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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:26 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Nuclear Assault looks totally different to mine
http://www.discogs.com/Nuclear-Assault-Game-Over-The-Plague/release/1841886
The font to me looks a bit odd on both of those CDs, usually it's not lots of little dots with spaces :scratch:
Your Nuclear Assault has a 1 stamped in the centre, correct?

Also just because something doesn't have ifpi codes doesn't make it a bootleg, they weren't introduced until about 1994 so anything older than that just won't have them.
Represses and reissues likely will though.


Yeah, correct, "1" stamped in the centre.

I didn't mean, that absent of ifpi should qualify it as bootleg, it was just additional information.

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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:33 pm 
 

As an addendum, there are a lot of bootlegs going around that don't have SID codes impressed. So unless you go for the actual font/size of the matrix you won't get a definitive answer.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:06 pm 
 

I'm having a lot of work trying to identify some Death albums supposedly released by Combat Records/Relativity Records. Does anyone know this version of Death's "Leprosy"? Same barcode, "Mastered By Nimbus" on the Matrix, but there are those IFPI codes... This version is not listed at discogs. But I found a similiar description on a "Human" cd (http://www.discogs.com/Death-Human/release/4427951). Are they legit releases?
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Marmer
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:13 am 
 

This Leprosy is a;so new for me. I have several CD releases of it. but none with these ifpi codes.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:26 am 
 

All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too.
Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already :nods:

drobowik re ifpi ok cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:02 pm 
 

Wanting to know if anyone has the 2008 Krisiun CD reissues of the following albums and are all three of the CD's solid black on the playing side of the disc and have the albums been remastered?

Conquerors of Armageddon
Ageless Venomous
Works of Carnage

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:38 pm 
 

Should I take a guess they are on Century Media and if you look at them under a light they are red?
It's pretty common and they seem to exist over at Discogs too, I have a few by different artists but not these.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:20 am 
 

They shouldn't be remastered given their release dates. CM reissued a lot of stuff in 2008 and then again in 2011, but it was mainly repressing mid to late 90s reissues under a different package. With that being said I know that the Moonspell albums got remastered so take that statement with a pinch of salt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:28 pm 
 

I'm sure most of them are remastered, they have bonus songs and videos too, I got all the Asphyx ones for a mate a while ago.
They came with 'death certificates' :nods:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:31 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too.
Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already :nods:

drobowik re ifpi ok cool


Thanks for the answer. I'll trust you, the cd doesn't look suspicious at all, I was just worried with the IFPI codes...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:17 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
All those Death albums have been repressed and have different versions too [multiple variations] they have mostly been reissued too.
Please do add it to Discogs if it's not there already :nods:

drobowik re ifpi ok cool


dimforest wrote:
Thanks for the answer. I'll trust you, the cd doesn't look suspicious at all, I was just worried with the IFPI codes...

Ok mate no worries, my copy that I just played has a DIDX matrix by the way
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:53 am 
 

Hello guys!
Just help me to know if the new remastered of "Engineering the dead" from Aborted on Listenable records, contains the original cover inside. I'll do a search on the net and discogs but doesn't help me.

This is the release:

http://shop.listenable.net/product.php?id_product=89

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:35 pm 
 

The Lions Den wrote:
Hello guys!
Just help me to know if the new remastered of "Engineering the dead" from Aborted on Listenable records, contains the original cover inside. I'll do a search on the net and discogs but doesn't help me.

This is the release:

http://shop.listenable.net/product.php?id_product=89

Thanks for the help!

Compare the two:
http://shop.listenable.net/img/p/89-121-thickbox.jpg
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/8/7/2/872.jpg?5638
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TheDefiniteArticle
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:42 pm 
 

Hi guys,

I just bought a copy of Cryptopsy's None So Vile. The information matches all the Discogs information for the Displeased Records pressing, and it's a CD rather than a CD-r, but the quality of the press seems really poor (i.e. track titles written as 'Crown of horns', 'Graves of the fathers' on the rear and back of the booklet rather than 'Crown of Horns', 'Graves of the Fathers', and the artwork on the CD and rear is really grainy), so naturally I'm a little worried about it being a bootleg. Is this standard for Displeased pressings, or does anyone have the Displeased pressing and can confirm this is the same for them?

I'd take pictures but I don't have a camera good enough to demonstrate the flaws better than text.

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japc
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:48 pm 
 

TheDefiniteArticle wrote:
Hi guys,

I just bought a copy of Cryptopsy's None So Vile. The information matches all the Discogs information for the Displeased Records pressing, and it's a CD rather than a CD-r, but the quality of the press seems really poor (i.e. track titles written as 'Crown of horns', 'Graves of the fathers' on the rear and back of the booklet rather than 'Crown of Horns', 'Graves of the Fathers', and the artwork on the CD and rear is really grainy), so naturally I'm a little worried about it being a bootleg.

The images from the Displeased reissue on discogs match what you describe (about the track titles at least):

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=398862
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Marmer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:24 pm 
 

These Displeased Re Issues are know for their Poorness.. Thin Cd. Thin Paper and when you have the original jewelcase also. You almost can bend it without breaking. Pure shit thats what it is..
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 1:47 pm 
 

Mine's the same. At least it features the original cover art, unlike the CM reissue of the debut... That cover art is hideous! :annoyed:
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:00 pm 
 

My copy of Blasphemy Made Flesh is like that [low quality artwork, dodgy re-branding and thin disc] how Displeased and Metal Mind get permission to reissue stuff is beyond me when they consistently release low quality goods :o

You see the original branding, barcode and logos etc have been blacked out/coloured in and the Displeased stuff just printed over the top.
The disc image is different too and the original catalogue number WAR009 is clearly visible on the last page of the booklet :nono:
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:02 pm 
 

Has anybody ever seen a bootleg of "Nothing Lasts Forever" by Poltergeist? I'd like to know how to recognize it before buying one... enough of bootlegs, during next days I'll post some pics here.

EDIT: Displeased reissues look really cheap, I agree!
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TheDefiniteArticle
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 11:53 am 
 

Okay, cheers guys. Not particularly happy with the CD but at least I haven't been had.

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pastafarian
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:51 pm 
 

OK so i got my copy of ingesting putridity by Visceral Disgorge today. And wtf is this shit?
i bought this from amazon directly. bootleg?

front looks fine
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the hell?
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:25 pm 
 

Printed on demand stuff sucks, there's some discussion further back in this thread about it.
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wellor
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:58 am 
 

King Diamond - Abigail RRD 9622 (AAD)
Made in USA by Disctronics Inc.

Booklet = RR 349622 (DDD) Is it european made booklet + US made disc?

The back cover looks like this:

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2454000

But without "CRC" tag. Also the printing on disc seems little bit "worn", could it be bootleg?

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The Lions Den
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:44 am 
 

Hi guys

please help me to know if exist a south american (Icarus or Scarecrow) Relapse licensed of this cd:

EXHUMED "ALL GUTS NO GLORY"


according to Discogs there isn't, but I find it in Icarus mailorder and I don't know if is on Icarus label.

Thank you so much.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:40 am 
 

The Lions Den wrote:
Hi guys

please help me to know if exist a south american (Icarus or Scarecrow) Relapse licensed of this cd:

EXHUMED "ALL GUTS NO GLORY"


according to Discogs there isn't, but I find it in Icarus mailorder and I don't know if is on Icarus label.

Thank you so much.

Discogs is a good source for checking details and informations and versions but its incomplete in some cases. Its better for You to ask Icarus label directly.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 1:56 pm 
 

As far as I heard, that kind of mixing was quite common for early Roadrunner/Roadracer releases.

About bootleg or not, impossible to tell without seeing it.





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King Diamond - Abigail RRD 9622 (AAD)
Made in USA by Disctronics Inc.

Booklet = RR 349622 (DDD) Is it european made booklet + US made disc?

The back cover looks like this:

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2454000

But without "CRC" tag. Also the printing on disc seems little bit "worn", could it be bootleg?

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The Lions Den
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:30 am 
 

Grief_Of_Adoration wrote:
Discogs is a good source for checking details and informations and versions but its incomplete in some cases. Its better for You to ask Icarus label directly.


Thanks Grief, the problem is when purchasing on Amazon.it or Amazon dealers, can come to your home a south american edition spite you're buying from Europe :grumble:
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:45 pm 
 

Hi,

Does anyone know anything about stormdisc.com? It's printed on the matrix area of a copy of Malveillance - Just Fuck Off CD I just received, and the site itself is 'under construction' and offers no suggestion about what they do. Alternatively, anyone else who's got a copy, could you confirm that it should be there?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:00 pm 
 

I checked out the forums at Discogs and there is no mention of it, you could start a thread in adding and updating so there is a record of it
But check this out:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100402034919/http://www.thestormgroup.com/Musician_Services/Home.html

The two entries using this label page I have asked for matrix info to be added, that user/submitter is fairly active.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Storm+Musician+Services
There may be other labels pages around too...

You guys need to add photos of your CDs for people to see without having to ask questions etc, make it easy for people to help you :nods:
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:02 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
You guys need to add photos of your CDs for people to see without having to ask questions etc, make it easy for people to help you :nods:


I would but my only camera is an iPod touch and you really can't see matrices on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:19 pm 
 

I meant anyone not specifically you

I know for a fact that some people come in here and don't bother posting or checking their copies because it's a pain in the arse [without photos] :roll:
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 2:20 pm 
 

pastafarian wrote:
OK so i got my copy of ingesting putridity by Visceral Disgorge today. And wtf is this shit?
i bought this from amazon directly. bootleg?




Hey, did you try to return this? Somehow I missed that the Absu Third Storm of Cythraul I ordered was one of these inane CD-R deals (I have my doubts that I missed it, actually, and I notice that the Absu discs are no longer listed as available, which seems a little odd for CD-R made to order, but I digress), and upon receiving it a few minutes ago, immediately went online to return it. There was an auto-generated message that said I don't even have to send it back and will get a refund in the standard 3-5 business days. Considering you've already opened yours, I'd give it a shot.

edit: actually I just PM'd as well. Hope he can do this before the return window closes.

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DeathfareDevil wrote:
pastafarian wrote:
OK so i got my copy of ingesting putridity by Visceral Disgorge today. And wtf is this shit?
i bought this from amazon directly. bootleg?




Hey, did you try to return this? Somehow I missed that the Absu Third Storm of Cythraul I ordered was one of these inane CD-R deals (I have my doubts that I missed it, actually, and I notice that the Absu discs are no longer listed as available, which seems a little odd for CD-R made to order, but I digress), and upon receiving it a few minutes ago, immediately went online to return it. There was an auto-generated message that said I don't even have to send it back and will get a refund in the standard 3-5 business days. Considering you've already opened yours, I'd give it a shot.

I must say Amazon isnt a good place for buying metal stuff since most of sellers cant provide details and information about what you need to know.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:57 pm 
 

If you're looking for original presses or special editions or what not, then no, obviously Amazon wouldn't be a good idea. I've bought a ton of metal from them and never had an issue til now. Their prices fluctuate so much that you can catch good deals. The s/t Absu CD, for instance, was something like 7.67 when I ordered what I thought was a reissue of Third Storm (of course now it's shot up to almost $18, which is insane). The latest reissue of Sepultura's Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation was $3 (now it's back up to $7.99 along with most of the others). With the order I received today, I also got the Blood Storm/Abazagorath split for $3. A lot of metal new releases are $9.99. For current mass marketed releases, Amazon has its merits.

However I can't vouch for the whole third party seller thing, as I almost never go that route. In fact I think that Blood Storm/Abazagorath was the first time. I'm not so much into the collecting/first press thing, though I obviously like reading about it, hence my presence in this thread to begin with.

edit: I've learned to trust this site's database, though, ha. When I ordered the Absu, I of course checked here for info on this mysterious 2013 Osmose reissue, and, finding nothing, ordered anyway.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:01 am 
 

To my surprise today I received an Icarus Argentina licensed Atheist - Piece of Time CD. The CD case and booklet are pretty top notch, good paper quality and the case is a standard jewel case. The CD itself isn't a CDR and I checked the version on Discogs to make sure it's legit and it is. I'm just a little peeved I didn't get the European edition but oh well, the one major gripe is the quality of the printing on the CD itself is poor enough when compared to other CD's plays fine and stuff and I'm happy it's at least legitimate but it is a lesson that I should be more wary about buying online. Also out of curiousity is it even legal to sell Icarus licensed stuff in Europe?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:56 am 
 

SadisticGratification wrote:
Also out of curiousity is it even legal to sell Icarus licensed stuff in Europe?

I don't know how it works for South American editions but Russian's have a printing saying "only to be sold within x places", something like that. So the Russian ones I know they shouldn't be sold outside because of the print on the actual insert, the rest that don't have it can be treated like an import I guess. You can buy Japanese editions worldwide can't you? That's also why I guess no one actually gives a crap about it, it's all very global nowadays.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:19 pm 
 

The only reason I'm keeping it is because I got them fairly cheap, but it's definitely a lesson learned. Ask what version the seller is selling and check it out on discogs.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 5:15 pm 
 

There are plenty of legitimate Argentinian made CD/records out there.

You can, and should, report sellers for selling the wrong version on Discogs.
That pisses me right off when they do that :nono:
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:34 am 
 

i've noticed that a few of my cd's don't have UPC code. Instead there is a number and "mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing INC. under license". What it means?

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rooster85 wrote:
i've noticed that a few of my cd's don't have UPC code. Instead there is a number and "mfd. for BMG Direct Marketing INC. under license". What it means?

I'd assume it's a licensed release to a certain country and that they slap the proper UPC code over the shrink wrap.
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