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Point taken! ;)
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Is True katatonia "dance of december souls" HELLION PRESS LP came several defective copies??? also happened the same case with MARDUK "Those of the unlight" OSMOSE FIRST PRESS LP???

can someone tell me information or if you also have a copy of the defective vinyl KATATONIA???

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Does anyone know if there was a Chinese-specific pressing of Wuthering Heights' To Travel for Evermore with the Jap bonus track? I ordered a copy from Amazon marketplace which was listed under the Japanese edition, and one with a Chinese-language obi came instead. I'm not saying I don't find it reasonable for them to have their own legitimate version for some reason, but naturally being China I want to double check. I can't find any clear info about it through Google either really; most of the results lead to the Korean version. I don't see any obvious label insignias on the obi or the visible parts of the CD case to check that way either. This is the clearest info I could find; it has the obi that mine has at least, but it mentions the Japanese label. Maybe they just printed a Chinese version too. http://entertainment.kmart.com/to-trave ... 8006802827
The vendor I bought it from insists that the people they're buying it from say that it's the Japanese version too, so it is at least a little curious.

I've not opened it yet because it came new; I just thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had a clearer answer.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 9:29 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
Need help with Solstice CDs i just got.

1. Solstice / Solstice - Century Media US press, no ipfi, but font on matrix is different than on discogs foto (look to 5 in the end), booklet is only 4 pages

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2. Solstice / Pray
CD looks different that on discogs, here are fotos as well
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What do you think about it?



These bootlegs are getting harder and harder to differentiate. The first one with the DIDX matrix is the easier one to differentiate because of the obvious difference in the crosshairs. On the other I had to pull my original to compare the font quality. In yours the font is more grainy, but in overall looks very similar (I had to use a magnifying glass to see the difference). Also, that Solstice Pray CD should have IFPI codes which I don't see on yours.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 23, 2014 10:26 pm 
 

I recently bought Cro-Mags Best Wishes, but the matrix number is different than the one listed in Discogs. Mine is MADE BY DISCTRONICS (H) W.O. 11725-1 PCD1274. The matrix font is a little dubious when I compare it with other DISCTRONICS matrices I have from other CD's from around the same time. I will appreciate if someone with this CD and same matrix can post a close picture of the matrix number.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:16 am 
 

manuels_hammer wrote:
Is True katatonia "dance of december souls" HELLION PRESS LP came several defective copies??? also happened the same case with MARDUK "Those of the unlight" OSMOSE FIRST PRESS LP???

can someone tell me information or if you also have a copy of the defective vinyl KATATONIA???

thanks anyway

Never heared about that. My copy is of decent quality - and there are just 500, so it sounds like a rumour to me. Have seen a couple of copies - all have been the way they should.
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teh_Foxx0rz wrote:
Does anyone know if there was a Chinese-specific pressing of Wuthering Heights' To Travel for Evermore with the Jap bonus track? I ordered a copy from Amazon marketplace which was listed under the Japanese edition, and one with a Chinese-language obi came instead. I'm not saying I don't find it reasonable for them to have their own legitimate version for some reason, but naturally being China I want to double check. I can't find any clear info about it through Google either really; most of the results lead to the Korean version. I don't see any obvious label insignias on the obi or the visible parts of the CD case to check that way either. This is the clearest info I could find; it has the obi that mine has at least, but it mentions the Japanese label. Maybe they just printed a Chinese version too. http://entertainment.kmart.com/to-travel-for-evermore/4988006802827
The vendor I bought it from insists that the people they're buying it from say that it's the Japanese version too, so it is at least a little curious.

I've not opened it yet because it came new; I just thought I'd ask here to see if anyone had a clearer answer.

Return it for a full refund, its not as advertised, if it's advertised as the Japanese version that's what you should get.
Amazon take false advertising quite seriously, it's a pet hate of mine too when I buy xxx and I get xxy instead :annoyed:

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carnival_corpse wrote:
I recently bought Cro-Mags Best Wishes, but the matrix number is different than the one listed in Discogs. Mine is MADE BY DISCTRONICS (H) W.O. 11725-1 PCD1274. The matrix font is a little dubious when I compare it with other DISCTRONICS matrices I have from other CD's from around the same time. I will appreciate if someone with this CD and same matrix can post a close picture of the matrix number.
Right, immediately I think 'that doesn't look right' because that's not how Disctronics usually have their matrix layout, that looks like Disc Mfg / Disctronics and if you say the font looks a bit off I'd be highly suspicious.
Can we get a photo or scan of yours?

http://www.discogs.com/label/332658-Disc-Manufacturing-Inc
http://www.discogs.com/label/489528-Disctronics-H

This album came out in 1989 so it's possible they kept part of the old name...
Where did it come from?

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Quixote Corporation, a Chicago based parent company with two plants, one in Anaheim, California and the other in Huntsville, Alabama.
The 2 plants were acquired in full on April 30, 1990 from Disctronics Manufacturing, Inc. and the name was changed to Disc Manufacturing, Inc.


http://www.discogs.com/Cro-Mags-Best-Wishes/release/459159
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:19 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Return it for a full refund, its not as advertised, if it's advertised as the Japanese version that's what you should get.
Amazon take false advertising quite seriously, it's a pet hate of mine too when I buy xxx and I get xxy instead :annoyed:

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Yeah that's the right image, and okay then, it's good to get reinforcement that that's what I should do :P
So are you saying I should report it to Amazon as well or would just leaving appropriate feedback be enough?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:24 am 
 

Firstly tell the seller you are not happy and that you believed you were getting the Japanese version as advertised, see what they say.
Definitely tell Amazon but you can expect an automated response, the seller will likely get one too...
See what the seller does before placing feedback, if they refund you and 'make good' then leave feedback that SAYS THIS, just because everyone is selling the other version but advertising it as Japanese doesn't make it ok.

Also if you can [I know it's sealed] add it to Discogs
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:49 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Firstly tell the seller you are not happy and that you believed you were getting the Japanese version as advertised, see what they say.
Definitely tell Amazon but you can expect an automated response, the seller will likely get one too...
See what the seller does before placing feedback, if they refund you and 'make good' then leave feedback that SAYS THIS, just because everyone is selling the other version but advertising it as Japanese doesn't make it ok.

Also if you can [I know it's sealed] add it to Discogs

We did send a response asking if they had the Japanese version, and they said that they're only getting Japanese versions according to the people they're getting it from. I suppose this is the time to get the relevant images and show them what's happening. Probably why it was so cheap compared to usual Jap versions. :nono: I've returned something to them before and it went smoothly at least. And yeah if things do go smoothly then I would say that, don't worry :P

And very well, I'll add as much as I can.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:57 am 
 

You could always ask them if they would mind if you opened it to inspect the disc, no harm asking, then you can scan everything and upload all the info with matrix data etc to Discogs
I think that's very slack of them to not check before advertising/selling them, they are just trying to get away with it :nono:

What did you return last time and why? they may do this a lot and need a good boot up the arse to sort them out.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:19 am 
 

Considering I don't have much experience with this kind of stuff I'd just like to keep things simple for now. The listing is up at least. I've managed to glean more information than it first seemed from the packaging too, like barcode info and finally a label name and stuff.
Yeah, who knows.

What I returned last time seemed to be entirely my fault not helped by Amazon listings not being very explicit; there seem to be two common issues of Dark Moor's Gates of Oblivion and I picked the cheaper one and didn't think to check the label listed (though to be fair that usually just says "import" which is very helpful) and it happened to be a digipak version from "End of the Light" with two bonus tracks that I didn't want (one was Flying from their debut...) and the labels in the listings agreed. Though I was even less experienced then so didn't even think to add it to Discogs unfortunately.

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What about this release of Nightwish-wishmaster, please take a look the the SPINEFARM logo is very weird...
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You reckon? I'd say if that's a bootleg it's masterfully done
It looks like you may have this version [see the images] http://www.discogs.com/Nightwish-Wishmaster/release/3986149
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dreadmeat wrote:
You reckon? I'd say if that's a bootleg it's masterfully done
It looks like you may have this version [see the images] http://www.discogs.com/Nightwish-Wishmaster/release/3986149


That release at discogs.com is under revision because of the "weird" Spinefarm logo and the printing of the cd itself...

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"it was bought in Russia long time ago" :roll:

I agree, the logo does look weird, but it's not necessarily a bootleg.
The matrix font looks correct, the booklet has no fold in it? that's odd.
Has anyone emailed the band or label etc have a poke around on Ebay and see what shows up
A missing mould SID code doesn't mean it's a fake either...
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dreadmeat wrote:
"it was bought in Russia long time ago" :roll:

I agree, the logo does look weird, but it's not necessarily a bootleg.
The matrix font looks correct, the booklet has no fold in it? that's odd.
Has anyone emailed the band or label etc have a poke around on Ebay and see what shows up
A missing mould SID code doesn't mean it's a fake either...


I´ve emailed to Spinerfam to see if they can help me.
Please take a look at this pages:
http://www.felony.ch/night-collection/boas.html
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Agree with dreadmeat, if Nightwish is bootleg, it is perfectly done

I have that one, logo on mine looks differently
Also I have promo version and on promo logo looks also differently
And on limited version with lenticular cover, logo looks also differently
All CDs have mould SID code.

Maybe you have kind of mispress?
Because matrix number looks too good for bootleg.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:08 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
carnival_corpse wrote:
I recently bought Cro-Mags Best Wishes, but the matrix number is different than the one listed in Discogs. Mine is MADE BY DISCTRONICS (H) W.O. 11725-1 PCD1274. The matrix font is a little dubious when I compare it with other DISCTRONICS matrices I have from other CD's from around the same time. I will appreciate if someone with this CD and same matrix can post a close picture of the matrix number.
Right, immediately I think 'that doesn't look right' because that's not how Disctronics usually have their matrix layout, that looks like Disc Mfg / Disctronics and if you say the font looks a bit off I'd be highly suspicious.
Can we get a photo or scan of yours?

http://www.discogs.com/label/332658-Disc-Manufacturing-Inc
http://www.discogs.com/label/489528-Disctronics-H

This album came out in 1989 so it's possible they kept part of the old name...
Where did it come from?

Quote:
Quixote Corporation, a Chicago based parent company with two plants, one in Anaheim, California and the other in Huntsville, Alabama.
The 2 plants were acquired in full on April 30, 1990 from Disctronics Manufacturing, Inc. and the name was changed to Disc Manufacturing, Inc.


http://www.discogs.com/Cro-Mags-Best-Wishes/release/459159


Thanks for the links dread. It seems the first pressings of Best Wishes were printed at Disctronics with a slightly different font than the used later. In your link I was able to find other releases with the same type of font. Also, after rechecking my collection I found Obituary's Slowly We Rot was manufactured at Disctronics and uses the same font. I bought it to a collector along with other rarities, which In already confirmed are all originals.
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I also have that version of Wishmaster and there are a few mistakes on the one listed above:

- There are indeed no folding pages in the middle of the booklet, but not only that but the pictures that should be there are nowhere to be seen. I have a different press, on Spinefarm/XIII Bis Records from the Wish Box, and though it hasn't got folding pages in the central part it does feature the entire artwork. There are also obvious mistakes in the artwork where the lyrics are printed. The image of the boy writing a poem is where "Dead Boy's Poem" is printed, and like that there are more inconsistencies.

- There are no "thank you" notes at the end of the booklet, as there are on both versions I have.

- The printing on the CD seems to be too dark. It's bright orange but on both pictures it seems more like red orange.

- The logo is clearly wrong on the CD. I mean, compare it to the logo printed on the back insert. Speaking of the back insert, take a peek at the label information on the lower part. It reads " (c) & (p) Spinefarm Records, 2000" but the "&" character is... incomplete?!

As much as the matrix looks legit there are just too many errors on that one to ignore it. Very blatant errors actually!
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what about this? no mould side code too...look at the back cover says "spinfarm" instead of "spinefarm"
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Spinfarm is a legitimate label / entity
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:25 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Spinfarm is a legitimate label / entity

But it isn't based on Helsinki is it?! :p

Can't help you there, I've got the limited 2CD edition on that one. But apart from from the "spinfarm" thingy I don't see any differences.
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androdion wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
Spinfarm is a legitimate label / entity

But it isn't based on Helsinki is it?! :p

Can't help you there, I've got the limited 2CD edition on that one. But apart from from the "spinfarm" thingy I don't see any differences.

In your 2 CD version of century child, is The mould sid code present or is missing like in my copy? If in a release The mould sid code is missing does it mean that is a fake/counterfeit edition?

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dreadmeat wrote:
Spinfarm is a legitimate label / entity

"Spin-farm Oy" is a label but Spinfarm does not existe, or am i wrong?

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Dio_For_Ever wrote:
In your 2 CD version of century child, is The mould sid code present or is missing like in my copy? If in a release The mould sid code is missing does it mean that is a fake/counterfeit edition?

It's present, but I'm not sure if I can answer your question about its absence...
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Spinefarm Records, not Spinfarm records.

I remember I have Century Child LTD edition bootleg, but mine matrix definitely looked much worse.
Here is mine pictures http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=5044560 , unfortunately no picture of matrix code.
Cannot make it right now.

Also I have that 1cd edition, but can compare with mine at the end of the week.

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I have the original version though, and it's really easy to call that bootleg out. The 2CD limited edition has a download code in embossed golden letters on a white strip on the right of the "visit the official Nightwish site for hidden tracks" text. In that pic you just have a rectangle with blank (purple) space. There's also no tracklist for the second CD listed on the back.

Gosh, I bought that thing 12 years ago already?! I'm getting old... :roll:
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There are exist version without download code also.

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One CD only version though. The limited version with bonus disc has the download code.

Unless you think that rectangle is really blank on the second link, it's not. Just poor contrast on the photo.

http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=514750
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=3186579
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Info from notes ?
Unlike <a href="http://www.discogs.com/Nightwish-Century-Child/release/514750">the other limited special edition</a>, this one has no download code on the booklet but only an empty white box right where the code should be.

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Serves me right for not reading things. :p

Anyway, I find it highly unlikely that a limited 2 disc first edition would be repressed like that, mainly because the first limited press is just that, limited. The info on it says it's limited to 20.000 copies, which would indicate that after those had been exhausted they'd just repress it in a single CD format with different inserts to reflect a standard release. So like I said, and looking closer at it now, I find it very unlikely that a limited first press would get... a second press! It's the same way when an album is first released as a limited digipak. When there are no more copies it gets printed on a regular jewel case edition.

Unless someone can attest to the veracity of that second version of the limited first press, I'm really not buying into it. It's also weird that there's a difference in colour between the prints on the bonus disc. I don't know, but this seems really awkward to be honest.
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drobowik wrote:
Spinefarm Records, not Spinfarm records.

I remember I have Century Child LTD edition bootleg, but mine matrix definitely looked much worse.
Here is mine pictures http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=5044560 , unfortunately no picture of matrix code.
Cannot make it right now.

Also I have that 1cd edition, but can compare with mine at the end of the week.


I´ll be waiting that you can compare my photos with your copy.

I´ve found a photo of the inner circle on ebay of "century child" (spi149cd), you´ll see that Cd print (light blue ink) reaches the edge of the hole:
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in my copy the cd print doesn´t reach the edge of the hole:
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Yeah, top photo is how it is.
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Correct, Spinfarm OY etc are legit, I think OY is the Finnish equivalent of LTD or INC
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That doesn't preclude it still being a typo for whatever reason though, especially as it has the Spinefarm logo still there.
There is something like this, but that seems to distinguish "Spin-Farm OY" from Spinefarm Records. That CD case definitely said "spinfarm records".
Also, try out http://www.spinfarm.fi and see where that gets you...

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Hirax - The New Age Of Terror
http://www.discogs.com/Hirax-The-New-Age-Of-Terror/master/126552

We have multiple different versions of this, my copy came from Ireland and has a bonus DVD
http://www.discogs.com/Hirax-The-New-Age-Of-Terror/release/2103020
There is another copy with no catalogue number and a very plain matrix A416-11, does anyone have this one?
This is a photo of the one in question, I can get better images tomorrow, it's just a CD, no DVD.

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travisvid
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:26 pm 
 

Guys I have a question, "repress" versions are good, pirate or bootleg, is bad or good?

I just buy Theli by Therion, $30 bucks and I think to throw this over the trash....

Is this version.....

http://www.discogs.com/Therion-Theli/release/2378458

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 2:29 pm 
 

What was it advertised as? an original should be exactly that, if the seller has made an error, tell them, be nice, and see what they say.
That album isn't rare or valuable [or good...?] why would you pay $30 for it?
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