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drobowik
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:48 pm 
 

So here it is - Ark - Burn The Sun
That one was very tricky matrix code, my scanner wasn't able to scan it. Maybe too cheap scanner.
So I made couple of photos, I guess you can see, how it have to look like.


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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:18 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
So here it is - Ark - Burn The Sun
That one was very tricky matrix code, my scanner wasn't able to scan it. Maybe too cheap scanner.
So I made couple of photos, I guess you can see, how it have to look like.


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tell me if i am wrong, the matrix of your copy says: MICP-10236 1K
right?


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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 1:06 am 
 

Can anyone tell more about the Incubus "beyond the unkbown" bootleg from No Remorse? How is it different to this

http://www.discogs.com/Incubus-Beyond-T ... ase/951810

Maybe some of you got pictures of the bootleg?
Thanks.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:04 am 
 

Reversed matrix: MICP-10236- 1K'' V

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:36 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Reversed matrix: MICP-10236- 1K'' V


That was a response to me?
What about artwork differences?

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:40 pm 
 

Helvede I don't think that was for you man, that was in response to Dio_For_Ever about the matrix in this image
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:42 pm 
 

I just got one of these tapes, b&w paperwork and gold printing on the clear/grey tape.
Anyone know anything about it? evidently it is a bootleg

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:01 pm 
 

Got this Black Sabbath - Tyr not long time ago from one guy from Bulgaria.
Cat# EIRSACD1038

Jewel case was very cheap (probably changed), booklet smells for paint as it was just printed and matrix code looked also strange
But now looked on it again and I'm confused, could it be perfectly done bootleg or it is still original edition?

So what do you experts think?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:10 pm 
 

I wouldn't even remotely trust it given all the little clues you're presenting.
Cat # in the matrix may be an indicator, you'll have to find an original to compare it to.
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:24 pm 
 

Cat# in the matrix area definitely doesn't ring a bell for me in that case.
This matrix form is quite typical for EMI pressing plant in Swindon, I have quite much other releases from same plant, cat# form is same.

What I don't know, what is exact manufacturing year, on other releases used font is little bit different.
But really only little bit, it is possible, that plant just changed it.

Like you wrote, first I hadn't no trust either, but in case of just strange coincidences, I don't want to be unfair.

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:31 pm 
 

I don't know man, like I said I just wouldn't trust it all things considered.
It's not like it's worth anything though, but it's not the first time that's happened [bootleg of a common CD]
In fact if I was a bootlegger I'd do the common stuff not the rarities :roll:
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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:26 pm 
 

please help me with this one, IFPI is L139:
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:02 am 
 

http://www.discogs.com/Black-Sabbath-The-Eternal-Idol/release/815304

What's to know, it's just a reissue.
Good scans by the way, they should go on the Discogs page if you can spare the time :nods:

600 pixels wide 300 kb max
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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:59 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
http://www.discogs.com/Black-Sabbath-The-Eternal-Idol/release/815304

What's to know, it's just a reissue.
Good scans by the way, they should go on the Discogs page if you can spare the time :nods:

600 pixels wide 300 kb max


About that release is updated with the data from my copy, but i don´t know if my copy is legit...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:28 am 
 

GAS 0000336ESM is a distribution code I think
I don't remember the label that uses it though, could be BMG ?
This could easily just be a South American version, I have had a poke around a bit and Brazil turns up the most often in my various searches.

Does it have a Mould SID Code too or just a Mastering SID code?
IFPI L139 points all over the place too but Brazil comes up more than anything else.
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:15 pm 
 

Dio_For_Ever, about your Black Sabbath, I'm afraid 50/50 (official/bootleg)

I have not seen those original Black Sabbath reissues, so I can't be sure.

What I don't like, it is matrix code printed so near at the edge. And all the digits pressed to each other.
Again, this is wild guess, it could be easily official edition.

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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 1:25 pm 
 

Now I got pic of matrix of EIRSACD1038 from other seller, but I can't say I like it.

I need radiocarbon dating device :fuck:


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:14 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Now I got pic of matrix of EIRSACD1038 from other seller, but I can't say I like it.

I need radiocarbon dating device :fuck:


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Dude, that looks wrong!
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drobowik
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:20 pm 
 

dreadmeat, yep, I don't like it either. Matrix on mine looks much better.

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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:33 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
Now I got pic of matrix of EIRSACD1038 from other seller, but I can't say I like it.

I need radiocarbon dating device :fuck:


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I have this matrix of EIRSACD1038, please tell me that is not fake...

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chaossphere
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:51 am 
 

That one looks like a typical EMI disc.. there's a lot of shoddy looking reissues of Tyr floating around with butchered artwork and generic back cover layouts, they're ugly but legit.
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chaossphere
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:53 am 
 

That copy of The Eternal Idol looks a bit shady though, usually those Black Sabbath reissues have the country of manufacture stated somewhere on the disc. Plus the matrix looks generic and all the ones I have are made by Mayking or Disctronics.
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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:01 am 
 

chaossphere wrote:
That copy of The Eternal Idol looks a bit shady though, usually those Black Sabbath reissues have the country of manufacture stated somewhere on the disc. Plus the matrix looks generic and all the ones I have are made by Mayking or Disctronics.


the front of the cd:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:14 pm 
 

Can't see any issues.. can you post a pic of the artwork?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:40 pm 
 

I think that one looks fine too, this one doesn't though

drobowik wrote:
Now I got pic of matrix of EIRSACD1038 from other seller, but I can't say I like it.

I need radiocarbon dating device :fuck:


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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:54 pm 
 

chaossphere wrote:
Can't see any issues.. can you post a pic of the artwork?


here you are

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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:06 pm 
 

drobowik wrote:
dreadmeat, yep, I don't like it either. Matrix on mine looks much better.


Is the matrix of your copy as mine? still i don´t know if my copy is legit or no, mi English is not very good, i am confused.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:11 pm 
 

Dio_For_Ever your image [photo/scan] of your CD looks ok/good/not a bootleg
drobowik posted a photo of what looks like a bootleg
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Dio_For_Ever
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:17 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
Dio_For_Ever your image [photo/scan] of your CD looks ok/good/not a bootleg
drobowik posted a photo of what looks like a bootleg


Thanks a lot, sorry for any inconvenience caused...you know here in Argentina there are many counterfeits editions that most of them came from Russia, so i am looking for those in my collection so i can replace them with official ones.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:21 pm 
 

No inconvenience mate, that's why the thread exists! :nods:
South America has a well known and quite established bootleg 'market' itself, interesting you mention Russia though...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:01 am 
 

I've just been sorting through my CD collection and assigning the correct version on my collection page and I've come across a version of Gorgoroth - Incipit Satan that I cannot find anything on. It's a digipak with catalogue number BR0059 and with the same on the CD....it is gold CD so I'm guessing it's probably a bootleg but someone has gone to a great effort to making a good quality digipak... (everything else looks the same as the normal version, artwork etc.

Anyone got any info on this 'pressing'?
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I can't find any info on this anywhere, you're going to need to provide pictures or scans of it.
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Where have you looked?
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chaossphere
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Actually I found this:

http://wapapp.baidu.com/kudhxakfkubimqd ... 26b3c0c5ad


So yeah, it's either a Ukraine or Chinese bootleg, by the looks of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:11 pm 
 

Thanks for the digging - much appreciated, time to repurchase a legitimate copy.
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Can you submit that one you have to Discogs?
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I'll upload some photos here in a minute
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You have to submit them to Discogs yourself by the way, only the person who has it in their possession can submit a new release, but by all means share the photos in here [too].
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The lighting in my room is a bit rubbish but hopefully those photos will suffice - the catalogue number is on the bottom of each page of the booklet, on the spine and on the CD (both sides), but other than that, no mention whose pressed it.
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