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Milo
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:48 pm 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
BCF wrote:
They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats.

I believe you've just described typical Russian skinheads (they usually use knives and armature rods instead of bats and pepper spray, though).


Really? That sounds scary, even more when I remember I'm supposed to go to Moscow in a few weeks and that I'm a brazilian whose skin color is far from RGB 255 255 255...
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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:19 am 
 

Milo wrote:
Catachthonian wrote:
BCF wrote:
They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats.

I believe you've just described typical Russian skinheads (they usually use knives and armature rods instead of bats and pepper spray, though).


Really? That sounds scary, even more when I remember I'm supposed to go to Moscow in a few weeks and that I'm a brazilian whose skin color is far from RGB 255 255 255...


Well then, we won't be seeing you again on the forums now will we? :D
In all seriousness, if you're not white in Russia, good luck.


I see no real links between Kroda and the original NS, which was just extreme German Nationalism disguised under something bigger. They're right about their lack of any direct involvement with that I'd call the White Nationalism movement in terms of political work but they should have expected and been ready for such a thing. They have every right to be angry about what happened, yet shouldn't find it surprising.

Also, people seem to forget that not all White Nationalists are fascist "freedom of speech is TEH BANNED" types.
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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:17 am 
 

Milo wrote:
Catachthonian wrote:
BCF wrote:
They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats.

I believe you've just described typical Russian skinheads (they usually use knives and armature rods instead of bats and pepper spray, though).


Really? That sounds scary, even more when I remember I'm supposed to go to Moscow in a few weeks and that I'm a brazilian whose skin color is far from RGB 255 255 255...

I can provide you with a short guide for survival. ;) :P Joking aside, your chances to get attacked are significantly low as long as you stick to more or less crowded places and avoid Moscow's outskirts.

By the way, are you only supposed to go to Moscow or is it 100% certain? If the latter, PM me if you will, please.
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Blood_And_Iron
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:29 am 
 

I think the following fits into this discussion well.
After Kroda released their statement, the editors of Ablaze (http://www.ablaze-magazin.de/) wrote this declaration:

Defend the freedom of speech and of expression in Black Metal!

"Without freedom, no art…"

- Art lives only on the restraints it imposes on itself, and dies of all others." Albert Camus

The Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads as follows: “Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference…”
In Black- and Pagan Metal, this particular freedom “to hold opinions without interference” is at stake nowadays!

Quite a few bands from our scene do encounter problems when they want to distribute a release or when they want to play live on stage. Their releases are boycotted or banned, and their concerts are cancelled or attacked. Why? They exercise their human right of free speech and freedom of expression!

A certain group of people, in particular the so-called “Antifa”, is conducting a campaign against our scene. They do not believe in universal human rights; i.e. they deny that everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration of Human Rights, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Quite to the contrary, they want to suppress and to silence anyone who does not share their very own political opinion. To this end, they resort to slander, intimidation and violence. They shun the open and public debate, as though they have no valid arguments whatsoever.
It is not uncommon, even among our scene, to excuse the excesses committed by the “Antifa” in regard to bands deemed to be “politically incorrect”. After all, there can be no tolerance for “Fascism and Racism” in Black Metal, right!? This excuse is outright silly, however! Who has the authority to make a generally binding definition of “Fascism and Racism” anyway? If you look at the propaganda from this “Antifa”, then even the democratically elected government of Germany, for instance, is deemed to be “fascist” and “racist” in one way or another. Do you seriously believe that their campaign against our scene does not concern you, because you do subscribe to a political agenda that is deemed to be “leftist” too? Think twice! Anyone who does not share their fundamentalist world view will raise their suspicion sooner or later. Today, they persecute a minority. Tomorrow, they terrorize the majority!
Perhaps you are afraid to speak out against the “Antifa”, because you do not want to be associated with “Nazis”. You would rather give up the universal freedom of expression instead of defending this freedom on behalf of just anyone, regardless of his/her political inclinations?! If this is the case, then it is your freedom of expression that will be abolished at next. Voltaire once said: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” This spirit is all but forgotten nowadays, in particular among our scene, is it not?

We do not advocate or condemn any political opinion whatsoever! As a publication, we are dedicated to the music first and foremost. We firmly believe in the right of free speech and of free expression, however! It is the bands only, who can decide how they want to express themselves. Moreover, it is up to the fans only, whether they agree or disagree with the way artists express themselves! No one has any right to dictate the bands what they must do or must not do, or to dictate the fans what they must listen to or must not listen to.

We call on you to take a stance against the ongoing destructive campaign of the “Antifa”! They do not belong to our scene, and they must not be permitted to police our scene at will! Defend the basic human rights against whoever wants to abolish the freedom of speech, or else there will be no freedom left for anyone at all.

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Milo
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:46 am 
 

Catachthonian wrote:
Milo wrote:
Catachthonian wrote:
BCF wrote:
They attack outnumbering 20 to 1 with pepper spray and bats.

I believe you've just described typical Russian skinheads (they usually use knives and armature rods instead of bats and pepper spray, though).


Really? That sounds scary, even more when I remember I'm supposed to go to Moscow in a few weeks and that I'm a brazilian whose skin color is far from RGB 255 255 255...

I can provide you with a short guide for survival. ;) :P Joking aside, your chances to get attacked are significantly low as long as you stick to more or less crowded places and avoid Moscow's outskirts.

By the way, are you only supposed to go to Moscow or is it 100% certain? If the latter, PM me if you will, please.


It's a business trip and it's still to be confirmed. I've been reading a lot about Russia lately, and most of what I've seen isn't good news, so comments like MaDTransilvanian's don't surprise me that much. However, I can't help feeling a bit disappointed about the facts. Anyway, if the trip gets confirmed, I'm contacting you. Thanks.
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Catachthonian
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:04 am 
 

A business trip is unlikely to be that risky, especially if the hotel they're going to book is in the city's central part and you're not alone.
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FleshMonolith
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:57 am 
 

@the A Blaze post.

What a joke. Paraphrasing Carlin hardcore. "you have the right to say whatever you want, and i have the right to disagree and beat you up."

Complain all you want, if you wanna take an extreme stance don't cry about extreme responses.

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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:33 am 
 

FleshMonolith wrote:
Complain all you want, if you wanna take an extreme stance don't cry about extreme responses.

Problem is, most of the pagan metal bands harassed by AFA take a stance less extreme than Manowar. In your oh so very educated opinion, how exactly does writing a gay ass little folk song about your ancestors warrant massive violence, other than for the reason that folk/pagan metal universally sucks ass?
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Fragmentz
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:11 am 
 

Fuck the ARA and all these skinheads. That kind of story happens just too much often!

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Veddartha
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:17 am 
 

PhantomOTO wrote:
I've never been discouraged from exploring and being proud of my heritage. And I doubt most you have, either. Sure, maybe someone has asked you to feel a little shame and remorse for crimes perpetuated by your ancestors, but have you truly be "forced"? Most of you are sitting here refusing that shame/remorse, so I guess the answer is no? And unless you think your "white brethren" are completely brainless, most of them probably haven't accepted those ideas either. Sure, some have, but let's not act like that isn't a legitimate position legitimately arrived at (this just feeds into right wing recruitment efforts). Then again, being of Irish and Polish descent, the real "enemies" of "my people" have generally been other whites. So any sort of bullshit pan-white nationalism based of a false sense of persecution just doesn't resonate.

The reason "white culture" is in "decline" (having to use so many scare quotes is annoying even me!) is because the only real universal values it holds are individualism and capitalism. It's hard to feel real kinship with your competition. Nevertheless, whites have managed to maintain a system of privilege and exclusion within the framework. So essentially, white culture has been in a glorious era of dominance all along! There is no other outside force acting on white people that makes them disparage their roots (which, by and large, the don't, though it seems most white people love to whine about their "oppression").


This is by far one of the best opinions I have seen here in years in regard of the NS subject.

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HowDisgusting
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:20 am 
 

White people: Society's sore losers.
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FleshMonolith
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:16 pm 
 

EntilZha wrote:
FleshMonolith wrote:
Complain all you want, if you wanna take an extreme stance don't cry about extreme responses.

Problem is, most of the pagan metal bands harassed by AFA take a stance less extreme than Manowar. In your oh so very educated opinion, how exactly does writing a gay ass little folk song about your ancestors warrant massive violence, other than for the reason that folk/pagan metal universally sucks ass?


Massive is a bit of an overstatement, something like Bosnia or Rwanada I would say is massive. Put your money where your mouth is, world's full of views and opinions if you put yours out there expect a response. Maybe i'm just bias being a lefty and a Jew, so if Kroda were to get beaten up at every show they played I'd be happy, although that would usher in all kinds of trouble. But it's a funny thing with all these hardcore nihilistic and even NS bm bands that if things came to fists they would cry.

And yes, Phantom really hit the nail on the head.I would think Slavs would be a lot more upset with Germanic people than Africans, people they didn't have contact with for hundreds of years. This of course is if we're looking into history and ignoring issues surrounding immigration.

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Norrmania
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:25 am 
 

cultofkraken wrote:
These idiots and groups like them attack anything they consider Fascist, including your average war metal band. We've had this happen to Operation Winter Mist here in BC; even though it's quite obvious they are a band centered around Canadian Patriotism, these crusty leftist groups tried blocking their entry and even tried to sick the Hell's Angels on them claiming they were "Nazis".


What the hell, are you serious? When did this happen? Anyways, does nothing but reaffirm what I already believed about Antifa and related orgs.

Honestly, I don't think Kroda should have to give any "excuse" or clarification of beliefs at all. If attacked then fight back in self defense. They shouldn't have to release such statements, nor be expected to.

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BeforeGod
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:17 am 
 

Norrmania wrote:
What the hell, are you serious? When did this happen? Anyways, does nothing but reaffirm what I already believed about Antifa and related orgs.


About four years ago. I thought they only made a fuss about it online and nothing really happened at the show. Still an utterly ridiculous controversy. People were making bombastic statements about running them out of town with baseball bats. I guess it was for the best that nothing really came out of it. Still it shows just how little it takes to set these people off. Really all of black metal, and most viking and war metal, runs counter to their ideology; if people are dumb enough to let them get away with labeling it all "Nazi" and thus deserving of violence then I suppose we cannot really blame them for doing it to further their agenda. Whatever works, right?

Antifa thugs are a far more direct threat to freedom of speech and the metal scene in general than any NSBM bands or organization. With that said it is ridiculous to see the Universal Charter of Human Rights cited by a black metal zine. There should be enough outrage that a group like Antifa would feel bold enough to determine what people are allowed to listen to, although given the posts here it looks like that's not the case.

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nebulous
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:50 pm 
 

All I'm hearing from KRODA is 'BAWWWWWWWWWW!!!'. Suck it up. I'm sick of members of a majority crying about being 'persecuted'.

I also find that the people who are all about White Pride/Heritage have nothing else in life to be proud of. Pathetic, really.

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Opus
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:13 pm 
 

BeforeGod wrote:
Antifa thugs are a far more direct threat to freedom of speech and the metal scene in general than any NSBM bands or organization.


You're joking, right? National socialists specifically wants to abolish (is that the right word?) democracy.

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:17 pm 
 

Opus wrote:
BeforeGod wrote:
Antifa thugs are a far more direct threat to freedom of speech and the metal scene in general than any NSBM bands or organization.


You're joking, right? National socialists specifically wants to abolish (is that the right word?) democracy.


The abolition of democracy doesn't mean the end of free speech you know. It means the end of retards getting to choose governments (which end up being full of retards).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:21 pm 
 

You're not that starry-eyed, are you? Well, I guess you are.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:33 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Opus wrote:
BeforeGod wrote:
Antifa thugs are a far more direct threat to freedom of speech and the metal scene in general than any NSBM bands or organization.


You're joking, right? National socialists specifically wants to abolish (is that the right word?) democracy.


The abolition of democracy doesn't mean the end of free speech you know. It means the end of retards getting to choose governments (which end up being full of retards).
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RegularK
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:45 pm 
 

So an anti-fascist organization is resorting to violence to get their point across?

Huh.

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Opus
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:49 pm 
 

MaDTransilvanian wrote:
Opus wrote:
BeforeGod wrote:
Antifa thugs are a far more direct threat to freedom of speech and the metal scene in general than any NSBM bands or organization.


You're joking, right? National socialists specifically wants to abolish (is that the right word?) democracy.


The abolition of democracy doesn't mean the end of free speech you know. It means the end of retards getting to choose governments (which end up being full of retards).


A lot of jokers gathered here today.
Pray tell, who are the retards?

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RegularK
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:04 pm 
 

I've just heard about this Antifa organization, so I am not that acquainted with them. From what I can tell though Antifa is more of a threat to freedom of speech than any NSBM I can think of.

Sitting on your ass, writing songs about hate and racism vs actively engaging in violence against people with different ideologies.

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DrSeuss
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:29 pm 
 

PhantomOTO's response hit the nail on the head, except one thing, I'm not willing to recognize the existence of races in general. What the fuck is the "white race?" It's such a frivolous and arbitrary label, so just Europeans? Ok, well Europe is pretty homogeneous, most of Europe is of Indo-European stock, except for the Finns, Estonians, Basque's and Hungarians, but even then, all pretty close with other Europeans as far as genetics go. Are they not included in the white race? It's such a stupid, arbitrary, and frivolous label. I'm part Spanish and to some people in the United States, Spaniards aren't white, yet people of the Iberian peninsula share a large part of their genetic heritage with people from Ireland and the British Isles, pretty much as white as you get. It's a dumb concept, and nationalism of any sort is stupid, white nationalism is even dumber. Yeah, I'm guilty of liking being Swedish, Irish and Spanish, I'm guilty of being proud that I'm of that stock, but I don't take any of it to heart, I didn't choose to be a Celtic Hispanic Norseman.

While I'm siding with Kroda on this subject on the basis that freedom of speech and thought are two tenets I dearly adhere to, and leftards are unbearable with their race apologist politically correct attitudes.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:12 pm 
 

HowDisgusting wrote:
White people: Society's sore losers.


Hah, this. /topic.

(I am white)
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:54 pm 
 

Semi-OT: frankly, I don't care about Kroda's problems, they're probably overreacting btw. All I wanted to say is that metal is going more and more right wing and racist. In the 80s we had all those thrash bands with pretty much anti-racist (and anti-war) stances. Just think of Kreator, Sodom, Nuclear Assault, Vio-lence, Megadeth. It was a positive thing, really, much better than the modern "true elitarian racist evil black kult metaller" kind of guy who jerks thinking about Indo-European populations, who is aryan and who is not, etc. Looks like Stormfront to me. Keep this shit out of metal.

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HexagonSunn
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:57 pm 
 

Besides the fact their a shit band, they are defintely of a facist leaning....fuck em. I disagree totally with the use of violence; I'd rather these "pagan" bands would just shut up and stop polluting my ears....actually, I've stopped that by not downloading their crap anymore.

Anyway, these guys are facists; hail freedom and LSD :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:05 pm 
 

Galaahd wrote:
Semi-OT: frankly, I don't care about Kroda's problems, they're probably overreacting btw. All I wanted to say is that metal is going more and more right wing and racist. In the 80s we had all those thrash bands with pretty much anti-racist (and anti-war) stances. Just think of Kreator, Sodom, Nuclear Assault, Vio-lence, Megadeth. It was a positive thing, really, much better than the modern "true elitarian racist evil black kult metaller" kind of guy who jerks thinking about Indo-European populations, who is aryan and who is not, etc. Looks like Stormfront to me. Keep this shit out of metal.


Exactly, and to me, they're like separating the metal scene. White nationalists on one side and all the others on the other side. Metal is supposed to be an international limitless culture. Why should we care someone is not white or whatnot, seriously, like someone said, it is the individual first and foremost.

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Beli
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:21 pm 
 

This started as a lame excuse of Kroda not being NSBM (the irony!) but the conclusion is good. Screw those subhuman antifa ! Fucking lankies wearing masks

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DrSeuss
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:32 pm 
 

HexagonSunn wrote:
Besides the fact their a shit band, they are defintely of a facist leaning....fuck em. I disagree totally with the use of violence; I'd rather these "pagan" bands would just shut up and stop polluting my ears....actually, I've stopped that by not downloading their crap anymore.

Anyway, these guys are facists; hail freedom and LSD :D


I didn't know fascists promoted free speech...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:33 pm 
 

^Internet tuffguys FTW.

Though- you lose my friend. Sub-human; there has not been another species of hominid on the planet for 30,000 years (except chimps I think, and they seem pretty laid back). Your wrong :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:35 pm 
 

Galaahd wrote:
Semi-OT: frankly, I don't care about Kroda's problems, they're probably overreacting btw. All I wanted to say is that metal is going more and more right wing and racist. In the 80s we had all those thrash bands with pretty much anti-racist (and anti-war) stances. Just think of Kreator, Sodom, Nuclear Assault, Vio-lence, Megadeth. It was a positive thing, really, much better than the modern "true elitarian racist evil black kult metaller" kind of guy who jerks thinking about Indo-European populations, who is aryan and who is not, etc. Looks like Stormfront to me. Keep this shit out of metal.


That ideology seems to be at odds with what heavy metal truly values: individualism and freedom. Race is just another disgusting form of collectivism.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:02 pm 
 

Beli wrote:
This started as a lame excuse of Kroda not being NSBM (the irony!) but the conclusion is good. Screw those subhuman antifa ! Fucking lankies wearing masks

Quote:
White people: Society's sore losers.

Stfu envious jewish faggot


rotfl

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raveneyeslikemirrors
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:16 pm 
 

I'm glad to see Kroda wants to distance themselves frem the political aspect of 'purifying their homeland', but I fail to experience leftist extremism in metal. But I cannot say about what goes on in the Ukraine, other than it seems the have the highest concentration of right-wing extremeists in metal.

I will say myself that i am definitey liberal in values, but I would not express it as political agenda, such as communist. People need the freedom to be who they are... Additionally, despite my liberal values, I am deeply fascinated in the history of Europe and its lost pagan heritage. I would say that I endorse bands who wish to spread the doctrine of their ancient heritage and educate people about it. That is a good thing after all the centuries of christian opression. I am though wary of those who want to take it as far as acvtive aggression and violence against others. That is what the Nazi's did and the result is presently that enthralling all things European in heritage is taboo.

It is sad that in the Ukraine, they seem to have to battle a history handed down to them by the communist Russians and the continued influence of said country trying to turn them away from democracy and back to a system with no civil rights. It seems that there is left little room in the Ukraine for moderate beliefs.

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:40 pm 
 

Beli wrote:
This started as a lame excuse of Kroda not being NSBM (the irony!) but the conclusion is good. Screw those subhuman antifa ! Fucking lankies wearing masks

Quote:
White people: Society's sore losers.

Stfu envious jewish faggot


:ugh: Way to respond to his stupidity with even greater stupidity...

This thread has become a complete clusterfuck.
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