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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:49 pm 
 

What makes you think it's not legit?
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dreadmeat wrote:
What makes you think it's not legit?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:33 am 
 

Well, probably i'm overreacting but the cover seems to be a little to "bluish", not the standard dark one. Also i just can't find any information about this pressing, every old pressing of this cd has roadracer logo (that with a cheetah) above the barcode, this one here has roadrunner. When i type this matrix code into the google - also no feedback.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:36 am 
 

It could just be a repress, Roadrunner is newer than Roadracer isn't it?
Does it have IFPI SID codes?
http://www.discogs.com/Obituary-Cause-Of-Death/master/105650
Your catalogue number RCD 9370 matches a couple here but the matrix info differs, you may have to add your copy [if you want to]
Where did it come from?
http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#CD_Matrix

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:17 am 
 

No, it doesnt have IFPI. Catalogue number is RCD 9370 on the cd, but on the cover it is RR 9370. I bought it from a guy from one metal forum (rather trustworthy death metal fan), he constantly sells some of his cd's because he replaces them with vinyls. He says that he bought this cd ages ago and, from what he knows, it is some kind of early repressing of the first press. Another guy (ebay seller who sells shitload of rare metal cds) said that this is 2nd or 3rd american press. btw cover looks like this: http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ ... _death_f9/

this is the only place in web wheres something about this pressing.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:48 am 
 

It all seems to add up to it being legit. I know we as collectors tend to doubt everything nowadays, but if you bought it from a trusted seller and other people have told you that it is legit then I'd take it for that. And yes, Roadrunner replaced Roadracer as the company name in the early nineties, although I can't give an exact date on that. Later presses bear the new logo and designation, although I can't assure that there won't be early represses with the same old layout. Meaning that even though it's a repress it can bear the old logo since a new layout wasn't issued for that particular press. That stuff happens in big companies that have several editions of the same press (US, Germany, Netherlands, etc.).
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:03 pm 
 

If it doesn't match any of these: http://www.discogs.com/Obituary-Cause-Of-Death/master/105650
I'd add a new release, with full scans and complete matrix info :nods:
Can you tell us in here when you have done it though? [a link would be good]
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 10:32 am 
 

Kreator / Terrible Certainty

Bought it in 2007 from The End Records (or Relapse), cat. num. N03422, matrix E D C N03422 01, IFPI 04BE, IFPI 0415

This edition not presented on discogs, any thoughts that it could be not legal?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:22 pm 
 

AcidMind wrote:
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Bought it in 2007 from The End Records (or Relapse), cat. num. N03422, matrix E D C N03422 01, IFPI 04BE, IFPI 0415

This edition not presented on discogs, any thoughts that it could be not legal?


There are hundreds of editions not on Discogs, it absolutely doesn't make sense using Discogs as reference for "legal" or all available editions
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If you have a scanner [or camera] and the inclination please do add it to Discogs
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:38 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
If you have a scanner [or camera] and the inclination please do add it to Discogs


just found this release (at least with this catalogue number) in Coma Of Souls page, have added matrix/ifpi info.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:07 pm 
 

If you could post links would be handy so we don't have to turn Discogs upside down trying to find the release, even harder when you have a different username
http://www.discogs.com/release/4764612
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:21 am 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
If you could post links would be handy so we don't have to turn Discogs upside down trying to find the release, even harder when you have a different username
http://www.discogs.com/release/4764612


Ups, my fault, sorry.

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Can someone help me with this one? bought it from grooves-inc, it said that it was released in 1990. Not sure if it's original
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Terror_Abraxas wrote:
Can someone help me with this one? bought it from grooves-inc, it said that it was released in 1990. Not sure if it's original
Definitely not, the general appearance is too new looking, not worn enough [unless it's been stored] but the biggest giveaway is the IFPI SID code, it was made after 1994 and is just a repress.
Also CDs didn't exist in 1980, I know you didn't say 1980 but that album came out in 1980 originally on LP

Code:
[url=http://i43.tinypic.com/23r4aol.jpg][img]http://i43.tinypic.com/23r4aol_t.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://i42.tinypic.com/e101j.jpg][img]http://i42.tinypic.com/e101j_t.jpg[/img][/url]
[url=http://i39.tinypic.com/w9uyjr.jpg][img]http://i39.tinypic.com/w9uyjr_t.jpg[/img][/url]


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:08 pm 
 

Easy now tiger. RYM states that there are two CD versions before 2009, one in 1990 by Parlophone (international release) and a 1994 one by EMI (Japan release). So that should be a repress of the first one since it has SID codes. Saxon is a big band so no wonder it was repressed many times, especially that album.

But someone who owns it can attest to the correct matrix.
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It is 100% not from 1990 :thumbsup:
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Thanks guys!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:48 am 
 

hi to all!
Iron maiden fan's are you here? :)
help with some "problem" - i have two cd's :
Piece of mind matrix - CDP 7 46363 2 AR 3-8-3 EMI SWINDON (no ifpi)
Somewhere in time matrix - CDP 746341 2 AR 1-6-31 EMI SWINDON (no ifpi)

is first UK-press or remaster?
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The Iron Maiden stuff is a nightmare, they have been repressed so many times, not every manufacturer puts [visible] SID codes either.
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dreadmeat wrote:
androdion wrote:
It's probably just some tiny defect when the plant assembled that CD. It has nothing to do with bootlegging and if the CD plays fine I wouldn't worry about it.
that's what it looks like here too, i have a few like this, it's pretty common and can be alarming agreed!

dreadmeat wrote:
Immolation - Majesty And Decay
COUNTERFEIT bought from http://www.ebay.com/usr/musiccocktail

New release added to Discogs, take a look.
http://www.discogs.com/release/5026588
http://i.imgur.com/nrryMkM.jpg
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Let me understand.. the first photo is the boot and the photo below is the original, right?? thanx
Yeah the top one is a counterfeit copy.
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@ dreadmeat - Maybe I'm just drowsy but would you care to explain it in detail (the boot)?
  1. the matrix as seen in the image above is 'inverted'
  2. there is no mould SID code
  3. the matrix font is wrong
  4. the mastering SID code font is wrong
  5. disc image is low quality and green
  6. booklet and rear cover images are the wrong colour
  7. booklet and rear cover fonts are wrong
  8. booklet paper is too thick


Seems rather stupid to bootleg a cd that is not rare and easy to find in the first place, isn't it?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:13 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Seems rather stupid to bootleg a cd that is not rare and easy to find in the first place, isn't it?
Indeed!
Vengeance Rising ‎– Once Dead
http://www.discogs.com/release/3753829

I wonder how many Pantera, Iron Maiden or Metallica fakes are out there
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:39 am 
 

I have never seen so strange Sony DADC matrix, so it could be bootleg?

CD has both mastering and mould ifpi codes, but matrix makes me confused.

Checked other Transmission releases, but other ones have standard looking Sony DADC matrixes.

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Your links are all busted mate
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little better now, but for some strange reason upside down

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What doesn't look right to you?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:03 am 
 

This is Sony DADC typical matrix I used to see on many releases.

Comes from Epica - Phantom Agony limited edition.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:17 am 
 

After some search over collection found couple of Sony DADC releases with same looking matrix code, so this strange one is probably legit too.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:22 am 
 

They are a HUGE company and have many variances between plants and even the same plant at different times, it looks fine to me.
What does Discogs/Ebay/Musik Sammler etc say?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:24 pm 
 

To be perfectly honest that font left me wondering, as did the white inner ring. I don't think I've ever seen a Sony DADC disc with a white inner ring. But then again I'm working solely by memory here.

Truth be told Sony is beyond huge, but Transmission Records were really fucking small Dread... I've checked my copy but it's the limited digibook so it has a different print on the CD, plus the matrix employs the typical crossed zeros font.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:32 pm 
 

Transmission Records may be small but they didn't manufacture the disc :p
https://web.archive.org/web/20060613013546/http://transmissionrecords.nl/
The mould SID code matches too http://www.musik-sammler.de/wiki/index.php?title=IFPI-Codes
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Shit Dread, you know what I meant. :p I guess I'm not phrasing myself correctly... Could be that I'm just tired, or that I simply can't focus on anything else besides that hat-trick Ronaldo scored today, ha ha.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:12 am 
 

androdion,
Probably white inner ring is kind a production speciality
For example Finntroll - Visor Om Slutet by Sony DADC has green inner ring.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:00 pm 
 

Sure, there's no reason for it not to be legit. As Dread said, huge company with different pressing plants and all that. The initial impact though was weird, but that's probably because all my Sony DADC discs look the same. :lol:
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Hi guys! Help needed...

I'm going to buy 'Demigod' cd from Behemoth. I want to choose the Peaceville cd+dvd digibook edition and I want to know if the original cover is inside or not.

Same question for the Regain repress slipcase.

the Peaceville one:
http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2808982

the Regain one:
http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2672930

I'm searching on the web for an image of the inlay, never find.
Thanks for the help!
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Hello everyone.

Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD?
My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is?
This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c
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The Lions Den wrote:
Hi guys! Help needed...

I'm going to buy 'Demigod' cd from Behemoth. I want to choose the Peaceville cd+dvd digibook edition and I want to know if the original cover is inside or not.

Same question for the Regain repress slipcase.

the Peaceville one:
http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2808982

the Regain one:
http://www.discogs.com/Behemoth-Demigod/release/2672930

I'm searching on the web for an image of the inlay, never find.
Thanks for the help!

I have this version: http://www.discogs.com/release/775722
It's just the standard Century Media jewel case version, however I did ask for those two releases you linked to to be updated, lets see what happens...
You could always ask in the history about the artwork.
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Poisonfume wrote:
Hello everyone.

Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD?
My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is?
This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c

Some info on GZ / Gramofonové Závody
http://www.discogs.com/label/GZ+Digital+Media
http://www.discogs.com/label/Gramofonov%C3%A9+Z%C3%A1vody
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dreadmeat wrote:
Poisonfume wrote:
Hello everyone.

Does anyone have a copy of the 1994 Necromantia/Varathron CD?
My copy's matrix code is GZ F50919 USR 010. Anyone know exactly which edition that is?
This thread on the NWN forums has conflicting answers:
http://www.nwnprod.com/forum/viewtopic. ... d37c507f5c

Some info on GZ / Gramofonové Závody
http://www.discogs.com/label/GZ+Digital+Media
http://www.discogs.com/label/Gramofonov%C3%A9+Z%C3%A1vody


Thanks, that is helpful but all I can deduce from the manufacture info is that my copy is indeed from 1994.
To narrow down my question, there's mainly two versions of the disc people seem to have.
One with matrix code GZ F50919 USR 010, and one with FABELSOUND 95 [01] UNISOUND 010. The GZ copy is not archived in discogs.
From what I've researched the latter's format is that used with most Unisound first-presses, but many first pressings of releases under the label's previous name (Decapitated) have been GZ manufactured.

I just want some more info on those two. Which is the very first pressing?
Normally I'd assume it to be the greek Fabelsound pressing, but the example of Passage to Arcturo brought up by the guy on the NWN forums suggests that isn't necessarily so.
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To be clear, we are talking about this release, correct?
http://www.discogs.com/master/123478
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Varathron/The_Black_Arts_-_The_Everlasting_Sins/41947
http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/10895

Numerous variations of artwork and packaging and numerous pressings including reissues.
The title is interesting to note too, it changed from The Black Arts / The Everlasting Sins to The Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins
And from what I can see over at Discogs the name varies even more still Black Arts Lead To Everlasting Sins with no 'the'

If your version doesn't exist at Discogs please add it, with full matrix info and scans.
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