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Goatfangs
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:34 pm 
 

Which Burzum song is about hating niggers? Is it "The Crying Orc", using Tolkien's orcs as a metaphor for niggers?


Personally, I think if there is a Burzum song like this, it'd be funny! Otherwise, it doesn't exist! I'm leaning toward the latter at this point, since he may have burnt down churches and murdered Euronymous, but I can't see him sing a song about hating niggers.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:39 pm 
 

I really don't think KK Warslut is a racist, mainly because D666 is touring southamerica on september.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:47 pm 
 

masterofordure wrote:
I really don't think KK Warslut is a racist, mainly because D666 is touring southamerica on september.


He might've been in the past, but attitudes change. People learn things that they didn't know before, liek... OMG black people are actually really cool, or not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.

Stereotypes are bullshit, and there are no intellectual lyrics that are completely racist. Racism is stupid. Interpreting non-racist lyrics as racist is also stupid.

And I'm now getting into Blasphemy because of this thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:48 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.
As if that's the worst stereotype about Jews. :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:50 pm 
 

HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.
As if that's the worst stereotype about Jews. :lol:


Not all Jews have jewgold hidden up their butt?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:52 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.
As if that's the worst stereotype about Jews. :lol:


Not all Jews have jewgold hidden up their butt?
Where else are we gonna keep it? Tucked under our foreskins? That's not exactly an option.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:02 pm 
 

HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.
As if that's the worst stereotype about Jews. :lol:


Not all Jews have jewgold hidden up their butt?
Where else are we gonna keep it? Tucked under our foreskins? That's not exactly an option.


It could be, I don't know where you keep them after they are snipped off.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:04 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
HowDisgusting wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
not all Jews have big noses, or not all gay people are total fags.
As if that's the worst stereotype about Jews. :lol:


Not all Jews have jewgold hidden up their butt?
Where else are we gonna keep it? Tucked under our foreskins? That's not exactly an option.


It could be, I don't know where you keep them after they are snipped off.
They're roasted and sold as kebabs to starving Palestinian children.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:13 pm 
 

Now I got the hots for the album cover of Blasphemy's Fallen Angel of Doom, the music ain't too shabby either.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:15 pm 
 

Goatfangs wrote:
Now I got the hots for the album cover of Blasphemy's Fallen Angel of Doom, the music ain't too shabby either.


Blood Upon the Altar would've been a better place to start. It's got much cleaner production.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:59 pm 
 

PhantomOTO wrote:
Obviously just another impressionable kid who was led into being a right wing apologist by the recruiters who have infiltrated metal.


I don't want to veer too much off topic but I also just want to add to this to support what you were saying here. What alot of those young and dumb right-wingers don't realize is that the George Lincoln Rockwell-led American Nazi Party and The Black Panthers were equally racist and shared a common hate for Jews as well as the idea of racial separatism of their respective races which made them political allies by default. And there is/was a mututal respect between The Black Panthers and organized Aryan groups. As a matter of fact, George Rockwell was an honorary guest at a Black Panther rally in 1967.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:23 am 
 

Who cares if KK was/is a racist. His music is all that matters and the music is excellent.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:27 am 
 

Blackend wrote:
PhantomOTO wrote:
Skinhead culture can be (and originally was) apolitical. Right wing groups infiltrated it later, then there was a leftist response, but some still didn't pick sides.


I just said that because there was a black dude in it, just wondering if there was any awkwardness between them.


Truth. I am a non political skinhead myself, and I certainly don't consider myself a "racialist" of any kind. Fuck the right/left paradigm. Original skinheads loved reggae and hung out with Jamaican immigrants, yet beat the shit out of Pakistani immigrants over neighborhood beef, so whatever. Modern skins run the gamut from Communist/Anarchist to WP. The first Oi show I attended at the Wetlands in NYC was brimming over with mostly Black and Puerto Rican skins. I know it's kind of confusing, but the original focus of the subculture was working class pride, dressing sharp, and patriotism, not politics.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:41 am 
 

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:55 am 
 

ExtremelyXBadXBreath wrote:
Blackend wrote:
PhantomOTO wrote:
Skinhead culture can be (and originally was) apolitical. Right wing groups infiltrated it later, then there was a leftist response, but some still didn't pick sides.


I just said that because there was a black dude in it, just wondering if there was any awkwardness between them.


Truth. I am a non political skinhead myself, and I certainly don't consider myself a "racialist" of any kind. Fuck the right/left paradigm. Original skinheads loved reggae and hung out with Jamaican immigrants, yet beat the shit out of Pakistani immigrants over neighborhood beef, so whatever. Modern skins run the gamut from Communist/Anarchist to WP. The first Oi show I attended at the Wetlands in NYC was brimming over with mostly Black and Puerto Rican skins. I know it's kind of confusing, but the original focus of the subculture was working class pride, dressing sharp, and patriotism, not politics.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:23 am 
 

Wow, this thread went all kinds of fun places. I actually feel bad that I posted my wild speculation about KK Warslut's initials earlier; that's probably how rumors get started. For the record, I've found no proof that the guy is a racist. Nor have I any reason to go hunting for such "proof."

That said, I was inspired to listen to D666 earlier, and I couldn't help but notice that printed on the back of the Unchain the Wolves booklet were the words "White Devil Music." Tee hee.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:02 am 
 

Hey since there's a thread about racism and I know HD is lurking about, does anyone know of any text that confirms Infester's supposed racist ideology? Or perhaps my curiosity for why this band is associated with NS stuff will be satiated by cute lines like "Repulsive ebony skin".
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invoked wrote:
Hey since there's a thread about racism and I know HD is lurking about, does anyone know of any text that confirms Infester's supposed racist ideology? Or perhaps my curiosity for why this band is associated with NS stuff will be satiated by cute lines like "Repulsive ebony skin".

There's a figure somewhere in the booklet of To the Depths... that looks vaguely like a swastika. It's really, really a stretch. I think the whole thing is bullshit and "repulsive ebony skin" refers to charred flesh.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:43 am 
 

Blackend wrote:

These dudes were hippies because most of them were born around the time/lived a childhood in a time where psychedelic music and people were still very abundant.


Er, perhaps not. I'm not sure the Ruhr was full of hippie music. I'm sure Tom Angelripper wasn't surrounded by flowers and Hendrix records when his dad came home from the mine. If anything it's probably a lot more to do with growing up in the Cold War. Jeff Walker and Bill Steer had strong links to the punk scene (admittedly one of Jeff's first bands was called The Electro Hippies - I'm sure that was somewhat tongue in cheek). Does taking an active dislike to war make you a hippy? I guess I'm one, too, although perhaps it's just a blanket term thrown around by some persons on the right.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:05 am 
 

Cinerary wrote:
ExtremelyXBadXBreath wrote:
Blackend wrote:
PhantomOTO wrote:
Skinhead culture can be (and originally was) apolitical. Right wing groups infiltrated it later, then there was a leftist response, but some still didn't pick sides.


I just said that because there was a black dude in it, just wondering if there was any awkwardness between them.


Truth. I am a non political skinhead myself, and I certainly don't consider myself a "racialist" of any kind. Fuck the right/left paradigm. Original skinheads loved reggae and hung out with Jamaican immigrants, yet beat the shit out of Pakistani immigrants over neighborhood beef, so whatever. Modern skins run the gamut from Communist/Anarchist to WP. The first Oi show I attended at the Wetlands in NYC was brimming over with mostly Black and Puerto Rican skins. I know it's kind of confusing, but the original focus of the subculture was working class pride, dressing sharp, and patriotism, not politics.

BBC documentary from the 90's: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7862222581

You're a nigger.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:27 am 
 

marktheviktor wrote:
PhantomOTO wrote:
Obviously just another impressionable kid who was led into being a right wing apologist by the recruiters who have infiltrated metal.


I don't want to veer too much off topic but I also just want to add to this to support what you were saying here. What alot of those young and dumb right-wingers don't realize is that the George Lincoln Rockwell-led American Nazi Party and The Black Panthers were equally racist and shared a common hate for Jews as well as the idea of racial separatism of their respective races which made them political allies by default. And there is/was a mututal respect between The Black Panthers and organized Aryan groups. As a matter of fact, George Rockwell was an honorary guest at a Black Panther rally in 1967.
I think most White racialists (right-wing, or any of the political perspectives) support what the Black Panthers were trying to achieve - maybe not so much with the New Black Panthers
I personally have been treated well by NOI - anyone the recognizes that the races are inherently different from one another is fine by members

and I hope Phantom was kidding about "infiltrating" - why does one, apparently, have to subscribe to a certain ideology to listen to the music? cannot anyone, irrespective of their political views, be a fan?
if my side wanted to recruit, it sure wouldn't be from this base - its the clean-cut manager and professional types that make up the majority of the people I know with similar beleifs to my own
sure, there's always the odd-ball thats around because of anger issues - the disaffected or ostracized ones, but they rarely stay and are soon off to something else "extreme" or taboo
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I really don't think KK Warslut is a racist, mainly because D666 is touring southamerica on september.
right
so, there are no White racists in SA?
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Does taking an active dislike to war make you a hippy? I guess I'm one, too, although perhaps it's just a blanket term thrown around by some persons on the right.
yeah I wondered that myself - how were those bands defined as "hippies"? I'm anti-war and pro-marijuana legalization - am I a dirty yippie? what makes Carcass communist?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:12 am 
 

Why do people seriously care about this? I don't agree with racism, but I approve of the separation (and thus preservation) of unique cultures. I am very proud of my own culture, despite mistakes of the past. Pride is strength. Pity and sorrow is weakness.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:35 pm 
 

Yeah, does it actually matter if they're racists or not, unless you're communist scum? Little bit of racism here and there is very normal and healthy. But that nigger thing about Blasphemy is pretty cruel. Caller of The Storms is a good nigger, a proud black sheep of black metal.

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Who cares? Why do most metalheads care about bands being against niggers or Jews while they are extremely proud of being oh-so anti-Christian?
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Are you people really this fucking thick? They care because they don't want to support ideas they disagree with. Most of the people who listen to anti-christian music identify with the message AT LEAST on the level that they think christianity is a fairytale. Some people do not want to help support artists who are espousing ideals that directly contradict their own. Even if this means missing out on good music. I understand and have applied the "just listen to the music" spiel myself, but thats not good enough for everyone, and you should fucking respect that.

Also, this thread has brought out some characters...jesus.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:55 pm 
 

GutturalRampage wrote:
Who cares? Why do most metalheads care about bands being against niggers or Jews while they are extremely proud of being oh-so anti-Christian?


People don't chose to be of Jewish or African descent. Christianity is a choice.

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zzerk wrote:
GutturalRampage wrote:
Who cares? Why do most metalheads care about bands being against niggers or Jews while they are extremely proud of being oh-so anti-Christian?


People don't chose to be of Jewish or African descent. Christianity is a choice.

Not really. You can't choose what you believe. I certainly couldn't just up and decide to believe in the invisible bearded sky wizard, for example. I could pretend to believe in the invisible bearded sky wizard, but if my life depended on me believing in the invisible bearded sky wizard... well, then I'd be fucked.
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zzerk wrote:
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Who cares? Why do most metalheads care about bands being against niggers or Jews while they are extremely proud of being oh-so anti-Christian?


People don't chose to be of Jewish or African descent. Christianity is a choice.


Not every Jew is religious, though. And not every Catholic is Christian if you know what I mean. Anyway, I don't give a shit for religion or nationality.
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Man, there are some unbelievably stupid motherfuckers on this forum.
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invoked wrote:
Hey since there's a thread about racism and I know HD is lurking about, does anyone know of any text that confirms Infester's supposed racist ideology? Or perhaps my curiosity for why this band is associated with NS stuff will be satiated by cute lines like "Repulsive ebony skin".


The lyrics from A Viscidy Slippery Secretion seem to show hints but like said by Phantom, it's quite of a stretch.. regardless of the supposed political ties of the band, it's an excellent record.
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HumanWaste5150 wrote:
invoked wrote:
Hey since there's a thread about racism and I know HD is lurking about, does anyone know of any text that confirms Infester's supposed racist ideology? Or perhaps my curiosity for why this band is associated with NS stuff will be satiated by cute lines like "Repulsive ebony skin".


The lyrics from A Viscidy Slippery Secretion seem to show hints but like said by Phantom, it's quite of a stretch.. regardless of the supposed political ties of the band, it's an excellent record.

The lyrics of Epicurean Entrails are a bit more clear:

Quote:
The sword in hand's not yet to be in the ground...
For at the darkest hour, a man may cry out.
Seven tormenting spirits
To be breathed into him...
The black abominations of elusive kinds,
Heads hung in death... Spilling blood for their dead.
Incinerate the soul to die temporarily..
Betrayed torture for a life of recovery,
Now I begin the quest I was born for...
Ridding the world of those pigmented abortion babies.


I didn't bold the line about the "black abominations" because it could be referring to something else. But I can't think of another meaning for "pigmented abortion babies."

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Goatfangs wrote:
Which Burzum song is about hating niggers? Is it "The Crying Orc", using Tolkien's orcs as a metaphor for niggers?


Personally, I think if there is a Burzum song like this, it'd be funny! Otherwise, it doesn't exist! I'm leaning toward the latter at this point, since he may have burnt down churches and murdered Euronymous, but I can't see him sing a song about hating niggers.


The only Burzum's song considered with some sort of explicit racialistic/political content is MY JOURNEY TO THE STARS, which in a part says something like 'achieving the war between races'...

It is considered, by some, NS, just because of Varg's (main member) personal ideas; but in the music, except that song, is considered very obscure to see any ideology, at least up to Filosofem. Then he talks about northern paganism, but again that also is not necesary political-racialist etc...
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HowDisgusting is jewish? :0

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Beli wrote:
HowDisgusting is jewish? :0

So am I. Who the fuck cares?
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kampfplatz666 wrote:
Goatfangs wrote:
Which Burzum song is about hating niggers? Is it "The Crying Orc", using Tolkien's orcs as a metaphor for niggers?


Personally, I think if there is a Burzum song like this, it'd be funny! Otherwise, it doesn't exist! I'm leaning toward the latter at this point, since he may have burnt down churches and murdered Euronymous, but I can't see him sing a song about hating niggers.


The only Burzum's song considered with some sort of explicit racialistic/political content is MY JOURNEY TO THE STARS, which in a part says something like 'achieving the war between races'...

It is considered, by some, NS, just because of Varg's (main member) personal ideas; but in the music, except that song, is considered very obscure to see any ideology, at least up to Filosofem. Then he talks about northern paganism, but again that also is not necesary political-racialist etc...


But didn't Varg become heavily involved with extreme nationalism after being jailed? If so, that song predates such ideas by a year or two. Also, in the context of the whole lyrics, the line seems to be more about humanity's (or life on Earth's) generalized selfdestruction rather than clashing ethinicities, IMO.
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Jackoroth686 wrote:
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I believe KK Warslut once got punched in the face (and his nose broken, as a result) by a member of Blasphemy after asking "Why is there a nigger in your band?" or something similar.


Wow, no one should tell him about Suffocation.


Or Mystifier, for that matter.

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HowDisgusting is jewish? :0

So am I. Who the fuck cares?


If you're in danger, the Mossad. If you're safe, the Palestinians.
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The bizarre lattices were all around. Sticks and bits of board nailed together in fantastic array. It should've been ridiculous. Instead it seemed oddly sinister--these inexplicable lattices spread through a wilderness bearing little evidence that man had ever passed through...

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