This! The funny thing is that Dunn's episodes on Glam and Nu-Metal started with his statement of disliking both sub-genres. Yet he spent the whole hour wanking around on each, yet a majority of metal fans around the world would dismiss the whole notion of those two subs even being a part of a true metal.

And on the other hand the most extreme subs (DM, BM) are not even have their own episode. What a joke that guy is. Though in all honesty I think that Much Music has something to do with that. However that does not excuses the fact that Dunn obviously dislikes DM and BM even more than Glam and Nu. Hi is just like that moronic writer Martin Popoff who has spent his whole life listening (and writing about) stadium rock and claiming that what Metal is.

The obvious thing here is that Dunn knows about a shit about metal and dislikes the most extreme genres, which are the ones who keep the 'metal' alive these days.

This is a horribly misguided post. If he starts out saying that he dislikes the subgenres, he's not going to spend the entire hour saying "this genre sucks, and here's why". He's going to actually do some research about the history of it and try to come to a conclusion about the genre. I didn't see the Glam episode, but he still re-iterated his opinion at the end of the Nu-Metal one. Of course he had to say that it was important to Metal because he's on Much Music.

The only thing you got right was that Much Music made these decisions. Dunn does like Death Metal (I'm not sure about Black Metal, but he has covered it before and does accept it as a big part of Metal), but he doesn't call the shots here. He probably suggested episodes and was shot down. Both of those genres are big to us, but they really aren't that big compared to Glam and Nu-Metal, especially when compared with Much Music's demographic.

The problem with everyone criticizing Dunn is that the hate should be directed to Much Music (I thought it was VH1). The only thing I haven't been impressed with is a few of the categorizations under his Metal tree. Which also brings up the point that Metal-Archives is not the be-all end-all of Metal. I don't consider everything on Dunn's tree to be Metal, but I also don't think anything outside of the Archives is not Metal.

Knocking Martin Popoff about his opinion of what metal is when he has been writing about the genre virtually since inception makes me LOL. Can't lie, even if I don't necessarily agree with all his opinions. That is the definition of what I mean as a 90s centric viewpoint. If we can just ignore history arbitrarily as is often the case with the 70s and metal, why stop there? Might as well argue Krieg is punk.

This is a horribly misguided post. If he starts out saying that he dislikes the subgenres, he's not going to spend the entire hour saying "this genre sucks, and here's why". He's going to actually do some research about the history of it and try to come to a conclusion about the genre. I didn't see the Glam episode, but he still re-iterated his opinion at the end of the Nu-Metal one. Of course he had to say that it was important to Metal because he's on Much Music.

The only thing you got right was that Much Music made these decisions. Dunn does like Death Metal (I'm not sure about Black Metal, but he has covered it before and does accept it as a big part of Metal), but he doesn't call the shots here. He probably suggested episodes and was shot down. Both of those genres are big to us, but they really aren't that big compared to Glam and Nu-Metal, especially when compared with Much Music's demographic.

Does not really makes any difference if its him or Much Music refused to to Death/Black Metal show.

It makes every bit of difference.

The difference between being green-lit and being fired.

Thats a difference to him not to the fans who expects a show to be what it actually was meant to.

Keeping in mind that it is made by mainstream media, do you really expect they are accurate in their definition of Metal and actually want extreme metal to get any media exposure?

No, I don't. That's why the show is FAIL. But as I said, an MTV generation will be happy no matter what.

You do realize VH1's target audience is 30-50 year old conservative blue-collar males, right?

You do know how said audience would react to Gorguts and Darkthrone, right?

Considering the series started out with hard rock groups of the 60s, it's not a show aimed at the MTV audience (otherwise, they would have nixed the 60s material altogether).

It's aimed at the middle-aged and older men who grew up with the stuff.

It's more like writing a show and leaving out parts that are harder to market.

Dude, I am 41. Guess what, I would react to Gorguts and Darkthrone just fine. My issue is that an entire show targets audience who discovered "metal" when Black Album came out or Nirvana came along.

If you're 41, then most of your peers are people who discovered metal vis-a-vis stuff like the Black Album or Motley Crue. 98% of the posters here are younger than you, and probably a goodly number of them by a factor of a decade or more. The actual majority of people this show happen to very much like Motley Crue/Metallica/GNR/etc and probably would react rather unfavorably to an episode devoted to the likes of Darkthrone and the ilk. But more importantly than that, the advertisers underwriting the show probably don't give a hot damn about associating their products with Cannibal Corpse, Mayhem, Death, Morbid Angel, et al

Yeah. Except, you know, he was the bassist for a black metal band. And a death metal group. And he's covered the extreme genres in the Headbanger's Journey movie, which was made independently without studio intrusions.

Are you sure that Sam in Dementia is Sam Dunn? If so, the artist pages should be merged...

I was just looking at his chart and the one category says "goth metal (aka doom metal on the dvd)". Then under that are listed some doom metal bands. What's up with doom metal being called goth metal?

Also, just a little tidbit I only pointed out today. A bit pointless, but I'll say it. During some of these episodes, they were interviewing this guy (forget who his name is) and on his wall, he had the artwork for Suffocation's Effigy of the Forgotten. And on the shelf just above that was a picture of Lil' Beeper from Tiny Toon Adventures. You know, because Tiny Toons are fucking metal.

Tiny Toons are so fucking metal, I don't know what you're smoking

Tiny Toons are so fucking metal, I don't know what you're smoking