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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:34 am 
 

androdion wrote:
Dread, would you like to do the honours (even more considering I have no idea how to change it to "unofficial")?
have a look under the format tags in the dropdown menu mate
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 6:00 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
androdion wrote:
Dread, would you like to do the honours (even more considering I have no idea how to change it to "unofficial")?
have a look under the format tags in the dropdown menu mate

I dun it! ;)

Totally unrelated, but is there a way to neutralize the smell of tobacco smoke on a paper booklet? I bought a second hand CD and the smell is so intense in the inserts/booklet/slipcase that the smell passes itself to the plastic jewel cases stored right next to it. No joke! The slipcase is even brown on the inside. Talk about a fucking chimney...

I think I may have to buy another copy of the album purely because of that. Oh yeah, I have allergic rhinitis. :(
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:57 am 
 

Get a deioniser, they are pretty cheap, also odour eaters for shoes should suck out some stink.
We got a deioniser for the house years ago when my family had dogs, it was a plug in unit and was about $30
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:48 pm 
 

Does anyone know if some Marquee Records reissues are bootlegs? I'm interested in buying their re-release of Virus Pray For War/Force Recon, but I can't find any information from the band themselves in favour of it or against it. The re-release was just last year, but I would have thought the band would mention it if it were legitimate. Likewise, they did a Gammacide reissue and I haven't heard anything from the band about it. I have the 2005 reissue, which is legitimate, but I'm not sure about this newer one.

Also, has anyone bought the 2013/2014 reissues of the first two Attomica albums? I received them recently, and the sound seems off for the first two songs on the debut. I'm not sure if these releases are legitimate either, since I haven't really heard much news about these reissues occurring.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:22 pm 
 

I think that Marquee is fairly known for putting out licensed Brazilian editions of European/US labels, or at least that's the idea I have of them. If those reissues are official or not I can't tell you as I have no knowledge on that matter.
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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:09 pm 
 

Is something like this a boot?

http://www.discogs.com/Megadeth-Killing ... se/5291983
http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/24502

I have the same matrix code.

I suppose if it exists on both places, I should be fine?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:44 pm 
 

That really needs some scans, it's not even against the rules to not include them can you believe :nono: :???:
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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:01 pm 
 

Ill put up a scan asap (about 15 minutes) of the disc

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:06 pm 
 

TheDarkHarvest wrote:
Ill put up a scan asap (about 15 minutes) of the disc
Ok, I have this one by the way: http://www.discogs.com/Megadeth-Killing-Is-My-Business-And-Business-Is-Good/release/460286
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:20 pm 
 

http://imgur.com/PIhOhLI

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:25 pm 
 

I don't know how they got Japan when it clearly says Combat/Relativity Records on it
Grab yourself a copy of The Gimp so you can rotate and crop stuff http://www.gimp.org/ :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:26 pm 
 

I was confused by that too, but what do you think? To me it looks good and I think I remember reading on here "You can't fake old" and the booklet is definitely old.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:29 pm 
 

What I think is this: it's not Japanese, but who knows what was originally submitted...
You need to include a rear cover scan at least too mate.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:33 pm 
 

http://imgur.com/AYW7M5U

Its a little cut off just due to the scanner

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:39 pm 
 

http://imgur.com/aBHhqlq
http://imgur.com/Ui0VP7h

And now the booklet.

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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:49 pm 
 

So any thoughts?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:32 am 
 

Submit it as a new release and include the scans, I'd redo that rear cover though, the flaps are cut off.
You can't win with these man, really, there are dozens or represses and reissues and multiple versions in multiple countries etc :thumbsup:
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:30 pm 
 

TheDarkHarvest, look like it is yours
http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=2179580
And CD looks original for me.

Agree with Dreadmeat, this is not Japanese version. Some early Combat releases was manufactured in Japan and on CD stated "Made in Japan".
For example I have Mercyful Fate - Don't Break The Oath, issued by Combat, but made in Japan, it looks exactly that way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:13 pm 
 

Thanks so fucking much man! I don't know how I missed that haha.

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Pathod
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:35 pm 
 

I got "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" in Trondheim, Norway, the CD was sealed, but what caught my attention is that the artwork is kinda blurry, and doesn't seem sharp as in the pictures I found on the internet. The matrix says "manufactured by optimal media gmbh A965440-01" and has two IFPI codes, one being "L571" and the other being "9701". The disc is the black one with three faces, but it doesn't have the "compact disc" logo that I usually find on CDs. It all seems legit except the fact that the artwork doesn't seem very sharp (the booklet has lyrics and everything though). Can someone recognize if this is a legit press? I will appreciate all help!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:44 pm 
 

The "compact disc" logo doesn't mean a thing, I think the manufacturers have to pay extra to use it too.
If the thing has IFPI SID codes then it's post 1994 at least, it's probably just a repress or a reissue
A CD sealing machine is pretty easy to find too by the way
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:07 pm 
 

When I google the matrix, it links me directly to this one http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Myster ... se/3743402, but the IFPI codes don't match. My CD looks like this (http://i.imgur.com/df3Q4mp.jpg), while on the pics I saw it has a silver space near the end of the CD. Is there any other way that I can figure out if this is a legit press?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:17 pm 
 

Pathod wrote:
I got "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" in Trondheim, Norway, the CD was sealed, but what caught my attention is that the artwork is kinda blurry, and doesn't seem sharp as in the pictures I found on the internet. The matrix says "manufactured by optimal media gmbh A965440-01" and has two IFPI codes, one being "L571" and the other being "9701". The disc is the black one with three faces, but it doesn't have the "compact disc" logo that I usually find on CDs. It all seems legit except the fact that the artwork doesn't seem very sharp (the booklet has lyrics and everything though). Can someone recognize if this is a legit press? I will appreciate all help!

Pathod wrote:
When I google the matrix, it links me directly to this one http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Myster ... se/3743402, but the IFPI codes don't match. My CD looks like this (http://i.imgur.com/df3Q4mp.jpg), while on the pics I saw it has a silver space near the end of the CD. Is there any other way that I can figure out if this is a legit press?
Those matrices are completely different and need submitting separately.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:22 pm 
 

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Those matrices are completely different and need submitting separately.


I don't understand, on the Discogs page under "Matrix/Runout ((Version 2))" is written the matrix from my CD, I didn't get the part about separate submitting (sorry I'm new here). Can you explain more (and if you have any tips about how I can check if this is a good copy)?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:24 pm 
 

Take a look at it now, I fixed it up.
Also check out the notes [history]

http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Mysteriis-Dom-Sathanas/release/3743402

Two totally different manufacturers: Dicentia and Optimal Media gmbh

I have this one by the way
http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Mysteriis-Dom-Sathanas/release/2452817
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:31 pm 
 

The notes are identical in my booklet, but what you wrote means the matrix doesn't match (and neither do the IFPI codes). So this is probably a bootleg?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:37 pm 
 

If I was you I'd submit your copy as a new release and include the full matrix info and scans then post a link in here and I'll have a look at it.
That release is a dire mess and desperately needs fixing up, I found someone who copied and pasted matrix info between releases and messed it all up!

:grr: :nono: :(
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:50 pm 
 

I will do it tomorrow, then I will post the link, but I have no idea which country is this release from. I don't have a scanner, so I will try to take pictures with a good camera and I will write down the matrix and codes and everything. It seems someone is selling a copy from Russia with the same matrix as mine (the gmbh one), so it might be legit and not a pirated copy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:54 pm 
 

The country is the country of the label.
Just make sure everything matches what your copy says, when you copy to draft it'll retain the info from the release it was copied from, very important you update that info.
That includes credits and stuff too, as on release is the golden rule :thumbsup:

It's about time this got fixed up :nods:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:06 pm 
 

Also, http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Myster ... se/4656166 this one seems to be incorrect too? If it's Japanese, it shouldn't have gmbh and Dicentia written? Anyway, thanks for the info, I will post the link here tomorrow with everything written down, just one question, gmbh is German right?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:13 pm 
 

Pathod wrote:
Also, http://www.discogs.com/Mayhem-De-Myster ... se/4656166 this one seems to be incorrect too? If it's Japanese, it shouldn't have gmbh and Dicentia written? Anyway, thanks for the info, I will post the link here tomorrow with everything written down, just one question, gmbh is German right?
Look at the top right where it says Edit Release that's where you can view the history and all the edits, and my comments.
The country is always the country of the label and/or the country it was released in, not the country of manufacture, but yes that looks very wrong and also yes gmbh is pretty much the German version of LTD or INC. [roughly]

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:34 pm 
 

Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas ID and clean up topic
http://www.discogs.com/groups/topic/384503

What a mess! can anyone lend a hand, and instead of just telling me and leaving it fix it up yourselves :nods:
Feel free to post in here and in the Discogs group discussion too though, it's nice to know what's going on.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:11 pm 
 

That is truly a mess. I added one of those, from a recent release (who is pressing DSP releases nowadays anyway?), and now I'm not even sure if that's the pressing I have. I will not meddle again.
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japc wrote:
That is truly a mess. I added one of those, from a recent release (who is pressing DSP releases nowadays anyway?), and now I'm not even sure if that's the pressing I have. I will not meddle again.
ha ha yeah right ;)


Some egg went and copied a release with the wrong info and spread it all over the place :ugh:
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:53 pm 
 

Bootleg? Never seen such a strange early Spinefarm release matrix code.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151328907780?ru ... 26_rdc%3D1

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drobowik wrote:
Bootleg? Never seen such a strange early Spinefarm release matrix code.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151328907780


That doesn't look right at all, but you never know...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:27 pm 
 

Funny thing is, I already purchased that CD from him/her couple of months ago. It cost me 2 times cheaper then and when it arrived, I was quite suspicious about it.
So seller agreed to refund me money.
Now seller looking for new fools... for higher amount...

Dread, happy birthday! ;)

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drobowik wrote:
Funny thing is, I already purchased that CD from him/her couple of months ago. It cost me 2 times cheaper then and when it arrived, I was quite suspicious about it.
So seller agreed to refund me money.
Now seller looking for new fools... for higher amount...

Dread, happy birthday! ;)

Thanks mate!

Have you reported the listing?
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