Only Cannibal Corpse album I can really enjoy is Eaten Back to Life. I like the thrashy riffs they got on that album.

A month later, you point out something that people already jumped on him for? He may as well have just said "I'm a fucking moron, everybody disregard me", and it would be a better world if people did.

It always pisses me off when people say Cannibal Corpse is a horrible representation of the Death Metal genre.

And yes I've heard that plenty of times

I fucking love Dying Fetus. Ever since Jason and Sparky left, they are not as good, but still great. Destroy the Opposition is a masterpeice. KILL YOUR MOTHER, RAPE YOUR FUCKING DOG!.

Cannibal Corpse is a good band. I like their earlier stuff better, with Barnes. First album is awesome, Gallery of Suicide is cool too. Their other stuff is good. Some is a bit boring, but they have some really great shit too.

I love them both hugely.

Dying Fetus has always been one of my biggest dm idols. They absolutely slay live. I love ALL their studio albums (including the mostly harshly under-rated Stop at Nothing). My strongest favourites are Purification Through Violence, Killing on Adrenaline and Destroy the Opposition, though I like the other discs a whole lot, as well. I have the fondest love for Fetus's early line-up; when Sparky, Talley and Netherton were all in the band.

Cannibal Corpse were one of my first true gateways into brutal-dm; how could they be not? CC are rightly acknowledged as a pioneering legend. I still strongly prefer the Barnes-era and the first four fabulous albums (Butchered at Birth, arguably being my usual favourite). EBTL, Tomb and The Bleeding are outright classics, on my card. Chris Barnes was always a dm vocal idol of mine and my favourite CC member. After his exit, CC basically and quickly became a vastly different band in terms of actual sound and style of playing, though never in their unabashed, uncompromising brutality, overall. I'm aware of all the criticisms of CC's supposed 'bland' samey-samey sounding records and other jibes at their death metal style. I don't really see it that way, though I admit to not loving ALL their albums as I do Dying Fetus's stuff. Of the Fisher-ere's seven albums, the ones I mostly dig are Vile, Bloodthirst and Gore Obsessed. Despite not being exactly groundbreaking or markedly different from the past few discs, I actually like Evisceration Plague a lot. It's a substantive, impressive effort and certainly better than KILL and The Wretched Spawn, (both of which btw, were decent discs, on their own). EP might take 2-3 listens to fully appreciate the subtle differences and specialties it has to offer.

Overall, both long-standing heavy-hitting legends in DM, and I'm a committed fan of both bands.

That's because they ARE. We have genius and talented acts like Nile, Behemoth, Suffocation, Atheist, Hate Eternal, Death, Pestilence etc. but for some reason Cannibal Corpse gets the most praise and fame though they're just about the most generic shit ridden death metal band on earth. Without the shock value this band is absolutely nothing, and even then there's plenty of bands with equal or superior shock value that started before or around the same times as CC (Carcass anyone?). Only the 3 first albums from them are worth a thing because of their cool and catchy thrash oriented riffs.

So yeah the hate towards Cannibal Corpse is perfectly understandable though I don't see why people would bash Dying Fetus...they're a decent band to me.

Cannibal Corpse are generic, yes, do you even know what that means? Do you even realize what you're saying?

Probably not. He read that somewhere so it's his opinion now.

Yes I know what generic means and I know exactly what I'm talking about. How come?

CC are generic, which means they sound like a Death Metal band. How does that make them a horrible representation of the genre? Face it, the most popular bands are ALWAYS the ones who are more simple or whatever.

Well you got me there but I'd still never use them as an example of death metal...unless I was talking to some non-metalhead or a complete newb who has never even heard of the death metal genre, let alone any death metal bands.

What I meant with calling CC generic is that they bring absolutely nothing special to the table and sound pretty much like every other modern death metal band. There's plenty of bands I'd call a decent DM representation over CC...actually I'd put just about any death metal band in existence above CC.

Always hated Dying Fetus and never really got into Cannibal Corpse, except the song "Stripped, Raped, and Strangled." Both bands just had no appeal to me, but I guess its mostly because I take more melody in my music over the raw brutality of both bands.

I never used to have much interest in Cannibal Corpse, but then they released Kill and it proceeded to convert me. Still not fond of grumbly ol' Barnes, but their later material I really like.

Dying Fetus never used to interest me and they still don't. I absolutely love Misery Index, though. Discordia blew my mind and to this day I insist that it's a masterpiece.

What is it actually that makes Kill so special and gets everyone drool over it? I never got that shit...only thing that makes Kill anyhow different to its 4 predecessors is Erik Rutan's production and even then it's not THAT different to others.

Apart from upping the technicality and focusing more on songwriting than they ever have, thus writing a more memorable and more technical album that pleases most everybody as well as giving themselves a nice jolt in the arm that gave them a fresh outlook and kept them from stagnating, making it one of the best things they've ever done, nothing.

It's rare I hear people hating Cannibal Corpse for a good reason. They'll be the first to admit that their timing and shock value was perfect, but they didn't make it to the top and stay there just by being gross. Believe it or not, metal fans are picky and will stop supporting a band that makes shitty music*. They didn't become the most popular death metal band by accident.

*Okay, the existence and prevalence of deathcore does disprove that statement, but old school fans of old school styles don't take kindly to fucking with a formula that works. Look at what happened to Cryptopsy.

Well, I just fucking love it as an album. It's got brutal riffs, visceral vocals and so much energy it could power a small African village for a few weeks. If Make Them Suffer doesn't make you want to headbutt posers, then you're beyond hope.

This is the same reasoning I always get...everyone thinks Kill is like "THE MOST SUPER FAST BRUTAL AND TECHNICAL SHIT EVAAHH!! YO MAN THIS SHIT RULEZ!" but I can't fucking listen to this record and honestly say there's anything one wouldn't find from Gallery Of Suicide, Bloodthirst, Gore Obsessed or Wretched Spawn.

Eaten Back To Life and Tomb Of The Mutilated beat this shit any day. Even Butchered At Birth and The Bleeding are better.


Well I believe that the shock value is what got them popular in the first place and they stayed there simply for carrying the reputation they had gained in the past. Mainstream bands are always good at hooking up the stupidest fans who will buy anything those bands put out and Cannibal Corpse makes no exception.
That and CC always manage to get their catchiest and most listenable songs popular, whether by music videos or otherwise. One funny thing I've noticed about them is that their popular tracks always have something that I either like or think is decent (Festering In The Crypt, Sentenced To Burn) but the rest of the songs in their albums are for some reason bound to be far from anything remotely catchy or memorable and simply bore me to death half way before they're over.

I would be very appreciative if you could point out where I said that. I said it pleased both both kinds of fans and was the best thing they had done because THEY pushed THEIR limits. It just so happened that everybody liked it because it isn't overly technical nor too groovy, it's a great mix.



Yeah, except you are completely missing my point. Cannibal has remained extremely consistent throughout the years, with each variation never being drastic enough to change their general style. Therefore, people who liked the music in the early days are generally going to still like them today while they continually garner new fans. The shock value helped get them exposure, but they would have died out like almost everything that gets notoriety thanks to controversy if they didn't have the music and dedication to back it up(ever heard of 2 Live Crew after the whole Me So Horny deal?).

And the entire fucking point of a music video is to promote your band, of course you'll want the song to be accessible so that way more people will hear it and enjoy it. Mainstream success is far from the most important thing in heavy metal, but Cannibal Corpse got it without compromising and managed to keep it for nearly 20 fucking years. Hell, if anything most of their music videos contain filler tracks. I'll take Purification by Fire or Frantic Disembowelment over Death Walking Terror or Decency Defied any day.

In other words, you don't like them, fine, but at least understand why they are where they are. I don't like The Beatles, but I'd be retarded if I didn't acknowledge everything they did for rock music. You don't like Cannibal Corpse, but you're be retarded for implying that they have no right to what they have.

I never said YOU had said that. I said that's basically what everyone tells me.
I still don't see why everyone would love it so much because as I've stated before I see little to no difference between Kill and the 4 records before it. Groovy? Technical? This is exactly the same shit they've always done.


I disagree. A lot. Their old albums were not only different to each other but VERY different to any of their later stuff. Guitars went through a drastic change when Bob Rusay was fired and Rob Barret replaced him. They also changed a little when Pat O'Brien replaced Rob Barret causing them to go from old school death metal to completely modern death metal. Since then however they've remained more consistent than any band should.
People may find something appealing in their music but I certainly don't.


Yeah but usually when bands make music videos they have many other good songs on their albums as well, often actually better than the one(s) they chose to promote. That's not the case with Cannibal Corpse though.
Their best post-1994 song (Festering In The Crypt) is on video but their most generic and boring tunes aren't (should I actually mention couple? I'd sit here all day...)
If Cannibal Corpse hadn't compromised to get popular then they'd still write about necrophilia and insanity like in the good ol' Barnes days. Instead they say "Make Them Suffer" or "I Will Kill You"...you can't fucking convince me that this is just as brutal or disgusting as anything off Tomb Of the Mutilated.


I do respect them for what they've done to influence death metal and fuck knows how I've TRIED to like them...but this band is just unlistenable! (I know that one was bit off topic but I really can't emphasize enough on it.)
Do they have the right to get respect for their contribution? Yes absolutely. But do they deserve fuckloads of praise and credit over bands like Possessed, Necrophagia, Suffocation, Pestilence and (even) Death etc. who have done so much more and are anyway more original and interesting musically? Absolutely not.

Please don't try to have another argument here, Porno. We all saw what happened with the grindcore discussion and now you're trying to tackle with BastardHead, who is one of the best reviewers here (even if I think he was too hard on Primordial).

I take it you've never listened to their Bloodthirst album. It's more technical than Kill is. Catchier, too.

His review for SFU's Commandment was atrocious. Other than that his reviews are ok but only ok.
But yeah I'll end this discussion now since it's obviously going nowhere

I hate my SFU review. I only wrote it because my friends kept on swearing that I should because it would be funny. I hate that album and I hate Chris Barnes post Butchered at Birth, but my review is awful.

Yeah, it's going nowhere so we can just agree to disagree.

And thanks for the words about my reviews Beast... didn't expect to get those out of arguing over Cannibal Corpse.


Also, Bloodthirst is in a tight race with Kill and The Wretched Spawn as my favorite of the Corpsegrinder era.

What about Cannibal Corpse vs Destroyer 666?

Have you tried SFU's better albums like Haunted, Maximum Violence and the new album Death Rituals? Especially the latter one was a very pleasant surprise to me
You don't dig Tomb Of The Mutilated?


Haha that line is a classic! And you're right there too.

I didn't like what I'd heard of Death Rituals, so I'm just assuming that I won't like anything else and haven't bothered with their earlier albums.

Tomb of the Mutilated is probably my favorite Barnes era record (although I also have a hard on for Eaten Back to Life), that's just the album where I think his voice started to go to shit.

As the others have said, I think the hate towards CC comes from their popularity as an Extreme Metal band. But i think they are pretty good for a DM band. I personally like Corpsegrinder more than Barns (Barns is better in Six Feet Under).

And as for Dying Fetus, they are just your average DM band. I don't LOVE them or hate them, I like them, that's it.

BTW, to the dude who said CC is a Suffocation clone, Suffocation formed in 1989, CC in 1988. Get your facts strait.

What songs have you heard from Death Rituals? My favs from that one are Involuntary Movement Of Dead Flesh, None Will Escape, Eulogy For The Undead and Killed In Your Sleep.

You could give a shot for Haunted. It's quite different because there's Allen West on guitars. If you don't like any of these then you won't like Six Feet Under.

Hey Eaten Back to Life and Tomb Of The Mutilated are my favorite Barnes era CC records too! Butchered At Birth comes in third...sure Chris sounded really menacing on that record and some of the riffs were cool but overall it didn't have as great riffs as EBTL and TOTM...some riffs on Butchered actually sounded so stupid that I feel embarrassed just listening to them!
I thought Chris was at his all time best on Tomb Of The Mutilated. His gutturals were deep as fuck and the high screams sounded fucking awesome.

Dying Fetus, I don't care about. I don't have a positive or negative opinion on this band. As for Cannibal Corpse, they get much popularity and praise for coming out with the same shit endlessly.

If someone told me they listened to Cannibal Corpse, I probably wouldn't consider them a fan of death metal unless they started listing off other bands as well (Nile and Necrophagist doesn't count). On the other hand, if someone told me they were a fan of a band like Morbid Angel or Demilich, they'd have my outright respect.

Because being an early dm band who helped define the genre is not worthy of endless popularity? That alone is enough to me, their relevance may be questioned nowadays, but that doesn't undo their importance. Like any important band really.

So when someone listens to arguably the quintessential DM band, you don't consider them a fan? God that's ridiculous.

This whole thread is fucking ridiculous.

and the other threads are not?

face it, the internet is filled with nothing but useless, internet forum threads. lol

i hate cc with a passion, bland, uninspired death metal. gives dm a bad name.
i love dying fetus however, especially their slams.

Praise where praise is due. *tips hat*

So you love slams and think CC gives death metal a bad name? Are you that SlammySam guy, back from the grave?

nope, but i take it he was some shit-talker

He was a troll who acted all ghetto and talked about loving slam a whole lot.

Anywho, Cannibal Corpse are a really fun band and slam death is basically what happens when brutal death takes a trip to Shittytown.

Devourment is the only slam band to do it right, everything else is just one slam the entire album.

The earlier Cannibal Corpse material is meh. Inoffensive but I simply just can't get into it. Just a matter of personal taste, I guess. The more recent Corpsegrinder stuff, on the other hand, is downright catchy, straightforward death metal that I enjoy.

Dying Fetus, on the other hand, are just not my thing at all. I can't deal with the pig vocals, even on the earlier material that has much better riffing. I hadn't bothered with the newer stuff until just now. I watched the video for "Homicidal Retribution"; how can anyone listen to this shit? The drums dominate everything with that horrible triggered double bass sound and the riffs are that generic "look-at-me-I'm technical-but-you'd-be-fucked-if-you-can-remember-me-even-five-seconds-later" kind of thing. They would be ten times better if they took the microphone away from the bald gentleman, twenty times better if they could write decent riffs. But, let me guess, this song is nowhere near representative of their newer sound, right?