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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:12 am 
 

Someone who is a fan of Amon Amarth stated to me that they believe the track "Thor Arise" from the demo "Thor Arise" is black metal. I'm interested to hear opinions on this because I've always believed it was death metal. I've never heard AA do anything remotely black metal, to be honest.

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HellHog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:37 am 
 

It is death metal, and the only reason you have never heard them doing something remotely black metal is because they never did.
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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:41 am 
 

HellHog wrote:
It is death metal, and the only reason you have never heard them doing something remotely black metal is because they never did.


Exactly! Thanks, I shall relay this to the person that believes they are black metal. They said that the riffs are classic raw black metal, as well as the blast beats. :lol:

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HellHog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:55 am 
 

Basically, your friend says blast beats only exist in black metal, as well as a little shredding here and there? Sorry, I forgot about that.
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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:57 am 
 

HellHog wrote:
Basically, your friend says blast beats only exist in black metal, as well as a little shredding here and there? Sorry, I forgot about that.


Basically he said because the song had blast beats and distorted riffs and the like it made it "classic raw black metal".

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Moog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:08 pm 
 

Nah, vikings can't be black metal.

Unless you're Quorthon.

Amon do make some nice death metal, though!
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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:19 pm 
 

They certainly do. :)

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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:23 pm 
 

Moog wrote:
Nah, vikings can't be black metal.

Unless you're Quorthon.


Or Enslaved. Or Windir.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:38 pm 
 

Noo, that is death metal. Very good song

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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:51 pm 
 

Mulu wrote:
Noo, that is death metal. Very good song


Yep a good song, that's definate.

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The_Beast_in_Black
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:08 pm 
 

Well, aside from tremelo riffs and some higher pitched shrieks here and there, Amon Amarth have nothing to suggest black metal about them.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:11 pm 
 

Amon Amarth's early style is akin to A Canorous Quintet, who also played in a style of thin production, tremolo riffs, and high pitched screams / roaring growls. I made comparisons in my reviews, but they're both still genuinely death metal with some black metal characteristics.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:15 pm 
 

The_Beast_in_Black wrote:
Well, aside from tremelo riffs and some higher pitched shrieks here and there, Amon Amarth have nothing to suggest black metal about them.


OzzyApu wrote:
Amon Amarth's early style is akin to A Canorous Quintet, who also played in a style of thin production, tremolo riffs, and high pitched screams / roaring growls. I made comparisons in my reviews, but they're both still genuinely death metal with some black metal characteristics.


Yeah, they do admittedly have some black metal characteristics, but certainly cannot be classed as black metal.

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Razakel
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:23 pm 
 

The production is really raw on that demo and there's some blasting so I could see how it could be mistaken for black metal, but no, it's definitely death metal.

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SHUTUPANDDIE
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:56 pm 
 

Amon Amarth doing anything bm? Nah. Though when I first heard them, I kind of made that mistake too (in 01 or so) just because I wasn't really familiar with seperating sounds/qualifications of genres. Just tell him he's a noob, I'm sure that will go down well.

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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:18 pm 
 

SHUTUPANDDIE wrote:
Amon Amarth doing anything bm? Nah. Though when I first heard them, I kind of made that mistake too (in 01 or so) just because I wasn't really familiar with seperating sounds/qualifications of genres. Just tell him he's a noob, I'm sure that will go down well.


He'll call me a poser who knows fuck all about black metal again. :p

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:34 pm 
 

invoking_the_majesty wrote:
He'll call me a poser who knows fuck all about black metal again. :p


Tell him while wearing corpse paint.

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Moog
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:38 pm 
 

ngwoo wrote:
invoking_the_majesty wrote:
He'll call me a poser who knows fuck all about black metal again. :p


Tell him while wearing corpse paint.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:02 am 
 

ngwoo wrote:
invoking_the_majesty wrote:
He'll call me a poser who knows fuck all about black metal again. :p


Tell him while wearing corpse paint.


Hahahaha!

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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:15 am 
 

ngwoo wrote:
invoking_the_majesty wrote:
He'll call me a poser who knows fuck all about black metal again. :p


Tell him while wearing corpse paint.


:lol:

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Nyaricus
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:05 pm 
 

Amon Amarth certainly feature a few black metal aspects, especially in their earlier material (listen to "The Arrival of the Fimbul Winter" and tell that that isn't at least melodic black/death metal) but once they began to release full length albums, they basically started playing melodeath with tremolo riffs - still slightly black metal inspired, but definitely not black metal proper. Johan can also get some pretty raspy black metal-esqe vocals going on, especially in their earlier full-lengths, but by no means does this constitute AA as being black metal.

As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:15 pm 
 

Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.




That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.

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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:58 pm 
 

MeltedFace wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.




That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.


That's exactly what it was. It just wasn't up to their usual very high standard like that of Versus The World.

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Nyaricus
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:27 pm 
 

MeltedFace wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.

That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.

I guess I forgot to add the addendum that it's more of a tremolo picked Gothenburg style than tremolo picked melodic death metal, if that would help clarify my stance on their newest release better?

And I did enjoy the release, but I've been really getting into AA's back catalog, and FUCK does Versus the World SLAY, even more than when I was first getting into this band a good 2 1/2 years ago!
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3EyedGoat
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:03 am 
 

I just file 'em under Viking Metal myself. Great band!

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Moog
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:17 am 
 

3EyedGoat wrote:
I just file 'em under Viking Metal myself. Great band!
Their lyrical themes are geared towards vikings and whatnot, but they're not true viking metal. Bathory and Amon Amarth are highly different things. I'd keep them under the death metal category.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:00 am 
 

invoking_the_majesty wrote:
MeltedFace wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.




That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.


That's exactly what it was. It just wasn't up to their usual very high standard like that of Versus The World.


What? That album sucked.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:06 am 
 

I usually just classify them under "fucking awesome"
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invoking_the_majesty
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:22 am 
 

Empyreal wrote:
invoking_the_majesty wrote:
MeltedFace wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.




That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.


That's exactly what it was. It just wasn't up to their usual very high standard like that of Versus The World.


What? That album sucked.


Personally, I liked that album. But music taste is subjective. It doesn't intrinsically suck.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:29 am 
 

Obviously it's subjective, but by me saying it sucked, it only meant I thought it sucked. I shouldn't even have to say that. It should be obvious.

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invoking_the_majesty wrote:
Empyreal wrote:
invoking_the_majesty wrote:
MeltedFace wrote:
Nyaricus wrote:
As an aside, TotTG is probably the furthest away from the main sound of their career, as they seemed to really embrace that distinct Gothenburg style as opposed to tremolo-picked melodic death metal. I am expecting them to likely move further down that path on their next album.




That's weird, I just sampled TotTG to see what you were talking about and nearly every chorus is a tremolo-picked riff. Verses were pretty simple and slow riffs interspersed with gallops. This is all vintage Amon Amarth. I think that TotTG might have just been a victim of inconsistency.


That's exactly what it was. It just wasn't up to their usual very high standard like that of Versus The World.


What? That album sucked.


Personally, I liked that album. But music taste is subjective. It doesn't intrinsically suck.


I actually preferd TOTTG to Versus the World myself. But I don't think either of them suck.
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