Hy guys
I was trynig to found a reliable websites which deals with history, elements and so on, especially on goregrind and grindcore, but it's going to be better if I find a website of whole history and charateristics of all metal music.
I read many many website, but they are very in contrast among them. Then, I don't think that Wikipedia is a good source in metal range, so I ask you.

Thank every body.

What, this website tracks the history of specific genres and trends in metal? Please do point out the section where I can find this magical feature, as in my two years of obsessive nerding over the database I have not found anything resembling that!

He tried to be funny and witty and he failed, again.

There's some cool books about metal history, like Swedish Death Metal, but it's not a very scholar subject, I'm afraid. Good luck finding some "reliable" historic stuff on goregrind.

this thread is funny. . .

I didn't want to be funny. I'm really searching for a reliable website. It could be better even one about all metal, not strictly grindcore.

In Norway Black Metal is a school subject.

I don't know the URL, but Noktorn's blog probably has a lot of info about the history and evolution of goregrind.

http://trialbyordeal666.blogspot.com/

Might be able to find some content by searching the tags. However that's done...

You must realise that this is a very, very complicated topic just because of the fact that its a very subjective one.
Just ask what the first band of whatever genre was and there is a good chance that 10 people will name 7 different bands.
There is no "set in stone" data you can simply look up, so inform yourself, listen to bands and try to form your own opinion.
I could write down 10 pages of my opinion of that subject easily and there are even whole books on just single genres.
If this is for some schoolwork you´re doing, I´m not going to do it for you.

Actually I think Wikipedia does quite alright in describing elementary stuff about genres, especially historically where the genres came from and how.

I immediatly realise that this can be a very difficult topic, but I hope that this website has been the properest. However, I can't decide the history of a genre only listening and forming my own opinion. I agree with the fact that one band doesn't decide to make a new genre, but each band try to make his own genre, different from other bands. Then critics or other skilled people in this range try to generate a history and collect bands with much common elements in genres. So the genres are opinion by critics, not mine. The problem is who are the "true" and "reliable" critics or opinions, because in different sources I have found different opinions. Example on goregrind

Rym opinion -> mid-tempo rhythms
Wikipedia opinion -> very fast-tempo rhythms

Goregrind are a very extreme genre and I don't think that any bands make a "pure" goregrind. Ok, this is maybe a pedantic example, cause goregrind band can do both mid-tempo and very fast-tempo, but with this confusion I can't know what usually goregrind is.
Yes, you could tell me "if you listen to goregrind bands, you can decide what is more usually between fast and mid-tempo", but it depends on website that classify the bands: rym in mid-tempo , wikipedia in fast-tempo.
Then, other points, if there are some book on genres, as you said, indicate them, cause I don't know them. And also, I don't make this for any school project or something similar, I do this only for own knowledge's interest.

As I just said, wikipedia is not all bad website, but is different from what are in others, and i need a central point.








Thank a lot.

Uhmmm isn't goregrind just grindcore with an emphasis on gore themes? I never thought it was musically a different genre.

I think it is generally stuff derived primarily from early Carcass, both the sound and the themes. The differing commentaries on speed don't explain it fully - I have always seen a lot of goregrind and deathgrind bands going between really fast, grinding parts, and mid-speed grooves, highlighting that contrast rather than being one speed.

The formation of genres and simply applying labels is very subjective, and it is often only easy to sort out in retrospect.

If goregrind is just grindcore with gore lyrics, then blackened death metal is just death metal about Satan.

Depending on what strain of goregrind you're talking about, the genre can be really fast at times, but at its base it's basically full of really chunky, slow/mid-paced groove riffs. From there it can take more death metal influence (Carcass, Pathologist, Catasexual Urge Motivation), make the riffs and vocals more distorted and groovy (Cock and Ball Torture, Romeprop, Satan's Revenge on Mankind; this style is what people are, or should be, referring to when they mention "pornogrind"), or become extremely more abrasive and branch into noisegrind and gorenoise (for an example that more than three people here will be familiar with, Last Days of Humanity's Putrefaction in Progress). The latter two types basically have nothing to do with metal at all, other than a small scene overlap.

That's all fine and dandy and enlightening, but I have to say your "then blackened death metal is just death metal about satan" analogy was super shitty. Just reading that genre moniker, it's pretty obvious that it's going to be a mix of Black and Death Metal. When you read Goregrind, what comes to mind is Grindcore and Gore, not some elaborate description that takes influences from multiple genres like you just explained.

Hmm, I see your point, but the same could be said about any genre of metal. Someone whose experience with metal is limited to Iron Maiden might think that "death metal" is NWOBHM that talks about stabbing people. Of course, if you take the name of every single genre you see literally, you're going to have misconceptions.

Of course, but speaking from a position of awareness of the individual characteristics of every major sub-genre, Goregrind is still a pretty misleading moniker to someone that hasn't delved deep into it.

Not to be confused with these guys

Ok, in fact I said this is a "pedantic example": I agree with "I have always seen a lot of goregrind bands going between really fast, grinding parts, and mid-speed grooves, highlighting that contrast rather than being one speed."
I think that major differences with grindcore are in lower voice and in lyrical themes, instead speed can change. The fact is that I'm not completly sure of this.
Example:

goregrind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnuSFH_Nga4

grindcore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_5ISyuF ... re=related

The word "goregrind" was however invented by someone. I didn't invent this word, but many use it. Who invented this word wanted to group certain bands with important elements in common and my only care is to know these elements.

I like this website a lot: http://mapofmetal.com/#/home

It's a compilation of the different sub-genres, complete with short descriptions of each genre and examples of each genre in the form of links to Youtube videos in playlists for each genre that play on the site's page. The descriptions are sourced from Wiki and don't go into much depth but it seems fairly accurate. Most importantly, it covers a wide range of sub-genres within metal, and it does this without discrimination of some sub-genres that some in the metal scene consider "not metal". It even includes info and examples of genres of music related to metal (punk, hard rock, grunge, etc.).

And I LOVE the interface. It's a giant map you can navigate complete with a legend and even separated by chains into different decades, left to right! It's not perfect but it's so much fun and looks great. Obviously sub-genres within metal are highly subjective and hotly debated, but I think this site does a great job of compiling most of Metal into one site in an aesthetically attractive and informative way whilst getting the categorizations mostly right (again, can't say HOW right they are, because it's just too subjective).

Unfortunately quite a few of the links are dead, being from Youtube and subject to deletion. But the text is still there and you can find songs elsewhere yourself.

Also, while Wikipedia is just a basic central source, it's okay to use it if only for this very same function--a basic source. Use it more effectively by checking out the source links at the bottom for more specific info. (Don't know if you tried this or just read the text on the actual wiki page.)

Map of metal isn't a history site, just a light overview of the variety of styles.

Voices from the Darkside is a sick website that has a bit of historical info on it. Their interviews often go really in depth into influential and die hard bands and the scenes and influences as well as people the bands originated from. 10/10 metal site.

I agree it's a light overview, I pretty much said that though. However, I would still say it is historical. The descriptions cover the aural elements of the genres but also their origins, evolution, major bands, influences, geographic locations of the scene, etc--in other words, history. Also, the map itself presents evolution/influences/time period/etc in a visual way. I haven't researched everything in the descriptions myself, but I've done in depth research (as in, looking at academic resources, documentaries, interviews, etc.) on at least one of the sub-genres and I found all of the info on the site to be accurate.

Historical, if only a lighter version. It's the best attempt I've seen at a comprehensive site that focuses on history--a la the whole point of making the site a map, where the focus is on progression of the genre and development of the sub-genres. MA for example is much more detailed, but the focus there is really on individual bands.

Well, if you haven't delved deep into it, then you can't say you're aware of its individual characteristics as a subgenre, can you?

Pretty sure goregrind is grindcore with brutal death metal/slam influences

Not really. Goregrind does occasionally mix with slam (see The Mung, for example), but slam influence isn't exactly a sure-fire qualifier for a goregrind band. To follow your logic, Carcass would have been making slam in the late 80s, when it really took about a decade's worth of time after that for what people call "slam" nowadays to form.

The only slam influences would be the gutteral vocals that are sometimes more extreme than bdm not the music itself

anus.com

for crazy genres influencing metal
www.scaruffi.com/music.html

@Dillon: No, I can't. I was merely going with taking things at face value.

anus.com and the sites associated with it are not reliable.