first press versions of "Morningrise" and "My Arms, Your Hearse" have mirrored matrix?


My Arms is mirrored, but Morningrise don't.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:03 am 
 

drobowik wrote:
My Arms is mirrored, but Morningrise don't.


Can you scan your copy of Morningrise and post it here?
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LifeDemise
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:30 pm 
 

I can confirm this too. My Morningrise is "SNA CANDLE 015 CD 07109602 SNA" and My Arms is "AAC1549 00645 CANDLE025CD" mirrored.

tbh you probably have a legit pressing y'know... since Opeth and Candlelight are not Demigod/Drowned Productions rare/bootlegged. Another thing to remember is that albums can be done in different pressing plants so if your Morningrise is something like "AAC.." mirrored then it's legit.

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BlackHussar
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:22 pm 
 

Yep, it starts from "AAC". Strictly speaking "AAC1563 00669 CANDLE015CD". Thanks for your help mate! You calmed me down. :D
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:02 am 
 

anyone who has an original 1 press copy of Saint vitus Die Healing that kindly could provide me info and fonts?
I need Mastering side code and Mould sid code to compare and see if they match..
thank you very much guys

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Stone69
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:26 am 
 

Is it possible for two different releases [band/album] - having the same label and pressing plants but with different release dates to have the same MASTERING SID and MOULD SID codes?
As in my case both were released by No Fashion Records and made on the same pressing plant DCM Digital Communication Media but with obvious difference on release dates:

Dissection - The Somberlain [Released in 1993] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 23072303 NFR 006
Dark Funeral - Vobiscum Satanas [Released in 1998] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 14070921 NFR 27

and yet they both have the same SID Codes:
Mastering Code: IFPI L052
Mould Code: IFPI 17C4

Any comments?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:14 am 
 

Stone69 wrote:
Is it possible for two different releases [band/album] - having the same label and pressing plants but with different release dates to have the same MASTERING SID and MOULD SID codes?
As in my case both were released by No Fashion Records and made on the same pressing plant DCM Digital Communication Media but with obvious difference on release dates:

Dissection - The Somberlain [Released in 1993] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 23072303 NFR 006
Dark Funeral - Vobiscum Satanas [Released in 1998] Matrix: DCM [Logo] Digital Communication Media 14070921 NFR 27

and yet they both have the same SID Codes:
Mastering Code: IFPI L052
Mould Code: IFPI 17C4

Any comments?

The mastering SID is usually associated with a company (for instance Sony DADC is L555), whereas the mould SID is associated with the specific machine at the pressing plant. So I'd say it's perfectly normal.

Someone please correct me if I'm judging this wrongly though. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 3:33 pm 
 

That's my understanding too, it's pretty common to have the same SID codes or at least very similar, different by say one digit only.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:41 pm 
 

Thanks komrades! :metal:

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:42 am 
 

anyone who has an original 1 press copy of Saint vitus Die Healing that kindly could provide me info and fonts?
I need Mastering side code and Mould sid code to compare and see if they match..I cannot believe no one has saint vitus cds here..
thank you very much guys

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:54 pm 
 

Just have read this topic, find out that my Immolation DoP is bootleg :)
Decided to check some other CDs in my collection, could You help me with this Malevolent Creation CDs. My friend bought it for me around 2005-2006 somewhere in Europe:

1. The Ten Commandments
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2. Stillborn
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3. Retribution (one barcode only)
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What are these? Should I burn them, he he?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:23 pm 
 

Well, first things first. Usually the RR/RC presses have SONOPRESS for the matrix, although there are editions with different matrices depending on where they were pressed (US vs EU) or when (represses). And all RR/RC editions were repressed around 1996 according to what many collectors have been telling over time, can't give you a written piece of text to confirm that so take it with a pinch of salt (although it's basically that, and that's why you find RR/RC albums with SONOPRESS matrices and IFPI codes, which were implemented post-1994).

Now, my copy of Retribution is exactly like yours, whereas my copy of TTC is this one. Stillborn I don't own. Your copy of it seems like an actual first press, unless that smudge in the lower side of the inner ring is a SID code (IFPI). Discogs also lists a repress of Stillborn with a "manufactured by optimal media production..." matrix, and coincidently there are no represses listed for Retribution (although they exist), which should be because no one has entered them.

Also bear in mind that post-1992 you see a lot of availability for RR/RC editions, and this is mainly because of how distribution increased in Europe. You can see that from Deicide's Legion for instance, which can be found pretty cheap everywhere. So it's only normal that most other albums from that date have more or less the same kind of broader distribution. Now, pre-1992 is where it gets trickier, and mainly when you get into the late eighties/early nineties because there were no major distribution deals between the US and Europe (read: as broad as they would become).

I also may be talking out of my ass with this one, but didn't Metal Blade distribute RR/RC calatogue in Europe at that point in time? You find mainly Dutch and German editions when it comes to European presses of that label, so it wouldn't surprise me if such a thing was true.

Point is, unless you bought them from a dubious source I sincerely doubt they're bootlegs. DOP's first press still sells for way more than any MC album so that's a good argument to get into bootlegging it, you know?! And just out of curiosity, how do you know your copy is a boot?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:37 pm 
 

PS: Just remembered where I got my reassurance at the time I purchased Retribution. Take a look at the pages listed below, I believe all the matrices on your copies are listed there. I suppose if that info is correct they should be European represses (or something...).

http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/10968
http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/10965
http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/10967
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:03 pm 
 

They look like represses to me, not originals or "first presses" but still possibly bootlegs, they do appear legitimate, the matrix fonts and SID codes look ok from here.
The fact you are in Russia makes it slightly more questionable though, depends where you got them from... "Europe" is a big place

Top marks for posting good images :thumbsup:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:02 am 
 

Thanks for answers! Now i feel more or less fine with my MC CDs (still need to find good copy of DOP :) )

MC CDs comes to me from something like Belgium, i believe. My friend was not into music (especially this kind of), so i just sent him list to check it out in music shops.

As to DOP - i figured out that it's bootleg because of matrix (and CD/booklet) looks like bootleg according to discogs (couple of pages ago it was discussed in this topic as well)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:21 am 
 

Can you put up a photo/scan of your copy of Dawn Of Possession?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:27 am 
 

I recognise your wordpress avatar from Discogs too :nods:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:02 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I recognise your wordpress avatar from Discogs too :nods:


Yep, they are both me ;)

Here are fotos of my copy of DOP

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Just noticed that when CD on tray it's not cleat that CD is printed all around the central hole (like on bootleg foto on discogs page).

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:01 am 
 

Yeah... that font gives it away. It's pretty much as I said in my previous post though, DOP still has a very interesting resell value, thus making it more prone to bootlegging. MC not nearly as much.

In other news, it seems like this house is mine and dreadmeat's! as we're virtually the only ones replying all the time... :-D
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:21 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Yeah... that font gives it away. It's pretty much as I said in my previous post though, DOP still has a very interesting resell value, thus making it more prone to bootlegging. MC not nearly as much.

In other news, it seems like this house is mine and dreadmeat's! as we're virtually the only ones replying all the time... :-D


Please stay longer, i probably will have more question.
By the way - did You bought Ghoul CD from me on Discogs?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:12 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
Please stay longer, i probably will have more question.

By the way - did You bought Ghoul CD from me on Discogs?

I'm not going anywhere. ;)

Well hello Dmitry, aka "TempusNemini". Yeah, I use the same Internet alias pretty much everywhere. :D Didn't even realize it was you mate! How's it going?!

PS: This guy is a really cool seller and everyone should buy shit from him. You can dismiss the bad feedback given by people who just can't seem to wait for orders to arrive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:29 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
In other news, it seems like this house is mine and dreadmeat's! as we're virtually the only ones replying all the time... :-D
Ha ha chur bro! :beer:
TempusNemini had something I wanted too, I'll just keep my eye on it for now though.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:34 pm 
 

So this looks legit to you guys aye? it looks the same as the other copies I saw on Ebay
The dimple dents on the booklet are slightly different, the table is a different colour and the disc has different markings [specks of dust, small cat hairs etc]

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:52 pm 
 

I was talking with Daemonlord once about an old disc and the basic conclusion was that "old age can't be faked", so take that as you will.

To be honest today was the first time I heard about that band, and I have little experience with NR editions pre-97/98. Can't be of any help here.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:54 pm 
 

Dude, you've never heard of Disastrous Murmur?! :o

"old age can't be faked" I like that
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:56 pm 
 

Can't know them all (and I already know way too many). I've seen what/how they are, but then again I've never liked Pungent Stench, so from the get go I have no big intention on listening to it. Nothing personal. :p
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:00 pm 
 

I love all that Austrian stuff :nods:
Are you going to use that quote in your sig?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm 
 

I love all that Austrian Disharmonic Orchestra.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:58 am 
 

I think the only Austrian band I listen to is Miasma, which then again is fucking expensive! :annoyed: Why are all death metal classics from that country so pricey?!

My sig is like my alias, I always use the same. :p
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Limited numbers made, small label, obscure band etc I suppose :roll:
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:13 pm 
 

It was more of a rhetorical question, as in "Oh why?!". I know why. :p
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:21 pm 
 

I have a mate in Austria and his idea of "expensive" is really different to mine, lets just say I may be getting some more of this obscure Austrian stuff in the not too distant future...

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