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bananaphone
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:45 pm 
 
If suomi means Finnish or Finland, isn't Suomi Finland redundant?

Finnish speakers please help, the internet has failed me on this one.
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Shallow
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:48 pm 
 
Finnish Finland Damn?
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bananaphone
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:52 pm 
 
Exactly the problem I'm running into. Surely they knew their own language's grammar, right?
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Shallow
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:56 pm 
 
They would.. I'm guessing it might just be some parody. Their grammar is way different from anything latin/germanic based (it's similar to mongolian/korean for example).

But Finnish Finland Damn? Cmon, can't be that fucked.
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MaDTransilvanian
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:00 pm 
 
Shallow wrote:
They would.. I'm guessing it might just be some parody. Their grammar is way different from anything latin/germanic based (it's similar to mongolian/korean for example).

But Finnish Finland Damn? Cmon, can't be that fucked.


Not Mongolian/Korean...Finnish may be a Uralic language, but that's still miles away from anything coming from Northeast Asia.
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EntilZha
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:01 pm 
 
I think "Suomi Finland" is simply the official international name for the country, hence the "SF" on the car stickers/EU-plates.
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_Aargh
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:31 pm 
 
EntilZha wrote:
I think "Suomi Finland" is simply the official international name for the country, hence the "SF" on the car stickers/EU-plates.

That's the correct answer.
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MushroomStamp
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:43 pm 
 
Shallow wrote:
Finnish Finland Damn?


Where'd you get the "damn" part from? That's like translating FUUUUUCK as "oh my". Perkele is what a husband screams after a bottle of vodka when he's slaughtering his entire family.
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bananaphone
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:55 pm 
 
So then it just translates to "Finnish devil"?
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MushroomStamp
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:08 pm 
 
I actually wouldn't translate it directly at all. It's more of a war-chant or an expression of national pride, or whatever. In fact, this would be best explained by the band members themselves.
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awm
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:09 pm 
 
I've inquired about this before myself. The literal translation of it is Finland Finland (curse word), but the literal meaning is useless to you. It's sort of a nationalistic chant that could conceivably be used by soldiers, or at Impaled Nazarene shows.
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awm
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:11 pm 
 
Where Uralic languages are spoken, BTW.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... people.png
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Razakel
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:44 pm 
 
Amorphis have a song called Perkele (The God of Fire)...Hmmm...
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awm
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:47 pm 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkele
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Pestbesmittad
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:43 am 
 
The word Perkele can also be used in other ways than to denote Satan. I see the title of the album as a hail to Finland, so I'd translate it as "Suomi Finland, fuck yeah!".
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PsyMoN_MDA
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:25 am 
 
bananaphone wrote:
If suomi means Finnish or Finland
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Valgrinder
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:25 am 
 
MushroomStamp wrote:
I actually wouldn't translate it directly at all. It's more of a war-chant or an expression of national pride, or whatever. In fact, this would be best explained by the band members themselves.


Thats true. Its more like a warcry, like a "Hakkaa päälle!" or "uraa!". "Perkele" is strong word and should be shouted loud as possible. So it fits perfectly to scare the enemy in battle.

It is also old and very traditional finnish word, meaning devil. But nowadays its used as "damn" or "fuck" or whatever.
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Marras
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:44 am 
 
Valgrinder wrote:
It is also old and very traditional finnish word, meaning devil.


No. It's original meaning was something like supreme god, a different name for Ukko Ylijumala, literaly Old Man Supreme God. When christians came to Finland they just told people that their old gods were really false and they have been worshipping the devil, thus making Perkele a name for Satan.
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Valgrinder
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:00 am 
 
Marras wrote:
Valgrinder wrote:
It is also old and very traditional finnish word, meaning devil.


No. It's original meaning was something like supreme god, a different name for Ukko Ylijumala, literaly Old Man Supreme God. When christians came to Finland they just told people that their old gods were really false and they have been worshipping the devil, thus making Perkele a name for Satan.


Thats one theory. Here's another;
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Vielä 1 500-luvulla Ukko oli niin vahva jumala, että kristillinen kirkko ei rohjennut yhdistää sitä Saatanaan. Sen sijaan Perkeleen kohtaloksi koitui tämä samaistaminen. Perkeleen on täytynyt siis olla jonkinlainen jumalhahmo, jonka funktio on voinut olla jo hämärtynyt. Kansa muisti vain, että sen nimeä pelättiin. Ei ole mielestäni mahdotonta, etteikö Perkele olisi jo pakanuuden aikoina voinut tarkoittaa jonkinlaista "pahaa", todennäköisesti siis kuolemaan liittyvää hahmoa. Esimerkiksi Siperian uralilaisilta kansoilta tavataan alisen maailman ja kuoleman jumala, nenetseillä Nga. Tällainen hahmo olisi mahdollisesti voinut olla myös muinaisilla suomalaisilla, ja Perkele-nimitys olisi voitu yhdistää siihen sen jälkeen, kun Ilma(mo)-sanue syrjäytti sen ukkosenjumaluutena.

http://www.pakana.info/Ukko.html
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