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Ritualis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 2:39 pm 
 

I'm a bit bothered with this next case.
I have this EP on cd: Azrael - Obdurate
Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
In the field where the number should be filled out there is no number at all, so it just looks like (empty)/500

On the back of the case on the lower left corner is printed:
DESASTRIOUS RECORDS
PO BOX 55
DDISON, TX 7500 (I'm not sure about the DDISON)
US

But everything from the second to the last line is wiped out with a black marker.

Codes on the cd itself seem allright compared to discogs.

Anyone who could help me out on this, I really don't understand it.

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:40 pm 
 

Im looking for the matrix number of Morpheus Descends Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones, first pressing (the one with the white tray card and no vampire on it)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:34 am 
 

Ritualis wrote:
I'm a bit bothered with this next case.
I have this EP on cd: Azrael - Obdurate
Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
In the field where the number should be filled out there is no number at all, so it just looks like (empty)/500

On the back of the case on the lower left corner is printed:
DESASTRIOUS RECORDS
PO BOX 55
DDISON, TX 7500 (I'm not sure about the DDISON)
US

But everything from the second to the last line is wiped out with a black marker.

Codes on the cd itself seem allright compared to discogs.

Anyone who could help me out on this, I really don't understand it.

There's a place in Texas USA called Addison.
Although they are [now] apparently in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA
http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Desastrious_Records/12672

Normally it should be a handnumbered one out of 500 copies.
According to whom? does it say anywhere [officially] that they are hand numbered?
I wouldn't be at all concerned with that if everything else seems in order, anyone could have inked it out for any reason.
I say this every time: chuck some scans and links etc here for us all to see, not everyone can be bothered poking and prodding for more info :thumbsup:
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Azrael/Obdurate/33084
http://www.discogs.com/Azrael-Obdurate/release/2821137
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:37 am 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Im looking for the matrix number of Morpheus Descends Chronicles of the Shadowed Ones, first pressing (the one with the white tray card and no vampire on it)
Have you tried asking in the history at Discogs? ultra valuable stuff should always be updated there and it ticks me right off when people don't.
Have you just bought one and you're a bit suspicious or you've found one for sale and you're doing some checks first?
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Paka01
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:04 pm 
 

Is this the right place to ask something about tapes?
I was looking something about Emperor's demo Wrath of the Tyrant and I saw a couple of different versions. I'm talking about first, self released version and this is what bothers me:

1. Logo
Some versions have and some versions don't have Emperor logo on the center of booklet.
Version with logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20080120/150208236790.jpg
Version without logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20070526/110131727347.jpg
Are both of these original or is one of these bootleg?

2. Tape itself
There are also a couple of different tapes used for this demo. Are all of these original?
1 - http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3370 ... mm_jpg.htm
2 - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20110821/320747792672.jpg
3 - http://www.neseblodrecords.com/cutenews ... st_091.jpg
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:10 am 
 

I've just received a brand new Onward to Golgotha re-issue, and I've a question, hoping you guys could answer.

On the underside of the CD (the "read" area), there are a couple of semi-long streaks (e.g. 1.5 inches ) running circularly along the CD. However, these streaks aren't really on the surface, but embedded deeper and at their ends they just kinda dissolve into the rest of the surface, so no rough edges typical of scratch marks. I'm a bit concerned because the CD case and the holder were partially destroyed during the shipping process, which made the CD detach from its holder. What are these streaks? A manufacturing effect? Should I be concerned about them?

These streaks I'm talking about also don't look like normal scratches. They're a lot "finer" looking.

Couple of edits: spelling, grammar

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:40 am 
 

I can check mine and report back but how about a photo or a scan of them?
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:34 pm 
 

I'm only able to make very shitty pictures due to the reflective surface I guess. Any tips for taking a good photo of a CD?

EDIT: nevermind, here's the photo: lower left corner
EDIT2: Upon further inspection, these streaks aren't really physical in the same way real scratch marks are, but look more like weird discoloration. Still, think they'd be anything problematic?


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androdion
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:30 pm 
 

I have many CDs, bought new and used, where the surface isn't perfectly linear. It's almost as if it had some kind of "circular waves" and the circumference was "wavy". Well, I can't explain it better than that, but it's slightly similar to what you have on that picture. It's like a different colouration, or a different tonality in some places of the reflective surface.

To this day I haven't had one of those who caused me any problems, and I always thought of that as part of the manufacturing process. I mean, it's hot plastic put in a mould with a metallic layer in-between. It's bound to have imperfections. Like when you get a new CD out from the pressing plant and the metallic outer edge is seemingly "jagged", almost looking like disc rot minus the discolouration, when in reality it's completely normal.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:08 pm 
 

You'll be pleased to know my copy of Onward To Golgotha, reissued with bonus DVD also has loads of weird marks on it
http://www.discogs.com/Incantation-Onward-To-Golgotha/release/2235195
I have some really gnarly discs way worse than this and they play without issue, it's pretty common.
androdion is likely correct about it just being part of the manufacturing process

Tips for taking a good photo of a CD = trial and error then pick the least bad one is what I do :p
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:12 pm 
 

Paka01 wrote:
Is this the right place to ask something about tapes?
I was looking something about Emperor's demo Wrath of the Tyrant and I saw a couple of different versions. I'm talking about first, self released version and this is what bothers me:

1. Logo
Some versions have and some versions don't have Emperor logo on the center of booklet.
Version with logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20080120/150208236790.jpg
Version without logo - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20070526/110131727347.jpg
Are both of these original or is one of these bootleg?

2. Tape itself
There are also a couple of different tapes used for this demo. Are all of these original?
1 - http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3370 ... mm_jpg.htm
2 - http://www.popsike.com/pix/20110821/320747792672.jpg
3 - http://www.neseblodrecords.com/cutenews ... st_091.jpg


While I don't know the answer to this, their demo may have been done before they had a band logo
I'm suspicious of tape demos like this anyway, how can you tell?
Maybe email the band, who knows they may respond.
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:53 am 
 

Thanks for the replies androdion & dreadmeat. It does seem to play without any issue, though I've yet to listen to it fully...

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DeathfareDevil
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:22 pm 
 

Strange, or at least coincidental, that this is coming up with an Incantation reissue. I recently got a newer version of Mortal Throne of Nazarene to replace a heavily scratched one, and my CD player, which is only 4 months old, has been having issues reading the disc when the player isn't warmed up. I suppose it could be a laser or other mechanical issue, but I've been trying out a shit ton of CD's when the player is "cold" and so far Mortal Throne is the only one my player can't read (it just gives the "no disc" message). Comparing the packaging of the two, there are slight differences: the font of the newer issue looks like it isn't in boldface like the older, the image of the band is a slightly different size. The copyright fine print beneath the barcode and Relapse logo has disappeared for the newer one. One of the discs, the older, has a ring -- an actual physical depression -- around the plastic hub. When a CD hasn't been reissued, do they change details like this throughout different pressings? Or is an issue the same as a pressing? I'm realizing I have no idea how the manufacturing of discs works.

This is odd. Squinting at the codes around the hub, I see on the newer one a date and time, 2-04-2013, and either 5 or 9:03:53 PM. Is that normal? A date and time? I'd scan them but my scanner is having some issues at the moment. For at least a general idea here are some terrible pics in bad lighting.

Old copy:
Image

New copy:
Image

Old on left; new on right:
Image

More pre-post detectiving:
Looking at IFPI stuff at discogs, this is my older one:
http://www.discogs.com/Incantation-Mort ... se/4733272
All that about a mirrored "manufactured by KAO optical," that's on mine. My newer one, however, only has that date and time stamp I mentioned along with 7232-6905-CD, which doesn't seem to line up with anything at discogs. I bought this through Best Buy's site, of all places. What is it?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:32 am 
 

Variations between represses is common, you have a really recent one
And no dates and times aren't the norm but are pretty common.
You should add it to Discogs :nods:

I wonder if it has some weirdo copy protection on it...?
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:03 am 
 

My Mortal Throne looks like your newer variant (i. e. the non-emboldened text). I bought it new, and it even came with the typical Relapse sticker on the factory wrapping, so it's definitely legit, if this helps you.

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DeathfareDevil
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:16 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Variations between represses is common, you have a really recent one
And no dates and times aren't the norm but are pretty common.
You should add it to Discogs :nods:

I wonder if it has some weirdo copy protection on it...?


I'll check the copy protection tomorrow when I'm not on my dinky Chromebook. However, I'm trying to add it to discogs; I have no clue what those numbers are supposed to be categorized as. As I said there's a time and date, then next to that in ultra tiny font it says #94704. Next to that, even tinier, is IFPI LN08. Then a big 7232-6905-CD. On the discogs dropdown menu it gives options like "mastering SID code" and "matrix," etc. How would you categorize each of those codes?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:44 am 
 

Matrix - everything you see there
Mastering sid code - IFPI LN08
Mould sid code - will be pressed/stamped into the centre somewhere, it may not have one

http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

scroll down to 5.3
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-barcode.html

My copy came from Amazon and was possibly the first CD I ever bought online
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:59 am 
 

Righto, thanks, everything's been submitted, and as it's almost 5 in the morning and I'm delirious, it'll be amazing if I didn't screw something up. This is my first foray into discogs. I'll edit if necessary later.

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krakhuul wrote:
My Mortal Throne looks like your newer variant (i. e. the non-emboldened text). I bought it new, and it even came with the typical Relapse sticker on the factory wrapping, so it's definitely legit, if this helps you.


Good to know! I assume you've not had any problems with CD players reading the disc?

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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:31 am 
 

Nope, none so far. I think I've played it on 3 different players and it has always worked perfectly.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:00 am 
 

Does anyone here have the 2006 digipak reissue of Merciless' Unbound? Can someone please confirm to me if the disc is a pro-printed CD-R or not? I just opened a sealed copy and I'm pretty much baffled at this reissue being a CD-R... I mean what the fuck???
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:15 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
Does anyone here have the 2006 digipak reissue of Merciless' Unbound? Can someone please confirm to me if the disc is a pro-printed CD-R or not? I just opened a sealed copy and I'm pretty much baffled at this reissue being a CD-R... I mean what the fuck???

Well, after a couple of PM/emails I've come to the conclusion that someone gave me the old switcheroo on this one. What's pretty baffling is that everything is exactly as it should be (digipak with embossed lettering, full booklet) except for the CD being a duplicated CD-R.

I've already contacted the seller and will update this for others that may run into the same situation.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 1:40 pm 
 

Hey people, as you may all know, there is a band called Burzum that plays black metal. There is an album called Filosofem that was first issued in 1996. But there are 2 versions of it: A5 digipak and A5 digibook.
Which of them is the first press? Or were they released at the same time?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:21 pm 
 

Compare the two matrices, they have the same disc, or at least the same matrix.
It's likely they were release at the same time

The user there wrongdoze claims to have both versions
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:03 am 
 

Of The Fallen - Of The Fallen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-O ... 27d2ae5247

I need some experts advice, does it look like legit or not?
Never had any Wild Rags editions in collection, so I'm confused.
I mean no Wild Rags logo, nor on backsleeve neither on CD, strange matrix code.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:11 am 
 

It's too cheap and those images are really crappy, try hitting up a seller on Discogs for some info
Wild Rags definitely have bootlegs 'available'
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 6:49 am 
 

Already did, but thanks for answer.

Understand, that price is too cheap, but even more expensive ones on ebay looks the same.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-S- ... 5aec341f95
http://www.ebay.de/itm/OF-THE-FALLEN-VI ... 2a30b9f343

Even same seller sells it on discogs for 40usd, compared to 15 on ebay.
Investigation continues...

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I can clearly see an ifpi mould SID code on this one
http://www.ebay.de/itm/390509895573
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:50 pm 
 

I've updated the Discogs pages for the Merciless reissues, second and third albums, as to have relevant information regarding the (almost surely unofficial) CD-R press and the common identifiers. Haven't placed the ones for Unbound because I want to have a proper copy in front of my eyes when I do it. :p

@ dreadmeat - Also did a small update to the COK repress, as to best exhibit the SID nomenclature. ;)

PS: Damn, did Black Lodge fuck up the reissue of The Treasures Within... And thanks a lot to the people providing me the necessary info, you guys rock! ;)
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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:28 pm 
 

Hi I bought a copy of Saint Vitus Born too late from a seller affiliated to Amazon
I don't know if my copy is original or not because i know there are many fake editions of Saint Vitus albums..
the copy in my possess has
BARCODE 018861-0082-2 6 this is on the back cover..bar code is in red color
LABEL SST
CD on the front SST CD 082
on the surface of the cd inner code SSTCD082RE 2G 01 IFPI L239

Is original or bootleg?and if is bootleg which is the inner code number that identify that original copy?
thanks for answer

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:02 pm 
 

Titenis, too much text, too few pictures.

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:30 pm 
 

sorry i'm not able to post pics..

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:16 am 
 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0bi2mrwztja2w4h/20130928_135518.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nybez7h1fslprxl/20130928_135547.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw4ydbdr7h62af0/20130928_135334.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wn8rzlhvc5tp7gw/20130928_135612.jpg

Here some pics of my copy..i need a little help guys please

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Titenis
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:41 am 
 

I need some experts advice..thanks

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:20 am 
 

That's not an original [or as people call them a 'first press'] it has ifpi codes so was made after 1994, does it have a mould sid code too?
Is SST a legit label? it's possibly just a reissue or repress, take a look at Discogs, the one there looks like it needs some work and vital info is missing...
Those are some decent images, you just need someone to compare them to their own copy to see if the info [and fonts] match
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:31 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
That's not an original [or as people call them a 'first press'] it has ifpi codes so was made after 1994, does it have a mould sid code too?
Is SST a legit label? it's possibly just a reissue or repress, take a look at Discogs, the one there looks like it needs some work and vital info is missing...
Those are some decent images, you just need someone to compare them to their own copy to see if the info [and fonts] match


thank you for your answer..What is mould sid code?I've looked ad discogs and info are not completed..
I think i need someone who has an original copy in order to compare..I don't know if is possible..

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:38 am 
 

Click for a bit more info, it's not an original [you saw my comment above]
I'll ask for someone to update the Discogs page
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:53 am 
 

@dreadmeat
I've understand

my copy has

MASTERING SID CODE IFPI L239
MOULD SID CODE IFPI 4161

What do you think?is a counterfeit copy?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:47 pm 
 

A curious question for the residents in this thread. :p

Is it unusual for a CD to miss one the SID codes? Like, having a mastering code but not a mould code, or the other way around? I seem to find a CD without one of them every once in a while, but why does that happen? Anyone knows?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:22 pm 
 

come on guys i've posted pics of my copy..someone who has original copy that could answer to my request

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Does Opeth's first press versions of "Morningrise" and "My Arms, Your Hearse" have mirrored matrix?
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