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oneyoudontknow
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:07 pm 
 

The previous edition can be found here.

The information provided in these graphs was obtained through the Metal Archives database; date: 2012-01-01. It reflects a vague snapshot on how the metal scene and their subgenres have developed over the years. Each point represents one inquiry on 'releases per year per genre'. As the description of the aspect of the genre is assigned to the band's sites and not to the release/s (see Discogs for instance), a lack of precision in the overall result can be identified. Nevertheless, a certain trend can still be discovered and the graphs can be used for the purpose of discussions.

Here all the graphs can be found:
http://www.archive.org/details/Evolutio ... nuary12012
(I messed up the url a bit :/)

Complete:

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Black Metal, Death Metal, Thrash Metal, Doom Metal, Heavy Metal and Power Metal:

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Power Metal, Speed Metal, Folk Metal, Gothic Metal, Grindcore and NWoBHM

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separate graphs for each genre has been uploaded at the Internet Archive entry as well.


Some comparisons:
Black Metal (2010-2011)
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/BlackMetal2010-2011.png

Death Metal (2010-2011)
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/DeathMetal2010-2011.png

Doom Metal (2010-2011)
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/DoomMetal2010-2011.png

Heavy Metal (2010-2011)
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/HeavyMetal2010-2011.png

Thrash Metal (2010-2011)
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/ThrashMetal2010-2011.png

Releases per month:
http://www.archive.org/download/Evoluti ... rMonth.png

Submissions per month:
http://www.archive.org/download/Evoluti ... rMonth.png

Total of releases:
http://www.archive.org/download/Evoluti ... leases.png

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Difference between this query and the previous one:
- the use of wildcards (black* instead of black)
- the new search engine of the MA software.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:25 pm 
 

I wonder what kind of influence the general popularity of the metal archives site has on this data set, or even the relative popularity of some lesser known bands?

It would be interesting to see information graphing the number of releases this year from bands with 2 releases or more this year. I guess this would also introduce a 'newcomer' bias, as we would be restricting our sample to bands with relative success only. But it would be rater cool from a heavy metal band efficiency track record anyways.



I don't find it to be any surprise that metal album output is trending negatively, but i am surprised that there was a peak in 2006. Does anyone have any insight to why this may be?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:12 pm 
 

well, that was around the time of the shitty thrash revival.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:17 pm 
 

Wowza....yeah, that thrash revival was a bit bigger than I expected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:20 pm 
 

PeachPit wrote:
I don't find it to be any surprise that metal album output is trending negatively, but i am surprised that there was a peak in 2006. Does anyone have any insight to why this may be?


The recession hit the metal scene pretty hard, apparently.
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To clarify, the numbers on the y-axis represent releases, not bands, right?
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KerberosOfHades wrote:
PeachPit wrote:
I don't find it to be any surprise that metal album output is trending negatively, but i am surprised that there was a peak in 2006. Does anyone have any insight to why this may be?


The recession hit the metal scene pretty hard, apparently.


Well he said the archives database was used for the info, so it could be a lot of the releases from the most recent years haven't been added yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:13 am 
 

MalignantThrone wrote:
To clarify, the numbers on the y-axis represent releases, not bands, right?

yes...
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Krav wrote:
Well he said the archives database was used for the info, so it could be a lot of the releases from the most recent years haven't been added yet.

that is true, but if you calculate the aspect of split albums, multiple genre information out and add the new releases to the database, then you should not see much of a difference.
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lol wtf is grindcore doing on there
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:32 am 
 

oneyoudontknow wrote:
that is true, but if you calculate the aspect of split albums, multiple genre information out and add the new releases to the database, then you should not see much of a difference.


I don't quite follow what you mean. Are you saying that each split album is counted multiple times based on how many bands contributed and also that if a band is listed as having multiple genres, each release is counted multiple times based on the number of genres the band represents? If so, why would that have anything to do with the archives not containing a lot of newer releases? And if this information has been included in all of the previous years, how would cutting it out of the recent years make any accurate trend?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:51 pm 
 

im personally also really interested in a comparison with last year.
Im getting the idea that there really was a peak and now a drop not just that a lot of releases have not been added yet.
Yet i think there might be a very simple explanation. How many new bands release digital only demos? Digital only releases dont get added to the archives right?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:10 pm 
 

2006 I think was the peak of popularity for a lot of the big modern 'gateway' metalcore, gothenburg, etc bands. Like them or not, seems like the massive popularity of those bands were reflective of a very healthy metal scene.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:30 pm 
 

NWOBHM is making a comeback

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:52 pm 
 

StevenWright wrote:
lol wtf is grindcore doing on there

because of the amount of releases per year that are 'grindcore'. Just look at the numbers.

Krav wrote:
oneyoudontknow wrote:
that is true, but if you calculate the aspect of split albums, multiple genre information out and add the new releases to the database, then you should not see much of a difference.


I don't quite follow what you mean. Are you saying that each split album is counted multiple times based on how many bands contributed and also that if a band is listed as having multiple genres, each release is counted multiple times based on the number of genres the band represents? If so, why would that have anything to do with the archives not containing a lot of newer releases? And if this information has been included in all of the previous years, how would cutting it out of the recent years make any accurate trend?

No, I have said something incorrect there, sorry. I was under the impression that split releases would separate per entry; like in the older days of the MA software and would still count per site; which is not true, because I checked it for one year.

If you add the genres per release and then more specifically, then you can calculate the error out. To get a more accurate result the numbers should be multiplied with some kind of factor (.6-.7 I would predict).

The issue with the missing releases:
currently there are ~5K bands with missing releases. When you add this up, then you do not get much of a difference. Remember, 40 years and at least 11 genres do not add much. Maybe 100 up at some year, but certainly not more.

atokad234 wrote:
NWOBHM is making a comeback

No, doom metal is.
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/DoomMetal2010-2011.png
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tomcat_ha wrote:
im personally also really interested in a comparison with last year.
Im getting the idea that there really was a peak and now a drop not just that a lot of releases have not been added yet.
Yet i think there might be a very simple explanation. How many new bands release digital only demos? Digital only releases dont get added to the archives right?


Take a look at these four graphs:

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The first one, done in August 2009.

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2009 (complete) (done: 2010-01-01)

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2010 (done: 2011-01-01)

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2011 (done:2012-01-01):
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When you see these three graphs, then you can see a certain direction:
more releases are added and especially the death metal curve heads for the 5K line; but this time I have used a wildcard and the same result might have been created before as well would the new search had been available back then. The comparison is not without problems.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:50 pm 
 

http://www.archive.org/download/Evoluti ... 0-2011.png

Are the 2011 and 2010 lines incorrectly labelled here? My logic says that the 2011 curve must be higher than the 2010 curve, since more previous releases would have been added by this time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:03 pm 
 

not that I didn't find this interesting to some point but this makes me wonder what people spend their time for ;)
Anyway, cool that NWOBHM is the only genre ascending while all others were decreasing in 2011.
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PeachPit wrote:
I don't find it to be any surprise that metal album output is trending negatively, but i am surprised that there was a peak in 2006. Does anyone have any insight to why this may be?


Probably because there are all sorts of tapes and CDrs printed in 30 copies lying in some Hungarian basements which can take a few years to be "discovered" by a m-a contributor.

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Forbinator wrote:
http://www.archive.org/download/EvolutionOfThemetalGenre2011Datajanuary12012/BlackMetal2010-2011.png

Are the 2011 and 2010 lines incorrectly labelled here? My logic says that the 2011 curve must be higher than the 2010 curve, since more previous releases would have been added by this time.

remember, the site has a new search engine, which leads to new results. The drop could be attributed to the split albums, which are now assigned to one site and not to 'one per participating band', like it had been before.
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Hmmm...this is curious. Quick question. Is the Deathcore subgenre counted as Death Metal? While we're at it, where would Metalcore fall under?

At any rate, Black Metal seems to be on the rise, and if the trend continues (of course, that could change easily), it might be the future of Metal. I'm looking forward to that. I also look forward to NWOBHM bands reforming and producing new albums. The rise of Doom Metal will hopefully bring forward better bands; getting rather sick of Reverend Bizarre syndrome and stoner clones. Retro Thrash will hopefully peter out, and maybe, just maybe, actual 80s Thrash Metal bands will be resurrected once awareness of these bands spreads across the scene; unfortunately, many thrashers still remain in the dark. Death Metal had its run; wouldn't cry when it's the time to sound its death knell.
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Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Hmmm...this is curious. Quick question. Is the Deathcore subgenre counted as Death Metal? While we're at it, where would Metalcore fall under?

Deathcore? See Death metal, due to the wildcard: death*

Metalcore ... hm ... I did not do a separate search, but I might do one next year. 530 hits in 2009 but a lot of genre mash-up; death, thrash etc.

What I will do next year as well is a separate query only on full-length releases, which would eliminate a lot of the black metal dominance.
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SwarteHeap wrote:
PeachPit wrote:
I don't find it to be any surprise that metal album output is trending negatively, but i am surprised that there was a peak in 2006. Does anyone have any insight to why this may be?


Probably because there are all sorts of tapes and CDrs printed in 30 copies lying in some Hungarian basements which can take a few years to be "discovered" by a m-a contributor.


like i said earlier, i have the suspicion that traditional demos are slowly vanishing and are being replaced by digital demos thus only their actual full length album releases appear here.

Just a suspicion though.

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tomcat_ha wrote:
like i said earlier, i have the suspicion that traditional demos are slowly vanishing and are being replaced by digital demos thus only their actual full length album releases appear here.


If that's true, it might be interesting to make an alternate version of the graph that doesn't contain demos.
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Would be interesting to see death doom, funeral doom, stoner etc separately.

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Interesting stuff and fun to look at the data.

It might also be fun to see timelines of peoples' interest levels in the various genres somehow, i.e. popularity of the given music over the years specific to individual MA members, though some sites track your genre-based popularity based on your collection. Maybe this site does that too and I'm just unaware of it.
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oneyoudontknow wrote:
because of the amount of releases per year that are 'grindcore'. Just look at the numbers.


That doesn't mean it has anything to do with metal
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Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Hmmm...this is curious. Quick question. Is the Deathcore subgenre counted as Death Metal? While we're at it, where would Metalcore fall under?


Deathcore is a fusion genre of metalcore and death metal therefore it is not metal
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StevenWright wrote:
Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Hmmm...this is curious. Quick question. Is the Deathcore subgenre counted as Death Metal? While we're at it, where would Metalcore fall under?


Deathcore is a fusion genre of metalcore and death metal therefore it is not metal

That I knew. I was just curious if it was counted with other Death Metal bands, and apparently, it was under the wildcard.
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StevenWright wrote:
Muhammadabbadabba wrote:
Hmmm...this is curious. Quick question. Is the Deathcore subgenre counted as Death Metal? While we're at it, where would Metalcore fall under?


Deathcore is a fusion genre of metalcore and death metal therefore it is not metal

Metalcore can be classified as metal. Your statement is broad and ignorant.
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Scrafty wrote:

Metalcore can be classified as metal. Your statement is broad and ignorant.


Metalcore lacks the metal song structure and is too post hardcore to be metal, you would know that if you knew anything about metal

Editted; before it said 'has too post hardcore' but that was a Freudian slip I mean 'is too post hardcore'
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StevenWright wrote:
Scrafty wrote:

Metalcore can be classified as metal. Your statement is broad and ignorant.


Metalcore lacks the metal song structure and has too post hardcore to be metal, you would know that if you knew anything about metal


What does song structure have to do with it? Do you seriously think song structure defines what is metal and what isn't? EVERY song structure has been done in metal and EVERY song structure has been done in hardcore. Most metalcore borrows from melodic hardcore, not post hardcore, so don't try schooling everyone. Most metalcore is metal whether you like the genre or not.
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With that being said, in the past few years, there has been a big surge in metalcore, deathcore, post hardcore, melodic hardcore, (i.e. core and core/metal hybrids) and djent, all of which are often left off the archives. I think the decline is because these genres are stealing fans.

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StevenWright wrote:
Scrafty wrote:

Metalcore can be classified as metal. Your statement is broad and ignorant.


Metalcore lacks the metal song structure and has too post hardcore to be metal, you would know that if you knew anything about metal

I'm assuming you also think Slayer stopped being good after Show No Mercy, Emperor stopped being good after their first demo, and Pantera were only good when Kerry King was with them? Get out.
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Scrafty wrote:
I'm assuming you also think Slayer stopped being good after Show No Mercy, Emperor stopped being good after their first demo, and Pantera were only good when Kerry King was with them? Get out.


I hope you realize that comment makes 0 sense, logic or reason and only proves how dumb you are
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bearkin wrote:

What does song structure have to do with it? Do you seriously think song structure defines what is metal and what isn't? EVERY song structure has been done in metal and EVERY song structure has been done in hardcore. Most metalcore borrows from melodic hardcore, not post hardcore, so don't try schooling everyone. Most metalcore is metal whether you like the genre or not.


Yes, go learn what a song structure is or go learn what metal is
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:20 am 
 

Would you mind stopping derailing the thread?
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grauer_mausling wrote:
not that I didn't find this interesting to some point but this makes me wonder what people spend their time for ;)
Anyway, cool that NWOBHM is the only genre ascending while all others were decreasing in 2011.

If you check the NWOBHM specific graph you'll see that they also peaked in 2006, with around 42 or 43 releases, which isn't much but it's the highest since 1987.

Anyways, they could possibly top that because a lot of old bands are now more popular because of the internet and some are officially releasing old demos and obscure tracks.

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sorry don't get what this is saying, thrash peaked a few years ago and comparing it to late 80's it's 3 times as bi, better, more popular or whatever your trig to covey.

i am seriously missing the point here?

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