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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:12 am 
 

Which are the albums you think have the best bass work?

I got the idea for this thread while listening (again) to Bolt Thrower's 'Those once loyal', and once more wondered why the hell didn't they give Jo Bench a similar sound/presence on all their records. She doesn't do anything flashy, but that is probably my favourite ever bass tone and is one of the many things that make it my top BT album (as well as everything else about it).

Maiden is another obvious one, and in fact I think the debut s/t is my favourite in this regard. 'Phantom of the opera' must be one of the band's best (if not THE best) bass-driven tracks ever.

Sadus must get a mention here. I find it impossible to listen to 'Chemical exposure' and 'Swallowed in black' without focussing on the madness that is Steve DiGiorgio. Fast, technical and the leading instrument by far.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:24 am 
 

Great bass performances in a classical way :
Black Sabbath "Dehumanizer"
Coroner "No More Color"

Great bass performances in a flashy way :
Cynic : Focus
Atheist : Piece Of Time (Roger Patterson fucking ruled)
Death : Individual Thought Patterns
Obscura : Akroasis
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krakhuul
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:38 am 
 

StarGazer have my favourite bass playing. Not only from a technical standpoint; the way the bass both complements the guitar and often takes the lead is basically second to none. Also, the bass guitar tone on A Merging to the Boundless is one of the best in terms of clarity/mix.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:20 am 
 

krakhuul wrote:
StarGazer have my favourite bass playing. Not only from a technical standpoint; the way the bass both complements the guitar and often takes the lead is basically second to none. Also, the bass guitar tone on A Merging to the Boundless is one of the best in terms of clarity/mix.

This is what I was coming to say. Damon is a beast, probably my favourite bass player in metal.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:38 am 
 

Seconding Dehumanizer. Fantastic bass work. Geezer is one of the greatest bass players of all time without a doubt. Always had the perfect balance between rhythm and melody, he also always had the burliest bass tone too. One of my biggest influences.

Steve Harris was always amazing in the 80's, especially on Powerslave which showcases one of the best bass performances of all time. Powerslave was the first album I learned how to play from start to finish and it's kinda special to me for that fact. Flash of the Blade, The Duellists, and the entire B-side have bass work that is in a league of its own.

I'll mention Dave Ellefson as arguably the best bass player in the thrash scene. He had the best stamina ever and the tightest, most pinpoint accurate playing ever. He was never too flashy but always played in perfect support of the song. The whole Rust in Peace album showcases his underrated ear for melody (Five Magics, Tornado of Souls), his furious stamina and speed combined with that brilliant accuracy (Holy Wars), and even his technical prowess (Take No Prisoners). While his technique holds zero influence on mine, I hold him in very high regard.

Vio-Lence's Eternal Nightmare has some of the best bass work in a thrash album too. Absolutely crushing mix of wicked bottom end hammering and tons of wicked scale runs and those badass flamenco chords.

There are tons more I could mention as well. I love bass.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:45 am 
 

Oh, and the bass playing on Hibria's Defying the Rules is freaking insane. Some of the most batshit crazy off the walls bass work I've ever heard. That dude must've been playing on super light gauge strings or something. Tapping sequences on almost every song and GOOD tapping sequences too not just wankery.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:17 pm 
 

Nobody mentions Manowar, while their stuff is heavily reliant on prominent bass lines. I guess that made their music quite recognizable. DeMaio often delivers interesting bass harmonies. Like on "Mountains"

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And one more thing, nothing special but I like that small harmony and the overall tone

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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:01 pm 
 

I'll go back and re-listen to 'Dehumanizer' again, it's been a while.

It's been even longer since I listened to Manowar, but I distinctly remember some killer lead bass in that.

Cheers guys, some good recs for me to check out there. I also love bass :)

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Lagartija
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:03 pm 
 

cacaman wrote:
Death : Individual Thought Patterns

That was Steve DiGiorgio, right?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:05 pm 
 

CYNIC "Focus" is #1.

Another top pick is WATCHTOWER - "Control and Resistance"

A personal favorite is the bass on VOIVOD's "Nothingface"
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:20 pm 
 

Obviously Lars Norberg's bass playing on Spiral Architect's only album. It was batshit crazy the first time I heard it, and it still is.

Same goes for Rainer Landfermann from Pavor's Furioso.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:33 pm 
 

the last album from !t.o.o.h.! comes to mind for some of its real funky basslines - there's even a bit of a bass solo on one of the tracks (i forget which... might have been the title track)

also check out gotsu totsu kotsu's last couple of albums (i'm less familiar with their earlier material) for fun, tight slap bass
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:37 pm 
 

I forgot to mention Chris Richards from Suffocation's Pierced From Within. I've always loved the bass playing on that album.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:17 pm 
 

Necronipple wrote:
I forgot to mention Chris Richards from Suffocation's Pierced From Within. I've always loved the bass playing on that album.


Breeding the Spawn is also really good from a bass player's perspective

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RNG
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:41 pm 
 

This thread is my sort of shit.

Ones I've already seen mentioned and will second:
- Damon Good from Stargazer/Cauldron Black Ram/. The work on The Scream That Tore The Sky is really unearthly-sounding.
- Doug Keyser of Watchtower. IT'S FUCKNITG WATCHTOWER OF COURSE HE'S A GOD AT HIS INSTRUMENT
- Tony Choy of Atheist. Elements has my favorite performance out of any of Atheist's albums, actually.
- Rainer from Pavor. A bit of an overplayer, but a unique approach for the time. And it's hard to square his performance with the fact that he's the vocalist from Bethlehem. Like, ???
- Marco Panichi from Hibria. Fuck, their first two albums go so hard.
- DeMaio from Manowar. His bass solo tracks are hilarious too. BLACK ARROWZ 4 LYFE \mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm/

As for my own picks... About half of these are Japanese, since Japan has some dope bassists, and also since I'm a fuckin' megaweeb.
So, in rough order...

- Hibiki from Light Bringer/Alhambra/Mardelas/Saber Tiger/Silex/etc. All I really need to defend my pick of this guy as my favorite metal bassist is that first link. His slap lines are absolutely absurd and I don't even have words for that ending solo. It's so pretty and soulful and bluesy.

- Munehisa Jinbo from Marge Litch and Alhambra's debut. In keeping with Japanese symph-prog tradition (see Novela, Vienna, etc.) his basswork is a lot more maximalist than you'd hear in most power metal. He's a much more aggressive player than Hibiki though his work isn't quite as pretty. But still, I love this super-flamboyant style, and you don't see it much in metal.

- Brent Sullivan of Slauter Xstroyes. Knowing that there was a heavy metal bassist doing fucking fusion breaks in 1985 is just beyond baffling. The interplay he has with the guitarist is oddly dissonant at times, too. Oh and, among the American prog-power bands abbreviated as SX, these guys are definitely the best.

- Blacky of Voivod. Easily the most technical member of Voivod, in a conventional sense. He's a lot less minimal than the rest of the band - Piggy's technicality is more based on timing and weird fretting, but Blacky just has crazy note density. But he's about as important to the band's sound as Piggy. I'll fanboy Voivod to my fucking grave so of course he's on here.

- Cygnus from Ne Obliviscaris/Vipassi/Infinite Density. First half of Forget Not, 'nuff said. Such a graceful and evocative style.

- Franco Avalli of Adramelch. Mostly notable because his tone is so dominant, due to the weird guitar tone. He seems to lead the direction of the tracks a lot and his gallop riffs are god-tier.

- Koh Morota of Doom. One of the first fretless bassists in metal. As for his sound? This analogy goes for the whole band really, but he sounds like Voivod's bassist being sucked through the Warp from Warhammer 40K. Dude was eclectic as hell though, and dabbled in fusion bass too.

- ChaotH of Unexpect. Dudes, just listen to that bassline at :38. This guy knows what he's doing, that 9-string monster isn't just for show. Watch his playthrough of Words, too - he switches so seamlessly between tapping and slapping and sweeping. In music as dynamic as Unexpect's, having a bassist who can underpin the sound with a cohesive yet eclectic style is vital to making the music sound coherent.

- Tom Brenneis of Annon Vin. That band fuckin' cared about bass work, I tell you what. The way the bass is used here is the furthest thing from the role it plays in most prog metal - it's the primary melodic instrument at least as much as the vocals and guitar are, and the band's weird harmonies are massively bolstered by the exploratory playing.

- Several of Defiled's bassists, including Norihisa Fukuda and Haruhisa Takahata. Takahata also plays on Gotsu Totsu Kotsu, as well as In Crisis, which is probably their most technical work. I like the performance on Divination most, though, due to nostalgia maybe - Fukuda is a lot less slap-happy and his harmonics add more to the alien and amorphous guitar riffs. Anyways, Defiled fucking rule and they're super underrated.

- Sebastian Painchaud from Winter Bestowed. Winter Bestowed's EP is to the modern Quebecois tech death sound (Quo Vadis, Beyond Creation, Augury) as Prometheus' divine spark is to humanity's ability to use fire. Their songs are embryonic but have a fire and passion so far beyond anything else I've ever heard from QC. And the fact that the band were all high schoolers when they wrote the songs... Anyways, any on the band members would belong on their equivalent lists, but hearing Sebastian's bass slides on the final track Winter Bestowed is just unreal.

- Yosuke from Octaviagrace/Cross Vein. Octaviagrace and Cross Vein are what happened when the gods of music saw that Light Bringer were too powerful, and decided to split their combination of instrumental skill and glittery J-pop atmosphere into two lesser entities. Octaviagrace have more audible bass-work since their symphonics aren't as, well, ridiculous as Cross Vein - but Yosuke's performance in both bands is some pretty funky stuff.

- Futoshi of Swarrrm. Of course, when I find a grind band where the bassist is the most technically impressive member, they're Japanese. Just makes sense. I think he is just really drunk and thinks he's playing in a prog band.

- Masaki from Zigoku Quartet. He gives zero fucks.

I could actually mention a lot more (Dissona, Auvernia, Matraz, Power of Omens, Vuvr, Spastic Ink, etc.) but for the sake of readability I'll stop.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:15 pm 
 

Necronipple wrote:
Same goes for Rainer Landfermann from Pavor's Furioso.

It should be noted that Rainer pretty much out-Rainers himself in "A Pale Debilitating Autumn" just by the sheer amount of bass solos once you consider that said album has two guitar players.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:12 am 
 

cacaman wrote:
Great bass performances in a classical way :
Black Sabbath "Dehumanizer"
Coroner "No More Color"

Great bass performances in a flashy way :
Cynic : Focus
Atheist : Piece Of Time (Roger Patterson fucking ruled)
Death : Individual Thought Patterns
Obscura : Akroasis


I was going to mention both Focus and Akroasis. Akroasis seems to have gone somewhat under the radar this year, but I think that it is a really solid release and has some great bass.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:16 am 
 

Mayhem: De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:57 am 
 

Im seconding Watchtower's Control & Resistance !! and this guy from Spiral Architect's album.
Their performances were huge, with a real balance between innovation, intricate playing and melody.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:49 am 
 

...And Justice for All.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:15 am 
 

Doom metal has produced a lot of great bass work, starting with Black Sabbath, especially on Master Of Reality and Paranoid.

There is some other amazing bass work in doom, like on Electric Wizard's massive and distortioned mastodon Dopethrone, and on Bongripper's progressive masterpiece Satan Worshipping Doom.

I think Sean Malone's work with both Cynic, especially on Focus, and with Aghora on their self-titled LP, is also worth mentioning. Great creative musician, mad chops!

The death metal band Blood Red Throne is renowned for it's AMAZING bass guitar. If the band's main focus is on the guitar riffs, the work of the now ex-bassist of the band Erlend Caspersen was fucking phenomenal on Altered Genesis, which is a masterpiece of modern death metal (Tortured Soul Appearance and Smite are personal favorites when it comes to tracks). He was also quite remarkable on Come Death, the tracks Deranged Assassin and Slaying the Lamb instantly pops to my mind for this record.

Alex Webster's work with Cannibal Corpse is also quite phenomenal. I especially like his work on Tomb of the Mutilated and Bloodthirst. But Webster also worked with the guitar virtuoso and fantastic song-writer Ron Jarzombek in the band Blotted Science. If you don't know the album The Machinations of Dementia by now, you should definitely listen to that beast!

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:59 am 
 

He doesn't do anything particularly special, but the grimy flavoring that Joe Keyser adds to anything Skinless has done is a huge factor in enjoying their work.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:23 am 
 

Any Sabbath album but I have to give a special mention to Master Of Reality simply for Lord Of This World. The bits where the climatic guitar solos happen. The bass playing on those sections behind the guitar is just unreal.

Also, not metal as such but Lemmy's bass work on Hawkwind's Space Ritual is astonishing.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:31 am 
 

MawBTS wrote:
...And Justice for All.

:-D

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:54 am 
 

I've always been a big fan of Markus Grosskopf from Helloween. His work on the s/t EP and the Walls of Jericho album especially, for me it's the perfect balance of locking in with the riffs and drums, but also taking the opportunities for runs and fills.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:18 am 
 

MawBTS wrote:
...And Justice for All.

Actually the bass work is really good on this record.
The problem is we cannot hear a shit Image. Ive only noticed how good it was when i put my hands on the Justice For Jason mix.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:51 am 
 

The thread will be incomplete without Venom and Motorhead, some killer bass performances there.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:52 am 
 

Thy Darkened Shade's Liber Lvcifer I has the best bass performance in the history of black metal. It's not only epic and dynamic, it's mixed perfectly and is just as loud as the guitars and turns an incredible album into a perfect one.

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I really love the bass work on Angel Witch's self titled.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:48 pm 
 

As far as black/death metal is concerned, Necromantia is easily the ultimate example. They are fucking bass maniacs, all riffs and harmonies are done with bass guitars

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Some great choices here. TS mentioning Jo Bench on Those Once Loyal is a perfect example of how the sound can be of such a great importance that it doesn't matter that what is played really isn't anything special but it still brings such a great deal to the recording.

On a similar note the bass sound on The Haunteds album The Dead Eye is great. Worth it for that alone.

Another favourite of mine is King Diamonds Abigail. The bass is clear and precise. Not flashy but always keeping it interesting.

Tool in general is a beast when it comes to the bass. Mixes the instrument as a rhythmic and a melodic instrument. Experiments with the sounds to great effect and the playing is impeccable. Example; 10,000 Days.

Obscura with the albums Cosmogenesis and Omnivium. Flashy playing bur with a very musical ear. The melodies often work with whatever the guitar is doing, sometimes the bass takes the lead. It is technical, it is fast but never feeling flashy for flashys sake. I prefer these two albums, featuring Jeroen Paul Thesseling, to the latest album, featuring Linus Klausenitzer. I think Thesseling is on another level.

krakhuul wrote:
StarGazer have my favourite bass playing. Not only from a technical standpoint; the way the bass both complements the guitar and often takes the lead is basically second to none.


This!

I also want to mention Dave Ellefsson. Mostly because of his ability to play tight and always cut through nicely. Probably a little underrated when it comes to an ear for melody but honestly his main strength, where few other can compete, is the tightness of his playing.

I quite like Joey DeMaio and his sound as long as he doesn't try to solo. He's a horrible solo bass player but I like the character he brings to Manowars sound with his piccolo bass is undeniable.

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Interesting choice. I always enjoy the bass playing on this one whenever I hear it. Its simple but doesn't just follow suit. I wouldn't put it up there among my favourites but it is much better than I think many people give it credit for. Most of the time people seem to only note who is playing the bass and not what is being played. The small added flavours on Life Eternal for example. Very simple but super effective. Varg has been using the bass in a very interesting and inspiring way in his own work as well especially the post prison black metal albums.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 3:30 pm 
 

cacaman wrote:
MawBTS wrote:
...And Justice for All.

Actually the bass work is really good on this record.
The problem is we cannot hear a shit Image. Ive only noticed how good it was when i put my hands on the Justice For Jason mix.

I'd like to listen to that, I think it has great songs ('Blackened' is a killer) but I can't listen to it because of the fucking dry, bass-less production...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:14 pm 
 

Oh, I probably avoided mentioning them because it'd open a can of worms, but Dir en Grey's bass player, Toshiya, is pretty amazing, especially on Dum Spiro Spero and Arche. Amazing band in general but he's easily the most technically interesting member besides Kyo.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:39 pm 
 

Lagartija wrote:
I'd like to listen to that, I think it has great songs ('Blackened' is a killer) but I can't listen to it because of the fucking dry, bass-less production...


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I like Dominic "Forest" Lapointe his bass playing on Augury and Beyond Creation latest albums (I prefer the previous ones more, but in the sense of bass playing the later ones rule).
Some good mentions around here.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:34 am 
 

A few more examples of extreme metal songs with an overall active (and effective) involvement of bass guitar


I like that gloomy and morbid feel given off by bass during doomy sections 1:42
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early Marduk (when they were far less savage) made clever use of bass guitar and it was crucial for maintaining a sorrowful atmosphere.

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Rompestromper wrote:
I like Dominic "Forest" Lapointe his bass playing on Augury and Beyond Creation latest albums (I prefer the previous ones more, but in the sense of bass playing the later ones rule).
Some good mentions around here.



He's a good bassist, but I like his work in Teramobil best. He also had a pretty great performance on that one Atheretic album.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:57 pm 
 

I second Markus Grosskopf on ''Walls Of Jericho'' and add Steve DiGiorgio on ''Severed Survival''.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:37 pm 
 

Anyone into Mexican Death Metal? This band has awesome bass work both in the demo and the full-length. They have two guitar players as well as two bassists. A "lead" bass and a "rhythm" bass.
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Job For A Cowboy evolved from being a crappy deathcore band to a fairly decent tech death band. Their latest album Sun Eater has some straight up amazing bass.
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