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Subrick
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:08 pm 
 

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/arch-e ... ff-loomis/

Well that was certainly unexpected. Not much can save this band as they are LONG past the point of no return, but at least it'll be cool to see Loomis and Amott trade solos.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:24 pm 
 

This would've been kinda cool news like 10 years ago

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Indecency
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:53 pm 
 

Hey, I didn't think their new album was that bad. I still wouldn't see them live though (I actually skipped their show a couple weeks ago) and I have no idea how Jeff Loomis can fit in with them.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:05 pm 
 

I remember when Nevermore broke out in 1995. I listened to the self titled a lot more than I should have under normal circumstances, not because it was good but because in the 90s, shittiest decade for metal, you took what you could get in the pre-file-sharing era.

I didn't feel the band was great, but it wasn't as annoying as all the tough guy, cargo short-wearing, pogo-jumping shit out there. I felt the band had potential.

Then 1996 happened.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:35 pm 
 

Awesome, I've always thought Arch Enemy needed a better songwriter!

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JohnTheDrummer
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:52 pm 
 

Negative Negative Negative :lol:

This is awesome. Loomis can shred and its about time he gets into an actual band instead of instrumental/solo stuff like hes been doing since Nevermore broke up. I am not into Arch Enemy much at all anymore, but this will be interesting to see what happens! I feel that his style will fit in with them just fine.
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TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:11 pm 
 

Maybe I'll start giving a fuck about Arch Enemy. Not that never more were great...but the Obsidian Conspiracy and Dead Heart were good.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:42 pm 
 

Unexpected indeed. Michael Amott and Jeff Loomis is something of a dream lineup. If Loomis does more than tour with them and actually lends his hand to songwriting, Arch Enemy could have a really solid album in their future. I liked their latest one, though. It's the first Arch Enemy album I've heard since Doomsday Machine, so I'm not sure how far off track they went after that. Judging by some of the opinions here I'd guess pretty badly, but again, I thought War Eternal was fine.

I missed them when they came around a few weeks ago, I'm saddened to say. I absolutely want to see this lineup should Jeff Loomis still be in the band when they come back to the US.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:07 pm 
 

Sadly, I don't think even Loomis can save that trainwreck... but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't make me curious to hear what they'll do next.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:12 pm 
 

It won't change anything in the band's sound or commercial approach, given that Mike is still behind the steering wheel pressing the cruise control button. On top of that Angela went behind the curtains to manage the band, so with those two at the helm and a financially profitable formula I don't see anyone changing anything with Arch Enemy. Loomis will just be another hired gun, and one that just so happens to sell more tickets on his name alone than Nick ever did.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:00 pm 
 

he won't stay long... if he couldn't handle the ego clashes with Warrel, I doubt he'll be able to handle Mike+Angela.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:16 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
he won't stay long... if he couldn't handle the ego clashes with Warrel, I doubt he'll be able to handle Mike+Angela.

Are you aware of the band's lineup?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:31 pm 
 

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:34 pm 
 

Cursarion wrote:
Are you aware of the band's lineup?


Angela is still the band's manager and Mike's gf, I doubt it'd make much difference if she also sang...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:41 pm 
 

aloof wrote:
Cursarion wrote:
Are you aware of the band's lineup?


Angela is still the band's manager and Mike's gf, I doubt it'd make much difference if she also sang...

Oh, didn't know they're in a relationship. Regardless, a good manager kinda shouldn't have an ego which clashes with musicians, but hers does?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:49 pm 
 

we'll see :D
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:12 pm 
 

This is definitely an interesting move and may be beneficial to everyone involved. Sadly, I haven't had as much interest in the stuff Loomis has done since Nevermore as I'm not much of a death metal fan.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:07 am 
 

Would be interesting if Jeff became a songwriter for the band. I liked his first instrumental Zero Order Phase a lot, and if he could add the 7-string tonal range into AE's sound that'd be pretty cool too.

Then again, AE already plays at C standard (and previously B standard) which is somewhat just half a step above a 7 string guitar but they don't have the high E string to use.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:06 am 
 

I continue to love Arch Enemy, however uncool that may be. Nick Cordle's impact was barely noticeable so I'll look forward to seeing if Jeff Loomis has any.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:47 am 
 

I'd venture a guess Loomis plays a big role in their songwriting. Arch Enemy have been firing off bullshit pretty much since their inception. And Loomis being a composer, it seems safe to assume he will end up writing almost all of their stuff now, or at least having a hand in most of it. This a huge help to a mediocre band.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:21 am 
 

I had high hoped of a new band formed by Loomis post-Nevermore but had forgotten mostly about it when he decided to go the solo album route and tour with his clinics instead. This does however feel weird. Perhaps its that I never liked Arch Enemy that much. I like Loomis playing but probably not enough to where he could save this band. But hey, from a money/carreer standpoint I'd have to imagine its an alright step to take. There is probably no pressure on him either in joining a band that already has identity and a big back catalouge of albums.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:34 am 
 

Indecency wrote:
Hey, I didn't think their new album was that bad. I still wouldn't see them live though (I actually skipped their show a couple weeks ago) and I have no idea how Jeff Loomis can fit in with them.



Exactly. What I was gonna post

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Rompestromper
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:10 am 
 

could be cool with a different vocalist if you ask me

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:56 pm 
 

...and different guitarists. The rhythm section's alright, though, they should do something.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:25 pm 
 

TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah wrote:
I'd venture a guess Loomis plays a big role in their songwriting. Arch Enemy have been firing off bullshit pretty much since their inception. And Loomis being a composer, it seems safe to assume he will end up writing almost all of their stuff now, or at least having a hand in most of it. This a huge help to a mediocre band.


Doubtful that he will be doing the main songwriting role if he's even allowed to write anything. Like someone already said Arch Enemy is a commercial band now with money on tbe brain and a slew of daft fans out there who eat that shit up. Mike is a joke now and even though I'm sure he's still got a whole lot of talent left in him I doubt very much he'll ever use it again. The band sealed their fate in my eyes when they chose AWG instead of a good singer. Maybe just maybe if the heavens align and they kick her ass out and let Loomis do the writting, or if Mike ever pulls his head of his ass, then I'd listen to them but that's not gonna happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 2:43 pm 
 

Fourteen-year-old me thinks that this is the coolest thing ever. Twenty-six-year-old me is unimpressed.

I really enjoy Sanctuary's first two albums (unfortunate that I have to make that qualification), but both Arch Enemy and Nevermore are really more about fun solos and catchy choruses than anything else. I would be more excited if the Ammots did an instrumental side-project with Loomis. With this new version of Arch Enemy, the only thing that's tingling is my Century Media Moneygrab Sense.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:15 pm 
 

TheTrueSeker wrote:
With this new version of Arch Enemy, the only thing that's tingling is my Century Media Moneygrab Sense.

Gold, pure gold! :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:28 pm 
 

I swear this band is making me feel like I'm reading a business section of a newspaper. "Archy Enemy acquires Jeff Loomis after recent acquisition of White-Gluz and divesting itself of Gossow, share prices rise 2.3%."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:58 pm 
 

Wow, I'm not really a Jeff Loomis fan or anything, but what was he thinking?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:24 pm 
 

Razakel wrote:
Wow, I'm not really a Jeff Loomis fan or anything, but what was he thinking?


He's probably sick of hiding from his landlord.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:34 pm 
 

Further reading seems to indicate he'll only be touring with them?
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link, pls.
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TheMizwaOfMuzzyTah wrote:
Further reading seems to indicate he'll only be touring with them?

That makes more sense.
I was gonna propose a raffle for the date when he announces he quits AE. Mine would have been 9 days after the next tour.
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Riffs wrote:
Then 1996 happened.


Yeah, and then The Politics of Ecstasy came out, which was one of their best albums. What's your point?




As for Loomis joining Arch Enemy, I think it certainly has potential, but I also got the impression that this would only really be for live dates.

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putrenista wrote:
Riffs wrote:
Then 1996 happened.


Yeah, and then The Politics of Ecstasy came out, which was one of their best albums. What's your point?


My point is that the mix of influence was promising (especially for the time) but that they never did anything with it and on the contrary, went downhill fast with a shitty brand of repetitive and increasingly groovy metal, not to mention lacklustre live performances.
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Angela isn't Mike's girlfriend. In case anyone gives a shit.

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Riffs wrote:
My point is that the mix of influence was promising (especially for the time) but that they never did anything with it and on the contrary, went downhill fast with a shitty brand of repetitive and increasingly groovy metal, not to mention lacklustre live performances.


Thats just a matter of person taste in music though. I think Nevermore was one of the best and most interesting band up until, and inclusive of, this godless endeavour. But of course I certainly didn't mind any big aspect of their musical development. I was certainly not upset at whatever groove they included. I love me some groove :)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:37 pm 
 

InnesI wrote:
I love me some groove :)

I really can't stand anything "groove" (metal), and yet Nevermore is up there amongst my favourite bands.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:19 pm 
 

Acrobat wrote:
Razakel wrote:
Wow, I'm not really a Jeff Loomis fan or anything, but what was he thinking?


He's probably sick of hiding from his landlord.




He should just stick with conquering dystopia. Maybe even let Keith do lead aswell. But joining Arch Enemy with the new singer they have...? I bet if he is not just touring and decides to stay on their next album you might see Arch enemy shine in new light. Give Jeff any riff and he'll make it into something great and overlay it with a great solo. But I doubt it will be fitting with the lyrics of that Alissa girl.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:17 pm 
 

Honestly, this sounds pretty cool. I'm a big fan o' Nevermore, and Jeff did a great job there. I just wonder how he's going to fit in with the rest of Arch Enemy. Also, this makes Arch Enemy even more international, because now they have a Canadian singer and an American guitarist.

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