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Derigin
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:03 am 
 

http://wtvr.com/2012/06/29/singer-of-ri ... 010-death/

At least one report seems to suggest he hit the fan with his microphone.

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MalignantThrone
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:18 am 
 

I'm so tired of hearing people cite Dimebag's death as justification for mindlessly beating the shit out of people who come onto the stage. So what, because exactly one musician was murdered while playing at one of the thousands of metal shows that took place last decade, I have a free pass to treat all people who get past security as armed assailants who are to be shown no mercy as I dent their faces with my microphone?
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Necroticism174
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:28 am 
 

Seriously. That's one of the most ridiculous arguments I've read on here. The guy is just a dick.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:48 am 
 

dystopia4 wrote:
Yeah it would make sense that they would not make it public so he'd come back, but I don't know how they managed to keep the fact that a singer from a well known band killed someone under wraps. You'd think stuff like that would tend to come out.


Why would they keep it secret when there is a legitimate process by which they could bring him to justice? It is complicated, but if there is a strong case against him for killing someone, you would think they want to handle it properly.

Derigin wrote:
http://wtvr.com/2012/06/29/singer-of-richmond-based-lamb-of-god-arrested-in-prague-for-fans-2010-death/

At least one report seems to suggest he hit the fan with his microphone.


"After the 2010 incident, those who know the band heard the intruder may have been struck with a microphone before the security team forced him from the stage."

Security at metal shows often involves rough handling of crowdsurfers, and I have a lot of respect for how professionally and safely a lot of them handle that, but they should be able to recognize if someone is hurt and get them out and get them immediate medical attention. Reports don't specify if they did or not, but it takes either an extremely excessive beating or a very unfortunate incident for someone to die in a situation like this. With the number of videos on YouTube, I think a lengthy beating would've ended up on the internet. Mostly speculation, but the information available right now doesn't add up right.

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UNCHAIN_THE_WOLVES
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:58 am 
 

Fuckin joke... I'm no fan of Blythe or LOG but if some shit for brains fan wants to get himself on stage at a concert then you gotta be prepared to accept the concequences of your stupidity... shit happens

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NARAKU666
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:06 am 
 

personally i like LoG, but not enough to feel bad for Randy
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Rotting_Christ_Mike
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:39 am 
 

When the security saw that shit, they should have gotten the dude outside and found someone to provide him with medical attention.
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WarriorFenix
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:05 am 
 

UNCHAIN_THE_WOLVES wrote:
Fuckin joke... I'm no fan of Blythe or LOG but if some shit for brains fan wants to get himself on stage at a concert then you gotta be prepared to accept the concequences of your stupidity... shit happens



Not sure if serious......

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MalignantThrone
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:18 am 
 

WarriorFenix wrote:
UNCHAIN_THE_WOLVES wrote:
Fuckin joke... I'm no fan of Blythe or LOG but if some shit for brains fan wants to get himself on stage at a concert then you gotta be prepared to accept the concequences of your stupidity... shit happens


Not sure if serious......

He probably is, though, ironically, the only people I've seen today who were pulling that card in response to the situation are diehard fans of the band.

Seriously, though, "derp he got whut was comin to him" isn't exactly an applicable mindset when, you know, the person actually lost his life. Would you want to be killed over doing something as trivial as bypassing security at a band's concert?
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marktheviktor
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:32 am 
 

There goes his political aspirations.


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Ecliptik
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:36 am 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
Would you want to be killed over doing something as harmless as bypassing security at a band's concert?


Killed? Of course not. But to say that it's a completely harmless act isn't quite right either. Did the guy intend to hurt Blythe? Most likely not. Was Blythe "defending" himself? Again, most likely not, probably just trying to look all big, bad and tough. But implying that the guy just "bypassed" security makes it sound like he simply opted out of an additional, unnecessary feature of the show.
Of course it's a shame that the guy died, that much is obvious. But there is a certain validity to the argument that if security doesn't stop the guy, the band has a right to.

And for the record, I'm no fan of either Blythe or LOG.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:52 am 
 

Yeah, I realized "harmless" was stretching it a bit so I changed the wording (apparently after you started to reply). And I understand that the guy probably didn't just innocently sneak past the...fence? gate? This is why I used that odd wording; my terminology is a bit lacking when it comes to live shows. ._.

Anyways, I guess I'm moreso responding to arguments against the situation than the situation itself. The guy shouldn't have gone through security, I agree, but at the same time, he died, and in that case a manslaughter charge is completely justified. I hate to see people acting like Randy should be let off the hook just because he's super-famous.
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The_Flood
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 5:58 am 
 

Obviously, Blythe didn't want to kill the guy. But then, Blythe is a dick and acting like one, and he screwed things up. But anyway, the whole thing sounds quite weird. Smells like everybody's making a big deal out of half-truths and rumors.

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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:37 am 
 

From a LoG song:

Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I Die, You are forgiven. If I Live, I will kill you." Such is the Rule of Honor.

I guess he really stands by his lyrics.....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:08 am 
 

I already made that joke. :p
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henkkjelle
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:26 am 
 

:lol: You did? Well, I didn't see that.

Another one then..... he would still be a better president than romney.

Randy announced that he intended to run for President of the United States of America on January 5, 2012 via his personal blog. Despite releasing one campaign ad video, he has not formed a PAC, he has not filed a "Statement of Candidacy" form with the FEC, nor has he petitioned to be listed on the ballot of any of the 50 states.

(waiting for someone to say this joke is taken to)
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MercyfulKing
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:41 am 
 

BlackMarketVinyl wrote:
Krosstika wrote:

None that I know of, but Watain is notorious for beating the shit out of people who come on stage, more than most other bands.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AewyCRg_h3A
This short footage is a part of the Watain on-stage beating incident. That clown deserves it.


The only clowns i see are the ones with instruments in the video. So yeah, oh well for Blythe. Never liked LOG, never have, never will. So no real loss here.
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Jasper92
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:11 am 
 

The whole band should be arrested for ear slaughter.

But if he did kill someone on stage he should just sit some time in prison like everyone does when they kill somebody.
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RacoCooper
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:44 am 
 

All I have to say is that fans never belong on the stage. Maybe if it's a show for some up and coming band at a bar with no security, but a big band like Lamb of God should not have any sort of crowd interference. Randy should not have had to defend himself against the fan and the venue's security should have actually done their job and made sure that no fan could get to the stage.

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odinofasgard
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:10 pm 
 

That sucks but I don't really care about Randy Blythe. I've tried getting into Lamb of God many times but they're just not for me. And I guess this was two years ago?
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Ozenrol
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:31 pm 
 

RacoCooper wrote:
Randy should not have had to defend himself against the fan and the venue's security should have actually done their job and made sure that no fan could get to the stage.


I think the term "preemptively attack" is much more appropriate than "defend," which suggests the fan had some kind of violent motive or acted aggressively when it appears to be totally the other way 'round. In any case, this whole thing is such a clusterfuck and I can't understand the mindset of a lot of people who think it's ok for Blythe to have done this. If someone crawls up on stage, there's a way to take care of it (specifically I'm thinking of the Mortuus body slam technique), and walloping them with a microphone or any other object other than your firsts is cowardly and just looking for trouble. And yeah, I know someone's gonna be "BUT DIMEBAG, MAN" which is just a load of shit. Some redneck hit my sisters car last year but that doesn't mean I stop driving or give up driving when I'm spending time in hicksville. It's faulty logic, one incident in almost forty years worth of metal shows.


Anyways, sucks that someone had to die and my thoughts go out to to his family. If Blythe really did kill this guy, I hope he rots in prison.

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Hellrisen
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:09 pm 
 

I think this is more of an attempt from the Czechs to jail Blythe for his musical crimes against humanity than anything else....
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:50 pm 
 

According to this article, there wasn't any real fight, but the man died because Randy pushed him off the stage:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/168878 ... ague.jhtml
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:42 pm 
 

He should rot in jail.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 2:59 pm 
 

Kveldulfr wrote:
He should rot in jail.


Now now, don't get too hasty.

This incident deals with a fan that three times during the concert jumped the barricade and rushed Randy during the performance. It is alleged that the third time, security was not able to reach him and that Randy pushed him back into the audience where supposedly he fell and hit his head.

it's not like randy bludgeoned the man's head and bodyslammed him. He pushed him down, and the dude landed wrong. Not to say Randy isn't guilty, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentional.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:32 pm 
 

henkkjelle wrote:
:lol: You did? Well, I didn't see that.

Another one then..... he would still be a better president than romney.

Randy announced that he intended to run for President of the United States of America on January 5, 2012 via his personal blog. Despite releasing one campaign ad video, he has not formed a PAC, he has not filed a "Statement of Candidacy" form with the FEC, nor has he petitioned to be listed on the ballot of any of the 50 states.

(waiting for someone to say this joke is taken to)


I'd be careful of jumping onto his platform.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:58 pm 
 

marktheviktor wrote:
henkkjelle wrote:
:lol: You did? Well, I didn't see that.

Another one then..... he would still be a better president than romney.

Randy announced that he intended to run for President of the United States of America on January 5, 2012 via his personal blog. Despite releasing one campaign ad video, he has not formed a PAC, he has not filed a "Statement of Candidacy" form with the FEC, nor has he petitioned to be listed on the ballot of any of the 50 states.

(waiting for someone to say this joke is taken to)


I'd be careful of jumping onto his platform.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:02 pm 
 

I love news like this just for jokes like that. Fucking inspired.
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Well, that time spent in an Eastern European prison should provide inspiration for lyrical content.

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UNCHAIN_THE_WOLVES
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:05 pm 
 

WarriorFenix wrote:
UNCHAIN_THE_WOLVES wrote:
Fuckin joke... I'm no fan of Blythe or LOG but if some shit for brains fan wants to get himself on stage at a concert then you gotta be prepared to accept the concequences of your stupidity... shit happens



Not sure if serious......


Dead serious.

...and no I'm not a fan, you'd have to pay me to listen to LOG... everyone looks to shift blame these days... people must be accoutable for their actions... even if they are the unfortunate victim of their own stupidity...

Seriously if YOU tried to get on stage at a concert and got injured in the process who would you blame?

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Marag
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:11 pm 
 

What a dick

It helps that his music sounds like shit
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:02 am 
 

Fan is in idiot but Randy Blythe is still a fuck up. No amount of fame or glamour will save him.

Plus, he's a total dick. I remember he went on some huge e-rant about how genres are stupid and anyone who categorizes metal into any genres more specific than 'metal' is also stupid. He also used the word 'fuck' a lot to try and make his case. Genres aren't used so people can hypercategorize; they're there so you can find what metal you want. If I want more death metal, I sure as hell won't want to have to listen to 20 different songs before finding a single death metal song.

Anyways, that was kind of off topic. I think 5-10 years is excessive, but if he's convicted for any amount of time, I won't be phased.

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Indecency wrote:
Genres aren't used so people can hypercategorize; they're there so you can find what metal you want.


I don't want to open that can of worms, but a lot of people hypercategorize stuff with ridiculous labels that are easy to be annoyed at. There has been somewhat of a trend of bands trying to use unique labels for their music that don't tell you what music sounds like, when it can often easily be pigeonholed, or accurately described with a single genre label, a descriptor, and a band for reference (atmospheric black metal like early Arcturus, rough black/thrash like Blasphemy) when meaningless labels are used. You'll probably want to throw someone off a stage if you ever find people string together pointlessly long genre names like thinking man's depressive suicidal blackened funeral doom metal.

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Indecency wrote:
Fan is in idiot but Randy Blythe is still a fuck up. No amount of fame or glamour will save him.

Plus, he's a total dick. I remember he went on some huge e-rant about how genres are stupid and anyone who categorizes metal into any genres more specific than 'metal' is also stupid.


posers always play that card

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:35 am 
 

Zodijackyl wrote:
Indecency wrote:
Genres aren't used so people can hypercategorize; they're there so you can find what metal you want.


You'll probably want to throw someone off a stage if you ever find people string together pointlessly long genre names like thinking man's depressive suicidal blackened funeral doom metal.


Not to get too off-topic here, but I've always considered such adjectives simple descriptors referring to the sound and atmosphere of the music as opposed to a literal genre, the same way people refer to some movies as being "a thrilling action-adventure dramedy." Guess I just take it for granted that people reach that conclusion on their own...

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 3:11 am 
 

lol @free randy blythe on metalsucks
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:36 am 
 

There's no actual info at this point, guys. We don't know what happened. How come so many posters are so fucking quick to jump to conclusions, assign blame, and call such and such names whenever a rumor, allegation or accusation pops up in the news? Those who want to call someone a dick so bad, can't you wait for a bit of facts?

At this point, the only proven dick move in this story appears to be the waiting until the guy happens to come back to the country to get the legal procedure started. I'm truly baffled by this move. Imagine the band had split up, and thus Blythe had never returned to the Czech Republic, what then? They would have let 20+ years pass without doing anything, until eventually the case became obsolete (pending a check on Czech laws, I dunno)?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:52 am 
 

Does anyone have ANY facts? People are spreading gossip like little girls here!
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Opus wrote:
Does anyone have ANY facts? People are spreading gossip like little girls here!

What, did you expect everyone to calmly and patiently wait around until solid facts became available? :P It's a pretty big accusation made towards a big name in the metal community, and people are understandably going to want to talk about it, even if that talk is just baseless speculation for the time being.
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