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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:22 am 
 

@ krakhuul - Please repost your picture as it doesn't show up.

@ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:51 am 
 

I've changed it into two links, since the image seemed to show up on my computer only for some reason. Do you see it now?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:17 pm 
 

Still can't see the first image, it gives a "403 Forbidden" error... However that may be, do you mean those elliptic marks on the top left corner of the second picture?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:21 pm 
 

Yes, they're almost exactly the same on my Clandestine CD.

And both links lead to the same picture. I've uploaded two as backup :D

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:26 pm 
 

Weird stuff. Are those marks just a different shade of grey (let's call it like that), are they deep grooves or embossed? Do you notice any type of distortion in the sound when you play songs that are pressed in that area of the disc?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:38 pm 
 

Yup, just a different shade than the rest of the surface. Don't really know about deep or embossed, but they do seem as if they were very much close to the surface. The disc plays fine.

I'm guessing these marks aren't an indicator that the CD is a bootleg? The similarity with the Immo boot kind of scares me though, but do people even bootleg available represses? The matrixes and whatnot look fine (I think), but I can't take a picture at the moment.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:53 pm 
 

It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it. If it had some kind of skipping or something like that it could be a serious defect on the surface, but since it plays fine...

Earache stuff bootlegged?! That I live to see the day. Earache is probably the label that represses their stuff the most! :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:44 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it.
that's what it looks like here too, i have a few like this, it's pretty common and can be alarming agreed!

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Immolation - Majesty And Decay
COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail

New release added to Discogs, take a look.
http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588
http://i.imgur.com/nrryMkM.jpg
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Let me understand.. the first photo is the boot and the photo below is the original, right?? thanx
Yeah the top one is a counterfeit copy.
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@ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
  1. the matrix as seen in the image above is 'inverted'
  2. there is no mould SID code
  3. the matrix font is wrong
  4. the mastering SID code font is wrong
  5. disc image is low quality and green
  6. booklet and rear cover images are the wrong colour
  7. booklet and rear cover fonts are wrong
  8. booklet paper is too thick
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:59 pm 
 

Good lord, talk about detail hein?! :p

Didn't we talk at the time that it could be a licensed version to another region, thus having a different print/lower quality?! I seem to recall something like that, however I think that edition doesn't mention anything like that. Does it? That would explain why a three year old CD from the biggest metal label in the world would need to be bootlegged, which is something nearly unfathomable as I see it.

It's bizarre to say the least, but this is indeed a mad world we live in.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:19 pm 
 

It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:36 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.


Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:58 pm 
 

DigitalDictator wrote:
dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.


Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...

I'm not really sure about this because I don't have any notion of the mechanics involved in the actual manufacturing, but I guess that almost everything can be faked today if you have the right tools. What most likely happens is that it's not profitable enough for bootleggers to have a 100% air tight replication scheme, and since bootlegging is about money...

I'm not putting out facts here though, just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:20 pm 
 

Have got digiCD of Incubus / Beyond The Unknown / Serpent Temptation by Nuclear Blast. Matrix is different from discogs: LU029947 NB 0519-2 01 0MM Technicolor / IFPI L128 / ifpi 7009. I've added it to discogs release notes, but want to confirm is it legit or digipack also could be bootlegged as well :)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:46 pm 
 

Hard to tell really, maybe Daemonlord can help you with that one. Might as well PM him if he doesn't catch a glimpse of this one. ;)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:48 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
It's an exact replica of the legit one I got from the USA the other day, the only thing missing is the mould SID code
Apart from the crap quality/colour/fonts etc it's exactly the same content.
DigitalDictator wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong: bootlegers cannot fake mould SID codes, right? I have never seen a counterfeit copy with an ifpi mould code...
You can, I have a couple here, another thing they do is use a legit plant then scratch/melt/obscure the SID codes :nono:
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:27 am 
 

Damnit! How can they use legit plants? I's unbelievable! I have never seen a counterfeit copy with matrix font 100% identical to the original, did you?

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:24 am 
 

So I came across Trash - Watch Out today in the local record store. 2nd hand in very good condition and only 1 €, so I bought it on a whim. It's apparently this German first press. I'm just curious, since the low price tag made me suspicious. I saw a few (Swedish) copies for sale online and they seem to be around 10 € or so, but that was only cursory "research." It's obviously not something particularly rare (I think), but still. I guess it's still possible that it's a bootleg, fake, whatever.

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If anyone could help me out, would be great. :)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:32 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
Have got digiCD of Incubus / Beyond The Unknown / Serpent Temptation by Nuclear Blast. Matrix is different from discogs: LU029947 NB 0519-2 01 0MM Technicolor / IFPI L128 / ifpi 7009. I've added it to discogs release notes, but want to confirm is it legit or digipack also could be bootlegged as well :)


I don't think this CD has been bootlegged as it is too common and of a small value. Also I don't know about many Digipacks that have been bootlegged, mostly standard CDs.
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[/img]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA0NVgxMDY4/z/iRcAAOxyCepScSct/$T2eC16J,!w4FIZwtYmevBScScsI2Uw~~60_0.JPG[/img]

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Can someone help me with this one? Is it the original version or just a bootleg?

Thanks in advance

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:14 pm 
 

nonpointer wrote:
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Equinox - Xerox success

Can someone help me with this one? Is it the original version or just a bootleg?

Thanks in advance
There might be a way to get the auction number from that url but I don't see it, how about a link to the auction?
Also it looks like a bit of a minefield with that one, 'originals' sell for $100+ and some Russians are selling them for $15... :scratch:
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:10 pm 
 

Can somebody help me with this one and give me any information about this pressing? First of all, is it legit haha?

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What makes you think it's not legit?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:52 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
What makes you think it's not legit?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:33 am 
 

Well, probably i'm overreacting but the cover seems to be a little to "bluish", not the standard dark one. Also i just can't find any information about this pressing, every old pressing of this cd has roadracer logo (that with a cheetah) above the barcode, this one here has roadrunner. When i type this matrix code into the google - also no feedback.

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It could just be a repress, Roadrunner is newer than Roadracer isn't it?
Does it have IFPI SID codes?
http://www.discogs.com/Obituary-Cause-Of-Death/master/105650
Your catalogue number RCD 9370 matches a couple here but the matrix info differs, you may have to add your copy [if you want to]
Where did it come from?
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:17 am 
 

No, it doesnt have IFPI. Catalogue number is RCD 9370 on the cd, but on the cover it is RR 9370. I bought it from a guy from one metal forum (rather trustworthy death metal fan), he constantly sells some of his cd's because he replaces them with vinyls. He says that he bought this cd ages ago and, from what he knows, it is some kind of early repressing of the first press. Another guy (ebay seller who sells shitload of rare metal cds) said that this is 2nd or 3rd american press. btw cover looks like this: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ ... _death_f9/

this is the only place in web wheres something about this pressing.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:48 am 
 

It all seems to add up to it being legit. I know we as collectors tend to doubt everything nowadays, but if you bought it from a trusted seller and other people have told you that it is legit then I'd take it for that. And yes, Roadrunner replaced Roadracer as the company name in the early nineties, although I can't give an exact date on that. Later presses bear the new logo and designation, although I can't assure that there won't be early represses with the same old layout. Meaning that even though it's a repress it can bear the old logo since a new layout wasn't issued for that particular press. That stuff happens in big companies that have several editions of the same press (US, Germany, Netherlands, etc.).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:03 pm 
 

If it doesn't match any of these: http://www.discogs.com/Obituary-Cause-Of-Death/master/105650
I'd add a new release, with full scans and complete matrix info :nods:
Can you tell us in here when you have done it though? [a link would be good]
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Kreator / Terrible Certainty

Bought it in 2007 from The End Records (or Relapse), cat. num. N03422, matrix E D C N03422 01, IFPI 04BE, IFPI 0415

This edition not presented on discogs, any thoughts that it could be not legal?

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AcidMind wrote:
Kreator / Terrible Certainty

Bought it in 2007 from The End Records (or Relapse), cat. num. N03422, matrix E D C N03422 01, IFPI 04BE, IFPI 0415

This edition not presented on discogs, any thoughts that it could be not legal?


There are hundreds of editions not on Discogs, it absolutely doesn't make sense using Discogs as reference for "legal" or all available editions
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If you have a scanner [or camera] and the inclination please do add it to Discogs
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:38 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
If you have a scanner [or camera] and the inclination please do add it to Discogs


just found this release (at least with this catalogue number) in Coma Of Souls page, have added matrix/ifpi info.

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If you could post links would be handy so we don't have to turn Discogs upside down trying to find the release, even harder when you have a different username
http://www.discogs.com/release/4764612
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dreadmeat wrote:
If you could post links would be handy so we don't have to turn Discogs upside down trying to find the release, even harder when you have a different username
http://www.discogs.com/release/4764612


Ups, my fault, sorry.

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Can someone help me with this one? bought it from grooves-inc, it said that it was released in 1990. Not sure if it's original
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Terror_Abraxas wrote:
Can someone help me with this one? bought it from grooves-inc, it said that it was released in 1990. Not sure if it's original
Definitely not, the general appearance is too new looking, not worn enough [unless it's been stored] but the biggest giveaway is the IFPI SID code, it was made after 1994 and is just a repress.
Also CDs didn't exist in 1980, I know you didn't say 1980 but that album came out in 1980 originally on LP

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[url=http://i43.tinypic.com/23r4aol.jpg][img]http://i43.tinypic.com/23r4aol_t.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://i42.tinypic.com/e101j.jpg][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/e101j_t.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://i39.tinypic.com/w9uyjr.jpg][img]http://i39.tinypic.com/w9uyjr_t.jpg[/img][/url]


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:08 pm 
 

Easy now tiger. RYM states that there are two CD versions before 2009, one in 1990 by Parlophone (international release) and a 1994 one by EMI (Japan release). So that should be a repress of the first one since it has SID codes. Saxon is a big band so no wonder it was repressed many times, especially that album.

But someone who owns it can attest to the correct matrix.
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It is 100% not from 1990 :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys!

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hi to all!
Iron maiden fan's are you here? :)
help with some "problem" - i have two cd's :
Piece of mind matrix - CDP 7 46363 2 AR 3-8-3 EMI SWINDON (no ifpi)
Somewhere in time matrix - CDP 746341 2 AR 1-6-31 EMI SWINDON (no ifpi)

is first UK-press or remaster?
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