So, do you make any actual money from this or does it leave you pretty broke still? because with all the driving and people you need to employ I'd imagine it would take away most of your profits.
I admire your hard work though, chasing your dreams and doing something special with yourself. What do your missus' thing of that touring lifestyle? man if I were playing in a succesful thrash band I'd be trying to get that sweet puss.
Basically, no. I see it like I've made a decision to be poor in order to do metal. I've done various odd work. Now I'm studying history (aim to be a professor), working on BA. Only able to do this now due to support of my fiancee and family.
Thanks! Well at the time I did it >that< much (which I will not do again), it was an obvious strain on my relationship I had at the time.
I thought similarly to you, I'll just say that
Man, I didn't realize you guys had so many interpersonal issues during touring. It can definitely take it's toll on you. I just did a week and a half long tour last month, obviously not the perpetual tour you guys did, but it went pretty swimmingly, very little issues. Though we had to fire our drummer right after, so maybe not?
I really admire your guys' work ethic during that time. That must have been brutal.
I think we got along and worked together well most of the time. We weren't dysfunctional, I think for young bands we were one of the better ones around live honestly. We improved swiftly as a live band despite lineup changes what seemed like every 6 months. Every single time we have to go re-train like 13 songs at least of blistering fast music. I am SO weary of this by now. We had to do this often in between tours, so our off time wasn't. I think just living the band almost non-stop for years really strained some of the interpersonal relationships. Anything else interpersonal was a result of being collectively young and stupid in a really tight space together for a long time. Touring can be a very weird thing to deal with mentally, the sense of no home can really fuck with people's heads.
Thanks! Yeah it was but we play from the heart so the whole time we just grit our teeth and did it. Figured it was the only way a band like us would ever succeed.
I didn't post in the previous thread since I just don't have much to say about WWE (it's alright I guess but I don't listen to ever), but I am reading and enjoying these. I remember commenting to friends around this time just how many god damned tours y'all were on at the time and it's cool to see you acknowledge how insane that was and to read what kind of a toll it took on you. My only question is the same as posited above, as to whether or not you made any sort of money out of all that touring or if you were lucky to break even. I hear horror stories all the time about that sort of thing. I saw the Chicago date of the Kreator/Exodus/Belphegor tour and to my knowledge it's the only time I've seen Warbringer live. Personally thought Belphegor stole the show there, their stage presence is completely unreal and I've done my best to not miss another Chicago date of theirs since (though I missed last Sunday).
For what it's worth, I like Waking into Nightmares probably the most out of the current four albums on the whole (though far and away the best song has yet to come), and it's a ludicrous amount better than War Without End. I liked the heightened heaviness that bordered on death/thrash at times, and it was cool to read about that writing/recording process and to see how much the personnel at the time had to do with that shift.
Glad to hear you enjoy these! I'm having fun writing them.
Later tours (Worlds and after) the band became profitable. Not on a "raking in the cash" type of sense, but just so long as we conduct our business with reasonable intelligence we will at least break even at this point. Touring is >expensive< and just keeping up with the cost is a big hurdle for most new bands. The breakdown of guarantee is also often slanted really hard. I've often felt (and been told) that we are underpaid relative to how many people we draw in while we are working as a support act for various tours. Essentially, this aspect of it has felt like a huge uphill battle and I do wish I had more to show for it. That being said, life is working out well regardless. Post- Empires I pretty much thought my life was over but it comes around eventually.
And yeah, for me it's Waking or Worlds as a whole record, though I think Empires has a couple individual songs that are as good or better than anything on those.
Damn, talk about really putting in the effort to get your band's name out there. Reading about all that extensive touring you guys put in definitely makes me appreciate Waking into Nightmares a LOT more than I already do. Absolutely my favorite Warbringer album for sure, favorite tracks would be Shadow from the Tomb, Jackal, Living in a Whirlwind, and Scorched Earth just to name a few. Nightmare Anatomy kicks ass too.
Thanks dude! This approach of ours gives me an instant hatred for gimmick and image based bands. I just can't help it.
Fuck yes! Waking into Nightmares is one of the greatest thrash albums ever made imho. The energy is just so raw and the music is so technical and brutal as BH said.
My question is: what led to Andy Laux departing and then rejoining around a year later? Was he just ready to rejoin after Bennett left?
Thanks man! I think it's got its own little cool niche in the thrash genre. I am glad you like it, we have always tried out best to make sweet records for those who like to bang heads!
Andy recorded WWE but did not tour for it. He had to finish high school. That's how young we were. He was about 2 1/2-3 years younger than me. Ben Bennett lived nearby and hung out with many of the guys, so he joined on all the first tours. Having gone through the first 6 months of tour adventures with everyone he kind of took Andy's place in the band. About a year after that happened Ben got himself kicked out for a long streak of bad behavior, some of which has haunted us. Andy then rejoined.
My band opened for you guys at one point in Detroit. You were headlining, and I believe traveling on your own. Was a lot of fun, you guys certainly didn't seem burned out then.
Hell yeah! Well often it's illness that really gets me. I felt like I was sick half of the last tour. Being sick on tour sucks all the fun out cause you are just kicking yourself for sucking all the time.
Hey we probably had a beer or something then. Sweet. What's up dude?
I knew you guys toured a lot back then....but damn. I think I saw Warbringer like 100 times at Jaxx on the various tours. It seemed like you were on every one....now I know why.
Sad that place is gone. We always had great shows there.
I really enjoy reading this, so please continue.
I am saving my questions for the last album
Sure! I'll try to keep this up at a reasonable rate.
When the new one is closer and I can actually talk about it I'll do one on that too.