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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:19 am 
 

Thanks for help! Will contact with him now.

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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:52 am 
 

God damn, I would have missed both of those. I would have thought they were good, but comparing them to the real deal it's noticeable. good boots XD

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:06 pm 
 

apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:49 am 
 

Shrinebuilder CD matrix, what do you guys have?
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Shrinebuilder/Shrinebuilder/253141
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:45 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:34 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
apexmusic at Discogs has had their account suspended.
They came up in conversation here previously too viewtopic.php?p=2394247#p2394247


So this topic works well in eliminating those who sells bootlegs! Cool!
I'll speak for myself, but yes!
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:26 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
You're not a member of our group? http://www.discogs.com/groups/6406


I was not, but joined 5 min ago

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:07 am 
 

Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
I have a different CD version here :scratch:
http://www.discogs.com/Diocletian-Doom-Cult/release/5892568

Matrix: IP003 8A03102-CD IFPI LT002
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LT002
Mould SID Code: IFPI TAR98

scan
http://t.co/jOm2VRykAG

this is the other version I have
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11
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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 2:31 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Any Diocletian - Doom Cult bootlegs around?
Matrix / Runout: http://www.mobineko.com (A16983K049 3015131) 9380A1
Mastering SID Code: IFPI LR48
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9W11


I have the same, bought it in March'2014 from russian distro, rest CDs from those purchase was legit. Probably a reissue?

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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:02 am 
 

A couple of years ago I got what I assume to be the original European pressing of Asphyx's Last One on Earth for fairy cheap. I'm basing my assumption as to its legitimacy on this Discogs listing: http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=598888, which is supposed to be the original European press. Now, my CD looks exactly the same, with the matrix font (spacing between characters & the characters themselves) being exactly spot on.

What I'd like to know is whether this listing truly is legitimate. And, my matrix is positioned slightly differently from the one on discogs in regards to the printed album art (as if it was just slightly moved in a clockwise direction along the circular "matrix space"; like I said, otherwise it looks completely the same). Should this be an issue? I think I read a couple of pages ago that matrix orientation (I think you guys call it as such) can differ between CDs actually pressed at the same plant. Can anyone confirm this?

EDIT: Yeah, the "moved matrix" that I'm talking about is re-positioned in the same way the Spiritual Healing matrix you discussed a couple of pages (page 27) back was. So, this shouldn't be an issue. Right?

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androdion
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:37 am 
 

Nope. Matrix orientation has nothing to do with bootlegging. If you found out that it had different spacing in the matrix then yeah, but the clockwise position is a non-issue. ;)
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:52 am 
 

Ha, thanks. Yeah, the matrix itself looks exactly like the one on Discogs. Guess I'm lucky, since it was a blind purchase.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:09 pm 
 

That Dureco matrix on discogs looks 100% legit.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:54 pm 
 

I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 5:29 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?

Well... duh Dread! :D
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Daemonlord
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:56 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
I hate to even ask but are there any Blind Illusion CD bootlegs that you guys know of?


Haha, yes - the Under One Flag stuff is notorious for boots pretty much throughout at least - not sure about Combat but likely the same. Metal Mind, probably not.

Legit font UOF style (you can just about make it out if you click & zoom) -
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 12:18 pm 
 

Hmmmmm there are some fairly cheap copies on Discogs :scratch:
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dreadmeat wrote:
Hmmmmm there are some fairly cheap copies on Discogs :scratch:

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:40 pm 
 

Voivod - Rrröööaaarrr Combat/Noise

Should be made in Japan in 1986.

Boot?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:47 am 
 

Maybe a silly question but what does it sound like? is it noticeably quieter than other newer CDs?

Also for tinypic you can add _t just before the file extension .jpg to give you a thumbnail

Code:
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Then you have to make it clickable [link it]
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:25 pm 
 

I don't have German edition to compare, but nothing wrong with sound for me.
And yes, it really noticeably quieter compared to newer CDs.
What does it mean?

And thanks for the hint about tinypic.

dreadmeat wrote:
Maybe a silly question but what does it sound like? is it noticeably quieter than other newer CDs?

Also for tinypic you can add _t just before the file extension .jpg to give you a thumbnail


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TheDarkHarvest
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:41 pm 
 

Please delete this if it isn't alright to ask this here.

I have a handful of cd's that I bought off of Craigslist and they only have the cd and booklet, so the back insert is missing (All legit copies thankfully). I have found every cd's back cover on discogs or similar sites. Do you guys have any clue how I would go about this? Every image is a different size, so I would have to edit every one and then the quality is also bad on a normal printer.

I thought I'd ask here because we are all collectors and therefore should have amassed some knowledge on stuff like this.

Again, I don't even know how any of you can help, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Anyone have a problem like this? If I can't fix it, it's alright because the most important part is there, but if I can fix I'd love to!

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:08 am 
 

TheDarkHarvest wrote:
Please delete this if it isn't alright to ask this here.

I have a handful of cd's that I bought off of Craigslist and they only have the cd and booklet, so the back insert is missing (All legit copies thankfully). I have found every cd's back cover on discogs or similar sites. Do you guys have any clue how I would go about this? Every image is a different size, so I would have to edit every one and then the quality is also bad on a normal printer.

I thought I'd ask here because we are all collectors and therefore should have amassed some knowledge on stuff like this.

Again, I don't even know how any of you can help, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Anyone have a problem like this? If I can't fix it, it's alright because the most important part is there, but if I can fix I'd love to!
What do you mean by 'found them', you printed them off?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:36 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
TheDarkHarvest wrote:
Please delete this if it isn't alright to ask this here.

I have a handful of cd's that I bought off of Craigslist and they only have the cd and booklet, so the back insert is missing (All legit copies thankfully). I have found every cd's back cover on discogs or similar sites. Do you guys have any clue how I would go about this? Every image is a different size, so I would have to edit every one and then the quality is also bad on a normal printer.

I thought I'd ask here because we are all collectors and therefore should have amassed some knowledge on stuff like this.

Again, I don't even know how any of you can help, but I thought I'd throw it out there. Anyone have a problem like this? If I can't fix it, it's alright because the most important part is there, but if I can fix I'd love to!
What do you mean by 'found them', you printed them off?



Yeah, I found high res pictures and printed them out. Why?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:46 am 
 

:( :nono: :|

If you ever sell or swap them please be 100% clear about what you have done.
I'll transplant these posts to the bootleg ID thread, not that they are bootlegs but still, you know?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:02 am 
 

Oh, I have no intention of selling haha.

I'm sorry, but the lack of a back insert really hit a tick of mine where I need everything to consider it complete.

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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:57 pm 
 

Hi to all!! who can help me to identify if these cd´s of the band "Kamelot" are official or bootleg? i´ve search on discogs.com and there are only bar codes:

# kamelot-siege perilous, noise records, barcode: 6-4459102972-1, catalogue: N 0297-2, matrix/runout: 5907 2
# kamelot-eternity, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 8-2310740802-5, catalogue: 82310-74080-2, matrix/runout: L388 9842 82310740802 D21204-01 A
# kamelot-karma, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 6-4459103452-7, catalogue: N 03452ux, matrix/runout: 17770 1

thanks in advance.

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AcidMind
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:45 am 
 

New qeez

1. Pestilence - Testimony of the ancients

foto of CD and matrix, ifpi 0772

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2. The Chasm - Conjuration Of The Spectral Empire by Witches Brews, it's stated on discogs that it's hand numbered, my copy have empty field for number, but no number. Matrix: 22570 - BREW005. No ifpi. Was there any copies like that?

P.S. Both from Discogs / Hammerheart ... yes, i know, i know :)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 4:12 pm 
 

^That Pestilence is definitely legit, typical Sonopress matrix.

As for The Chasm, it may be one of the "self bootlegged" copies that were made by the band after WB (rightfully) refused to give them more than their contracted number of copies.
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:26 pm 
 

Dio_For_Ever,

Any ifpi codes on Siege Perilous and Karma? If not, definitely bootlegs.

Eternity looks like original.

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Dio_For_Ever
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drobowik wrote:
Dio_For_Ever,

Any ifpi codes on Siege Perilous and Karma? If not, definitely bootlegs.

Eternity looks like original.


siege perilous: IFPI 9F02
karma: MFG BY CREST NATIONAL - CA E IFPI LF73

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 8:39 pm 
 

Then according to information all could be original.

Still cannot be completely sure without pictures of matrix.

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Dio_For_Ever wrote:
Hi to all!! who can help me to identify if these cd´s of the band "Kamelot" are official or bootleg? i´ve search on discogs.com and there are only bar codes:

# kamelot-siege perilous, noise records, barcode: 6-4459102972-1, catalogue: N 0297-2, matrix/runout: 5907 2
# kamelot-eternity, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 8-2310740802-5, catalogue: 82310-74080-2, matrix/runout: L388 9842 82310740802 D21204-01 A
# kamelot-karma, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 6-4459103452-7, catalogue: N 03452ux, matrix/runout: 17770 1

thanks in advance.
Those matrices look far too short, please post the entire thing including any ifpi sid codes, logos, mould stamps etc

And as above photos or scans are ideal :nods:
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dreadmeat wrote:
Dio_For_Ever wrote:
Hi to all!! who can help me to identify if these cd´s of the band "Kamelot" are official or bootleg? i´ve search on discogs.com and there are only bar codes:

# kamelot-siege perilous, noise records, barcode: 6-4459102972-1, catalogue: N 0297-2, matrix/runout: 5907 2
# kamelot-eternity, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 8-2310740802-5, catalogue: 82310-74080-2, matrix/runout: L388 9842 82310740802 D21204-01 A
# kamelot-karma, noise/sanctuary, barcode: 6-4459103452-7, catalogue: N 03452ux, matrix/runout: 17770 1

thanks in advance.
Those matrices look far too short, please post the entire thing including any ifpi sid codes, logos, mould stamps etc

And as above photos or scans are ideal :nods:


About the short matrix part. Is this in regard to just these cd's or as a general rule? I've got some that have short matrices like those, but are legitimate.

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A bit of both, usually CDs 'made' by big labels like Noise/Sanctuary etc have quite detailed matrices, but not always.
Take a look at your Hirax CDs for example... [self released] very easy to bootleg, no sid codes, simple font, not much info
I too have some legit CDs here with very minimal matrix info

The catalogue number or barcode in the matrix can be a good indicator though, usually matrix info won't just be this, it will often include it though.
I get really sketchy on CDs made under license in other countries or by the same company but in another country, eg xxxx having plants all over the world and it's cheaper to ship from China or Malaysia to say New Zealand than from Europe so they get made there, and probably duplicated and distributed 'under the table' and nobody knows.

There are some pretty gnarly documentaries out there on bootlegging and counterfeiting, they counterfeit prescription medicine... no joke!
You can buy fake pills on the shelf with all the seals and authenticity markings in place that look identical to the real thing but the pills don't even contain the medicine you're paying for.
Not so bad for paracetamol or multi-vitamins [unless cut with unsafe manufacturing by-products] but Cancer treatment medication?! :nono:

Watch the documentaries guys, they are an eye opener.
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dreadmeat wrote:
A bit of both, usually CDs 'made' by big labels like Noise/Sanctuary etc have quite detailed matrices, but not always.
Take a look at your Hirax CDs for example... [self released] very easy to bootleg, no sid codes, simple font, not much info
I too have some legit CDs here with very minimal matrix info

The catalogue number or barcode in the matrix can be a good indicator though, usually matrix info won't just be this, it will often include it though.
I get really sketchy on CDs made under license in other countries or by the same company but in another country, eg xxxx having plants all over the world and it's cheaper to ship from China or Malaysia to say New Zealand than from Europe so they get made there, and probably duplicated and distributed 'under the table' and nobody knows.

There are some pretty gnarly documentaries out there on bootlegging and counterfeiting, they counterfeit prescription medicine... no joke!
You can buy fake pills on the shelf with all the seals and authenticity markings in place that look identical to the real thing but the pills don't even contain the medicine you're paying for.
Not so bad for paracetamol or multi-vitamins [unless cut with unsafe manufacturing by-products] but Cancer treatment medication?! :nono:

Watch the documentaries guys, they are an eye opener.


But then cds like this
http://www.discogs.com/Megadeth-Killing ... se/2179580
http://www.discogs.com/Exodus-Bonded-By ... ase/688031

Are pretty much just the catalogue number...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:28 am 
 

It's a tough world being a collector of music. Having to worry about boots SUCKS.

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Like I said though mate "usually"
That Exodus is a good example actually, it has the cat # but some other stuff too

It's the world we live in man! ha ha ha :lol:
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dreadmeat wrote:
Like I said though mate "usually"
That Exodus is a good example actually, it has the cat # but some other stuff too

It's the world we live in man! ha ha ha :lol:



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Why didn't I choose snow globes or some shit!?

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