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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:50 am 
 

Remember the golden rule:

"If it looks too good to be true then it probably is!"
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:05 pm 
 

Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?

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I have a copy of Paramaecium's Exhumed of the Earth on R.E.X. Records. Discogs shows there 2 pressings on R.E.X Records. Mine is catalog 41005-2. Does anyone know if there is a bootleg version of this CD? The matrix number on my disc is DISC MFG, INC. (H) W.O. 101493-1P REX410052. Everythin matches the version shown in Discogs, even the font type of the matrix as seen in the pictures in Discogs, however the type of font used in this CD is very different from other CD's I have manufactured by DISC MFG, Inc. In all my other CD's the font is smaller and thinner. In this one the font is larger and bold, clearly seen in the pictures in Discogs. So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs? Will appreciate any comments.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:43 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
So, could this be a bootleg that made it into Discogs?
firstly mate, discogs is the perfect place to list bootlegs, look under the "unofficial" heading on the left hand side of the page.
i have five releases pressed by Disc Manufacturing, Inc. if you put up a photo of the matrix etc i'd be happy to compare them

when you guys ask for help in here post photos or scans, a picture paints a thousand words :nods:
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MariusBR wrote:
Is there any way to get help in here regarding my Odium vinyl? It`s "Under the realm of the stars"

I have no idea how to make sure this is okay to sell to anyone under the impression that they are getting the right press - if there exist more than one press of it..

It says "under the license from Nocturnal Art Productions" - I guess there was only a CD-version at first.
furthermore; "In Vision Musik!" has the worldwide distribution.

INV001/ECLIPSE 010 - is giving me chills when I my mind wanders to thinking this is the first one pressed, out of 200.

Is there any more relevant info I can give you to help me out here?

to have a clear conscience just provide them with all the info on the release so they can look it up, give them some really good clear photos or scans too, and don't label it "first press" or "original" if you aren't 100% sure.
can you put the runout info here? it's the text inscribed/pressed into the runout area of the record
have you looked on discogs, musik sammler, gemm, popsike etc?

also try to spell the title correctly :p
The Sad Realm Of The Stars / Under the realm of the stars
http://www.discogs.com/Odium-The-Sad-Realm-Of-The-Stars/release/2183500
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Odium/The_Sad_Realm_of_the_Stars/15927
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:57 pm 
 

This the link from Discogs with a picture of the disk where you can see the matrix number. This is the exact one I have.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3615416

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:55 am 
 

awesome, so it's not a bootleg then?
if you use the edit/discuss link you can comment and people who have it can get notified of your comment [if they have notifications enabled] you'll have to add it to your collection to get notified of their reply though.
also it was only added 5 months ago...
check out all the members who have it in their collections and look to see if they have many bootlegs in their collections or if they have submitted many/any bootlegs.
also check out the other releases of the same album under the history to read any discussions in there
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:18 am 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
I have a copy of Paramaecium's Exhumed of the Earth on R.E.X. Records. Discogs shows there 2 pressings on R.E.X Records. Mine is catalog 41005-2. Does anyone know if there is a bootleg version of this CD? ...

carnival_corpse wrote:
This the link from Discogs with a picture of the disk where you can see the matrix number. This is the exact one I have.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3615416


... Will appreciate any comments.


I don't know if a bootleg version exists or what the two different pressings are all about, but I can tell you that I have a copy of this CD that was purchased back when it was first released (from a shop that never sold bootlegs, as far as I'm aware), and it matches the other version listed at Discogs...

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2578677

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:22 am 
 

interesting, same manufacturer: Disc Manufacturing, Inc.
that text does look 'thinner' when you compare the two.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:08 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
interesting, same manufacturer: Disc Manufacturing, Inc.
that text does look 'thinner' when you compare the two.



Did some more reasearch and it seems its the real deal. Look at this other CD from DISC MFG, with almost the same type of font as the Paramaecium CD. Seems that they started using this other type of font in 1994, probably a different mfg plant?

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3416666

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:35 pm 
 

who knows, quite possibly a gear upgrade, that's about the time IFPI SID codes were introduced.
it really pisses me off that represses don't have a date they were pressed on them

i'll 100% have a look at mine here and compare them and post my results
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 pm 
 

i just tripped over this on amazon while looking at this The Pungent Stench Sessions - Dr. Heathen Scum of The Mentors With Pungent Stench album [that i've never heard of]

This product is manufactured on demand using CD-R recordable media.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:43 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:

What the...?!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:43 pm 
 

you can buy the album as mp3s too, i dread to think that they'd be using the mp3 files to burn the cd :scratch: :crash:
i almost want to buy one just to see what i'll get!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:46 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:


Whoa. That is unique...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:51 am 
 

i wasn't quite sure what to make of that when i read it, this from amazon too, not some shonky distro in mexico or something.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:39 pm 
 

Ouch more of this CD-R on demand from Amazon. Seems Amazon is offering quite a bit of CD-R on demand.

Link

http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Universe-Skullview/dp/B00003XB6Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1353209294&sr=1-2&keywords=Skullview

and goes on to explain about the process, what you get, and why it is beneficial to getting the music you want on CD-Rs.

"What are CD-R and DVD-R media?"
"CD-Rs and DVD-Rs (the "R" stands for "recordable") look like the discs you're used to and offer the same audio and image quality. This recordable media is used to manufacture titles on demand, as fully authorized by the content provider.
Through manufacturing on demand, CreateSpace, part of the Amazon.com group of companies, enables Amazon.com to offer music and video content that might not otherwise be available. Each disc comes fully packaged, with artwork, in a standard jewel case for audio and an Amaray case for video, although for reissued products the artwork may differ from the original.
CreateSpace works with many of the leading music labels, television networks, film studios, and other distributors to make these titles available to Amazon.com customers. All products are manufactured from original source materials (e.g., for audio products, uncompressed CD-quality audio).
By eliminating inventory, waste, and inefficiencies in the distribution system, on-demand manufacturing provides the added benefit of helping preserve the environment.
When shopping, you'll see CD-R or DVD-R on the product detail page for such products. Amazon.com's standard return policy applies to these purchases."

But you minus well just buy the MP3s and Burn Them.

Maybe i am just too damn old school, but i like the "real CD"

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:08 am 
 

I recently bought a collection of CD's and when looking through it I found a copy of Napalm Death's Peel Sessions on Dutch East Trading. Since I already have it, I started creating a listing on Ebay to sell it, but when I opened the case to check the disc condition I immediately noticed something strange. The material of the disc was not clear polycarbonate, but light green, similar to that color used in some CD cases. The matrix number matches exactly the one in my collection: "MANUFACTURED BY AMERICAN HELIX" *CD01301* W.O. # E30274-2 SFPDCD049

Does anyone have seen this before? It is the first time I see a colored disc, aside from by black polycarbonate Obituary Xecutioners Return. There is no information on Discogs nor The Metal Archives about this version.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:22 am 
 

a green hue is what burned discs look like, mastered ones are silver.
can you put up a scan or photos etc?

forget this cdr rubbish, i bet they're burned from mp3s too 8X
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:44 am 
 

CHONGeYeD wrote:
Amazon selling CD-Rs yada yada

Now this is some serious bullshit talk! It's interesting that this week I was reading that Amazon is part of a group of companies that have been charged with not paying their taxes, maybe they just want a new golden goose to milk for a while.

Fuck this shit!

carnival_corpse wrote:
I recently bought a collection of CD's and when looking through it I found a copy of Napalm Death's Peel Sessions on Dutch East Trading. Since I already have it, I started creating a listing on Ebay to sell it, but when I opened the case to check the disc condition I immediately noticed something strange. The material of the disc was not clear polycarbonate, but light green, similar to that color used in some CD cases. The matrix number matches exactly the one in my collection: "MANUFACTURED BY AMERICAN HELIX" *CD01301* W.O. # E30274-2 SFPDCD049

Does anyone have seen this before? It is the first time I see a colored disc, aside from by black polycarbonate Obituary Xecutioners Return. There is no information on Discogs nor The Metal Archives about this version.

A CD-R with the same matrix as the original?! Now that I'd like to see! Please post some pictures if you can.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:33 pm 
 

This product is manufactured on demand using CD-R recordable media.
did you guys not see this link? :roll:

can you guys check your Intronaut - Void cds GFR042
mine looks like a bootleg budget cdr but the printed side looks pro printed?!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:15 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:

Isn't that what we're commenting?! :scratch:
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:30 pm 
 

Dont know how to post pictures here. Can someone please explain?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:57 pm 
 

androdion ok cool :grin:

scans of my intronaut void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful
catalogue number - GFR042
barcode - 621617104228
matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603
printed - 5P80 1-2-1 0811010635-54

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:58 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Dont know how to post pictures here. Can someone please explain?

just host them somewhere like http://tinypic.com/ then put up links to the files
uploading images directly to the site was disabled recently
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:24 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
scans of my intronaut void disc, if anyone could compare theirs would be helpful

matrix - KJRY [logo] CDR UG 80E I441603

That's a CD-R man! The "matrix" gives it away, its reference is for a recordable CD with 80 minutes capacity.
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Pictures of the Napalm Death Peel Sessions CD

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:56 pm 
 

yeah it is aye, it looks quite different to other cdrs i have here though, maybe it's a promo?
the printed side looks good and the matrix looks like a properly mastered one but then it still has the printed text in the centre
why would anyone bother ripping this one off?

i'd be keen to find out some more about KJRY
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:19 pm 
 

re napalm death peel session cd
this is the version i have: http://www.discogs.com/Napalm-Death-The-Peel-Sessions/release/1259115
the green disc is a bit of a worry, it's highly likely that some arsehole has bootlegged it, maybe hit up their website/forum?
or it could be some ultra rare mispress...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:35 pm 
 

I doubt the Peel Sessions CD is a bootleg. The matrix is a perfect match to the version in my collection made with clear polycarbonate. In addition I bought this collection to a guy that bought msot of those CD's before 2000. I dont think bootlegging was much of an issue back then. I have not tried playing it yet, not sure if the green plastic will make any difference in the laser reflection pick up.

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i too have not seen a disc like that, i have a few of the black [actually red] discs though
it'd be interesting to see what it sounds like
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:41 pm 
 

Hey carnival_corpse could you wrap some spoiler tags around the post with the pictures please? It's breaking up the page's formatting (at least in a 19" screen). These are the tags:

(spoiler) (/spoiler) - except they're with square brackets

To be honest that's not the first time I've seen a CD like that. In fact my copy of After Forever's Decipher, which comes in a slipcase in all similar to the 2006 Deluxe Edition of Dissection's The Somberlain, is in fact a goldish green. In all identical to the images posted, with the clear markings of laser imprinting and a slight "bleed" to the printed side. I purchased my copy at the time the album came out in an airtight and completely trusted CD store from which I bought many many things over the years. In fact Discogs has photos of that edition.

Now why is my copy of Decipher of that colour??? Fuck me if I know... I'm pretty sure that I've also seen an edition of Decapitated's Nihility album in the same moulds though. Goldish green CD surface and everything else standard. If memory serves it was the German edition but it was too long ago to remember properly. My guess is that your CD is the real deal and one of these odd "coloured" editions.
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super ultra mega rare edition, you'd better send it here for me to test it to make sure :grin:
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dreadmeat wrote:
the green disc is a bit of a worry, it's highly likely that some arsehole has bootlegged it, maybe hit up their website/forum?

Not necessarily, I have a Six Feet Under CD, Graveyard Classics I think, where the playable side is blueish, and it's a original release, at least I don't think anyone would want to bootleg that. http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=649694
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people bootleg all kinds of non-rare stuff :boo:
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I'm hoping someone more familiar with the following couple of items can help me out. I bought Angel Dust Into the Dark Past and to Dust You Will Decay, used from Amazon. The Amazon seller didn't list anything special about them such as being rare or OOP(At the time I didn't know the rarity of these two CDs), the description more or less just covered the condition of the actual items.

I recieved the the items today, and I checked the condition first, which as described, where in very good shape. Now that I know how rare they are I have been researching them. I'm still unsure of a couple of things, which is why I'm posting this here.

I'll start with To Dust You Will Decay and between the picture comparisons, discogs listing, and musik-sammler I have no reason to suspect that this one isn't real but here are some details of it just in case:
The sides of the inlay say Angel Dust / To Dust You Will Decay with Disaster CD 10008 at the other end
The Cd has 11 tracks with the songs Flight to Russia and Dawn of the End being labeled as bonus
The Book has the lyrics of all the songs other then the two bonus and a band photo on the last page. The back page of the booklet is the same as the inlay.
The only numbers on the inner ring of the cd which I'm geussing is the matrix for this is 10008 P+O-1509-A 06-88

The Into the Dark Past I used the Metal Treasure comparisons of the back page and mine so far checks out with the original shown on that site. The sides say Angel Dust on one side with Scratch 880 534 CD on the other.
The Cd has 8 tracks and the book contains the lyrics for all and live photos on the back page showing each member.
The only number on the inner ring of the CD is Scratch 880 534-905 P+O-0567-A 7-86

If any of this stands out as a red flag, please let me know. I may put some pictures up later when I get some time in order to provide better detail.

Thanks to anyone who can provide some help with this.

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Daemonlord, I summon thee! :D

Now more seriously, I can't be of much help besides telling you that as far as I know only the original editions exist and all other "later pressings" are bootlegs. There are some famous bootlegs, I think Brazilian, which where made around the turn of the century and are practically identical.

My only advice is to follow the golden rule: "If it looks like a deal that's too good to be true then it probably is!"
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i'd like to see more images, this thread could be a great big catalogue of bootlegs and fakes complete with images :nods:
differences in fonts can be the only way to tell some fakes from the real deal so if you put up an image someone who has a copy can easily check for you
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Avanzada Metalica Bootlegs, are any known out there? Im interested in seeing pictures of the matrix number of Excruciating Pain from Avanzada Metalica. I have a sealed copy Im pretty sure is a bootleg, but I want to confirm comparing to a known original.

Will appreciate if someone can post pictures.

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