Oh, you mean I accused you of saying something you didn't actually say? Imagine that.

haha a heated debate over this.

y'all need to stop listening to metal, it's making you guys rowdy.

What are you trying to say? That I do the same?

You did exactly the same. Go back and look at your response to my first post.

You said



I said



Which seems like a logical rephrasing to me, since "not accessible" and "challenging" are the same thing.

Fail.

Here's a very straightforward answer. I put "challenging" in quotes, because it has different meaning to different people. When I hear people use the word "challenging", I usually take it to mean that they find the music hard to listen to...not just "immediately", but at all times. That, sir, is what I meant by the words I chose. I'm glad god has granted you the sole right to change people's words for them.

Gee, I didn't even have to call you retarded, since you changed your own words from "not immediately accessible" to "not accessible". Do I need to explain the word "immediately" to you?

Cradle of Filth and Burzum are apples and oranges. I was terrified the first time I heard Burzum because it was so bleak. I still can't listen to "Filosofem" and feel at ease while doing so.

I didn't change any words, what you meant specifically and what you said are two different things.

You should have said this in the first place, it has more of a point, still, I rarely hear people use challenging as in meaning hard to listen to at all times. People are usually talking about how a band finally "clicked" after x number of listens.

You assigned meaning that was not there, and more than that, instead of politely asking for me to clarify, you said I was retarded. No apologies for that, eh? And here I thought the Dutch were always so diplomatic.

It conveyed the wrong message regardless the meaning you intended, otherwise I wouldn't have called you retarded, but this is getting pointless so im signing off.
I thought we were only know for pot and hookers BTW.

And controversial cartoons...but who's counting?

(speaking of wrong messages)

I don't really believe in it, to be truthful. If I want some 'easy listening', I'll listen to a metal band I used to listen to when I was a kid, since I'm really familiar with it. I've listened to bands like Kalmah and Cathedral so much that I know what's going to happen in all of their songs. However, I do find myself listening to a lot of minimalist drone (early Earth) or suicidal black metal, like Leviathan and Xasthur.

If I want 'involved' listening, I'll listen to some really emotional music, like Khanate or Pig Destroyer. The latter's "Phantom Limb" album even more-so, because, to this day, I still have no idea how they could make an album that heavy without it getting into "wall of noise" territory.

Those hard? I listen to Darkspace and Paysage D'Hiver when I need something ambient.

And yeah, Wolves In The Throne Room actually requires attention. Otherwise you'll just miss everything and won't remember a thing. What sucks about the music is the fact that the music mostly isn't intensive or diverse enough to keep your attention.

When I can't decide between hard and easy, I listen to Mogwai. It can be both.

Immolation for sure is a band I really can't just have going on the background. Gorguts and Pavor would be two others which really require a focussed ear. Generally just percussive death metal with ugly rhythms. That shit sounds fucking terrible when you're not focussing on it.

As for what I go for when I want something easy, I tend to go for either of Blut Aus Nords Memoria Vetusa (whatever they are) albums, Forgotten Tomb, Isvind, or Anaal Nathrakh. Basically anything that burns along with enough energy to be fun, and then explodes into really catchy melodies. As I tune in and out with these bands I always find myself finding something different and enjoyable.

Yea, that's why I had to say "maybe", because I know more than a fair share of people who won't listen to Paysage nor Darkspace due to their production. Myself? It's my absolutely favorite music to listen to when falling asleep.

Oh yeah I know what you mean. When I'm just sitting back with a bowl of weedo's and trying not to think too hard, I throw on some easy listening Grief or Khanate or something catchy like Ministry.

Weedo's you mean cannabis?

asfasdf what an argument.

I'm with you there, I absorb music pretty quickly to be honest and can tell almost immediately if I like the band or will like them eventually, although most of the time the bands that I don't like at first, then get into, I get bored of them very quickly afterwards. I wouldn't say it's a particularly rewarding experience either. I remember the first time I listened to Darkspace, I was bored outta my mind listening to it and sold it almost immediately, I wouldn't want to waste time getting into that band.

Mostly all metal is pretty challenging to me.

I can't read a book while I have my music on, it's just too much for my brain to handle at once.

Haha possibly. Drugs ain't so acceptable, so I'll stick with weedo's

When I do weedo's, I tend to be more open minded for complex music than normal

haha when I'm in that state, complex music confusese me haha and it's the only time I can REALLY get into drone or realll slow metal.

Me too, but it's also the only time I graps more complex, mind demanding metal.

Song to think hard? Well, songs of Burzum, Immortal, Death, maybe some Gothic Metal.
And for the easy ones, Rock & Roll and Glam Rock songs. Easy and catchy lyrics

I enjoy a mix of both easy listening and hard listening, but I'm of the opinion that a band can never be too easy to listen to, while a band can definitely be too hard to listen to. Slam death metal, for example, is a guilty pleasure of mine, because it is music completely stripped of any technicality and probably any meaning. You could probably even call it stupid. The genre is perfect for listening to when you are driving or doing something else, because you don't have to pay full attention to it. Bands can definitely be too hard to listen to, which in my opinion would be overly technical or experimental bands like Dillinger Escape Plan or iwrestledabearonce. Listening to these bands is like listening to 5 other bands taken apart and thrown together on one album, terrible.

Anyways, now for a list, to whoever got bored or lost while reading my extremely disjointed rant.

Easy-listening: Slam death, sludge, grindcore, etc.
Medium-listening: Death, black, doom, thrash, etc.
Hard-listening: Funeral doom, technical death, drone, post-metal, etc.

Though I haven't listened to them in quite a while, I find Burzum to be easy-listening. The repetitive and atmospheric nature of the music invites me to relax and soak the music in rather than pay close attention to whatever nuances it might have and whatnot.

I see what you mean, but I don't necessarily agree; not that you're wrong, either. It really just depends on what you consider a challenging listen. On one hand, you can say it's something that's fairly complex with many nuances which requires either undivided attention, multiple listening sessions, or both, to pick up on all the subtleties present. However, it can also be something that is challenging to listen to, regardless of complexity or one's opinion of the of the quality of the music.

In that regard, I'd agree that Origin is hard listening. Yes, it's "just" brutal, relentless, technical death metal played at an absurd speed (all qualities of their music that I enjoy). No, there isn't really anything subtle about their music; it's all right there in front of you, beating you senseless into the ground. But while nearly every second of their music leaves me stunned by how utterly awesome it is, sitting through a whole Origin album is pretty challenging, and technical death is one of my favorite genres. At a slower speed, it might not be so, but then it wouldn't quite be the same.