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DigitalDictator
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:57 pm 
 

japc wrote:
DigitalDictator wrote:
If you post a photo I can compare it with other DiscUSA matrix that I have.
I don't think that logo could be easily faked...


Yes, I guess you're right. In the meantime I contacted Metal Blade and they kindly replied that that matrix data matches for the release and DiscUSA was/is their manufacturer.



100% LEGIT. Don't worry!
I compared it with my copy of Helstar's A distant Thunder and everything matches: logo, matrix font and ifpi.
The only difference is that I have a date (2/11/05) on the left of the matrix (mine is 14207-2/03)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:42 pm 
 

Metal Blade actually replied?! awesome :metal:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:36 pm 
 

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Metal Blade actually replied?! awesome :metal:

Never doubted they would. From NB or CM I wouldn't expected anything but Metal Blade, Black Mark or Osmose, for instance, or any smaller label, I know they are cool and interested guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:39 pm 
 

i emailed osmose about the angelcorpse cds a while ago, not a dickybird...
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japc
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:50 pm 
 

I had this reply from Metal Blade, other than that a talk (several messages exchanged) about a Immortal Pure Holocaust weird issue with Osmose, a reply from Black Mark about a Edge of Sanity bitrotted-to-transparency CD and a reply from Peaceville about the Autopsy Mental Funeral reissue, that I remember.

Got silence from Nuclear Blast about a Hypocrisy Pleasures of Molestation digi bitrotted-to-transparency and silence from Roadrunner when I inquired about the criminal King Diamond Abigail reissue.

I always ask because labels should be asked.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:02 pm 
 

i also got silence from nuclear blast about my immolation majesty and decay cd
the seller i got it from musiccocktail now has some very bad feedback on ebay...
they are in the ukraine not russia and they are a chick not a guy
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japc
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:43 pm 
 

dreadmeat wrote:
i also got silence from nuclear blast about my immolation majesty and decay cd
the seller i got it from musiccocktail now has some very bad feedback on ebay...
they are in the ukraine not russia and they are a chick not a guy

Ei, maybe she create the ebay account in the 80s and forgot to update the info :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:59 am 
 

I'm not being a troll or anything but I have to ask........... why are people so obsessed with matrix numbers and bar codes and shit? What happened to just listening to albums and enjoying them? I'm all for people still buying physical CDs and shit but wow. Every time I try to sell something on ebay, I get 20 messages asking for close-up pics of the matrix numbers and all these ridiculous questions.

In the case of bootlegs, I understand no one wants fake albums. Of course. But when it's a difference between a first or second pressing, who gives a shit? Just my take. Not in any way an insult to anyone in this thread.
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androdion
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:12 am 
 

Well, we started this thread because the boards were always flooded with matrix/bootleg requests anyway, so now it's all centralized here. Answering your question is easy, just look at how inflated and expensive many CDs get to be in online selling platforms. Of course one wants to be reassured the money is being well spent, would you spend $50+ on a rarity without checking its veracity? Also many people buy bootlegs because they have no idea of some things like matrix and IPFI codes, so this might prove helpful for those as well.
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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:29 am 
 

enter the matrix
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i don't consider your comment to be troll-like, it's a fairly reasonable 'observation'
it makes me feel more awesome knowing i'm in possession of an original
some people care and some people don't, hell i've spoken to people who bought cheap home burned cdrs and had no idea until i told them
if you don't like answering those questions, pre-empt them and just put up the info like i do
the fact you even know what this information is gives the buyer more confidence, they think they're buying from a pro
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:37 pm 
 

any bootlegs/dodgy versions of
Satyricon ‎– Nemesis Divina [promo] floating about that you guys know of?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:25 pm 
 

There shouldn't be, the original edition isn't even close to rare.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:26 pm 
 

androdion wrote:
There shouldn't be, the original edition isn't even close to rare.
tell that to the moron who booted this vengeance rising cd i have here ha ha ha :roll:
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androdion
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:28 pm 
 

You got really traumatized by that one. :D I bought my original copy of ND for 10€ if that's indicative of anything.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:38 pm 
 

yes, i ran around screaming horribly for a while :durr:
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:27 pm 
 

the Satyricon ‎– Nemesis Divina cd is definitely a legal promo, cool.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:06 am 
 

Equimanthorn ‎– Nindinugga Nimshimshargal Enlillara

anyone feel like checking this out and giving their opinion on it?
compare matrix info etc

http://www.discogs.com/Equimanthorn-Nindinugga-Nimshimshargal-Enlillara/release/4186585

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carnival_corpse
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:04 pm 
 

Does anyone know if Noise Records ever released Deathrow's Raging Steel in CD. I have checked some sources like Discogs but no refence to a Noise CD version. I recently bought a collection of CD's from a local guy and found this one in CD, it looks like an obvious bootleg, with matrix number RAGINGSTEEL. Does anyone has this bootleg? When was it issued?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:55 pm 
 

these guys reckon it's a bootleg, feel free to add it to discogs man :nono:
http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/27873

edit: the headshake smiley is because it's a bootleg not because you're asking about it :p
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:27 pm 
 

In memory of Celtic Frost - Dwell Records compilation

do you guys have this?
do we know how many different versions exist? [mine is the non BMG version with a barcode]
is there some official explanation for the mastering error at the end?
tracks 12, 13 and 14 are all 1 track

it's not on their label page here http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Dwell_Records

http://www.dwellrecords.com exploded a while ago [2008?] but wayback machine at least lets us have a look
http://web.archive.org/web/20060219093611/http://www.dwellrecords.com/web/page.asp?pgs=product&catid=32&id=825
their myspace page hasn't been used since about 2008 too if i'm reading it correctly.
http://www.myspace.com/dwellrecords1
and i don't see a faecbook page...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 7:18 pm 
 

carnival_corpse wrote:
Does anyone know if Noise Records ever released Deathrow's Raging Steel in CD. I have checked some sources like Discogs but no refence to a Noise CD version. I recently bought a collection of CD's from a local guy and found this one in CD, it looks like an obvious bootleg, with matrix number RAGINGSTEEL. Does anyone has this bootleg? When was it issued?

There is exactly one CD edition of Deathrow's first two albums, the 2008 ones on Displeased Records. Both those albums were vinyl only releases back then and they were issued for the first time on CD five years ago. There's a funny mistake on the sophomore because it has the song "Scattered by the Wind" divided into two separate album tracks when it's actually just one song. That's also why the track list on the back insert doesn't match the actual CD.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:34 pm 
 

In a 1988 interview in Metal Core Zine Max Cavalera says that the European pressing of Schizophrenia through U.S. Metal /Shark Records is a bootleg. Can this be confirmed as true or did the Brazilian label offer rights to these labels to release it and Max is just uninformed.
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japc
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:19 pm 
 

japc wrote:
Anyone has the Omen - Battle Cry reissue from Metal Blade with the black backcover with the large Omen Battle Cry?

Just got a copy from an amazon 3rd party (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000 ... 02_s00_i00) very cheap, and some things strike me as odd: it was sealed but one of the spines is torn, it has no inner print on the backcover but comes in a transparent jewelcase, the backcover layout is very much like the limited edition (black with the large band + title) but without the limited edition on the bottom right, the cover is very blurry and the paper feels weird.

Matrix is 14215-2 03 with a DiscUSA logo
SID codes: IFPI L794 IFPI 2D40.

Anyone with a similar edition? I guess I should discard this as a counterfeit and bug the seller, if not for anything else because of packaging + torn spine.


Ok, they offered me a new copy because of the tear in the spine, it arrived today. This one has a much sharper print, came with a Metal Blade sticker on the wrap and a white plastic "Band - Title, label, barcode" sticker on the top of the jewel case (they use those for easy id-ing). The CD is also different. The backcover is exactly the same, the cover and booklet is also the same (except for the print quality).

Photos...
(top is the new one)

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dreadmeat
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:25 pm 
 

very different, the quality of the other one looks much lower.
adding to discogs as we speak no doubt :roll:
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DigitalDictator
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:09 am 
 

What about the matrix? Is it the same?

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japc
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:13 am 
 

No, it's different. The new one has a xx/yy/2012 date on the matrix so it must be a recent reissue.
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DigitalDictator
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:48 am 
 

Ok, but is it still a DiscUsa pressing? If yes, are the logos identical? It's only pure curiosity. Thanks

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japc
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:50 am 
 

DigitalDictator wrote:
Ok, but is it still a DiscUsa pressing? If yes, are the logos identical? It's only pure curiosity. Thanks

Thank you for making me get up from the couch, it's a storm outside and I felt cozy.
But got myself to the other side of the house and here you have it:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:44 pm 
 

that looks totally legit from here, on the other side of the world, with no storm :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:00 pm 
 

No, I bet it is, I just mentioned it as a follow up to my weird Battle Cry buy.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:07 pm 
 

oh, that's a different cd... :scratch: :crash:
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rooster85
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:09 am 
 

bootleg?

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matrix is "MCAD42187 S8526C MANUFACTURED BY SANYO", BUT the font is suspicious...

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:11 am 
 

we can't really see the font, can you take a closer photo or scan?
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http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Cianide/Rage_War_1996/10829
http://www.discogs.com/Cianide-Rage-War-1996/release/3422487
http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/654360

http://shop.cryonicsrecords.com/shop/cyanide-rage-war-1996/
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330858214710

is this thing legit? :scratch:
i just emailed mike from cianide about it, i'd be keen to get a copy [obviously not from the russian for $150]
and only if it's a legit release on a legit label, which by the way doesn't seem to exist here at MA
although there is mention of it on the release page


EDIT!

just got a reply from mike from cianide
it's totally legit, so yeah awesome! :metal:
i won't be buying the russian's one though...

i just noticed they spelled cianide wrong [cyanide]
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Osmi_Putnik
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:07 am 
 

rooster85 wrote:
bootleg?

Image

matrix is "MCAD42187 S8526C MANUFACTURED BY SANYO", BUT the font is suspicious...


Obvious bootleg!!!

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japc
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:06 am 
 

Osmi_Putnik wrote:
Obvious bootleg!!!

That would be my first guess too, but can you elaborate on the "Obvious" part?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:56 pm 
 

japc wrote:
Osmi_Putnik wrote:
Obvious bootleg!!!

That would be my first guess too, but can you elaborate on the "Obvious" part?


I'm not at home right now to scan "original" made by SANYO cd...Shok Paris - Steel And Starlight come to my mind...i will post it here next week.
Way too different font of matrix on 1st look.

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Helvede
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:58 am 
 

Why even bother bootlegging that cd? I mean, is it even valuable?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:16 pm 
 

Helvede wrote:
Why even bother bootlegging that cd? I mean, is it even valuable?

A quick look at ebay says it sells for around $70. It's a tradeoff, if it's not incredibly rare/expensive then it's easier to get a copy to dup and, also, people tend to be less inquisitive on the fact that copies keep showing for sale and less inquisitive when buying and getting the CD.
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